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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 18:13:38 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 18:13:38 GMT
Did Mr.Pulis, Mr.Kemp or Mr.Coates kidnap him against his will? The club would have let him know where he stood and what was to be expected of him. He didn't deliver and is now playing on Saudi Arabia. To suggest that's Pulis' fault is an absolute joke and typifies the anti-Pulis agenda that this board is current spouting. Brilliant use of the family's money. Send your mate out to America for a year because he's got a bird out there, buy a player on his say so to justify the year out, employ another assistant manager to fill the gap, make no effort to help the player integrate. I'm more on an anti-waste agenda rather than an anti-Pulis agenda. I support Stoke City rather than Tony Pulis - you seem happy he spunked millions on a player and was able to fuck off to Bournemouth. So in getting the club to the premier league gravy train after 25 years of exile do you not think that Mr.Pulis made the family an awful lot of money in the process? Possibly more than the £4m outlay on Diego? Bad signings happen, both Mr.Pulis and Mr.Hughes have made them in their career.
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Post by rawli on Sept 7, 2015 18:17:24 GMT
Brilliant use of the family's money. Send your mate out to America for a year because he's got a bird out there, buy a player on his say so to justify the year out, employ another assistant manager to fill the gap, make no effort to help the player integrate. I'm more on an anti-waste agenda rather than an anti-Pulis agenda. I support Stoke City rather than Tony Pulis - you seem happy he spunked millions on a player and was able to fuck off to Bournemouth. So in getting the club to the premier league gravy train after 25 years of exile do you not think that Mr.Pulis made the family an awful lot of money in the process? Possibly more than the £4m outlay on Diego? Bad signings happen, both Mr.Pulis and Mr.Hughes have made them in their career. The family obviously felt differently otherwise Tony would still be here.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 18:21:59 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 18:21:59 GMT
So in getting the club to the premier league gravy train after 25 years of exile do you not think that Mr.Pulis made the family an awful lot of money in the process? Possibly more than the £4m outlay on Diego? Bad signings happen, both Mr.Pulis and Mr.Hughes have made them in their career. The family obviously felt differently otherwise Tony would still be here. Pulis left four years after Arismendi came! He went because ticket sales were dropping and the football was becoming stale. I think the high regard Coates holds Pulis in is testament to the long term job he did here.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 7, 2015 18:37:40 GMT
Thats pretty shocking I hope we are handling things a bit better now. I'm not saying it's wrong but take things you read on this site with a pinch of salt. I don't think you could class that as a particularly balanced view. If the bloke was so desperate to make a success of himself then I don't understand why he'd have been evicted from his flat for hosting wild late night parties. It was just bad scouting and a bad signing. Shit happens. This was referring to Smajl Suljevic and I'm inclined to believe Smajl's version of events. As for Arismendi god knows what happened the lad seemed to have some talent but we only saw it in glimpses whose fault that was god knows.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 18:41:53 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 18:41:53 GMT
I'm not saying it's wrong but take things you read on this site with a pinch of salt. I don't think you could class that as a particularly balanced view. If the bloke was so desperate to make a success of himself then I don't understand why he'd have been evicted from his flat for hosting wild late night parties. It was just bad scouting and a bad signing. Shit happens. This was referring to Smajl Suljevic and I'm inclined to believe Smajl's version of events. As for Arismendi god knows what happened the lad seemed to have some talent but we only saw it in glimpses whose fault that was god knows. Ahh yes that great household name Suljevic. Another superstar Pulis let slip through the net. The swine!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 7, 2015 18:45:01 GMT
This was referring to Smajl Suljevic and I'm inclined to believe Smajl's version of events. As for Arismendi god knows what happened the lad seemed to have some talent but we only saw it in glimpses whose fault that was god knows. Ahh yes that great household name Suljevic. Another superstar Pulis let slip through the net. The swine! To be fair the lad is only 21 who knows if he will be yet. 1.3 million for a player who was 17/18 at the time sounds like somebody saw something. Defend Tone all you want but his youth record speaks for itself.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 18:50:22 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 18:50:22 GMT
Ahh yes that great household name Suljevic. Another superstar Pulis let slip through the net. The swine! To be fair the lad is only 21 who knows if he will be yet. 1.3 million for a player who was 17/18 at the time sounds like somebody saw something. Defend Tone all you want but his youth record speaks for itself. As does his success with the club, discounting the style of football which is up for debate on a regular basis on this board. Would I take top flight football an FA Cup final and European football over the development of kids? Too right I would
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 7, 2015 18:57:14 GMT
To be fair the lad is only 21 who knows if he will be yet. 1.3 million for a player who was 17/18 at the time sounds like somebody saw something. Defend Tone all you want but his youth record speaks for itself. As does his success with the club, discounting the style of football which is up for debate on a regular basis on this board. Would I take top flight football an FA Cup final and European football over the development of kids? Too right I would Shouldn't he in the capacity as manager of the club do both? I don't buy for one minute that he didn't have time to watch the kids train because he was too busy plotting FA cup runs and European football. The fact that he had no intention of filling the bench at Valencia even with kids to some how prove a point again speaks volumes. I'm not knocking what he did for the club in terms of success what I'm knocking is his view towards youth football. In my view he should be able to do both. Whilst Hughes has shown a bit more interest in this area he still has some way to go as well.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 19:03:25 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 19:03:25 GMT
As does his success with the club, discounting the style of football which is up for debate on a regular basis on this board. Would I take top flight football an FA Cup final and European football over the development of kids? Too right I would Shouldn't he in the capacity as manager of the club do both? I don't buy for one minute that he didn't have time to watch the kids train because he was too busy plotting FA cup runs and European football. The fact that he had no intention of filling the bench at Valencia even with kids to some how prove a point again speaks volumes. I'm not knocking what he did for the club in terms of success what I'm knocking is his view towards youth football. In my view he should be able to do both. Whilst Hughes has shown a bit more interest in this area he still has some way to go as well. Fair and reasonable point, I'm glad you've acknowledged that Hughes hasn't fared much differently bar giving Shenton a few minutes here and there. For me, given the state of the club when Pulis first turned up compared to the state of it when he left im prepared to overlook youth development and the odd costly transfer bollock like Diego and Palacios. This board may not be so forgiving but the good terms Pulis and Coates left on are a good indication of the money Pulis made and the growth we enjoyed.
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Post by rawli on Sept 7, 2015 19:05:01 GMT
The family obviously felt differently otherwise Tony would still be here. Pulis left four years after Arismendi came! He went because ticket sales were dropping and the football was becoming stale. I think the high regard Coates holds Pulis in is testament to the long term job he did here. Yes - his transfer record and his liking for expensive players with no resale value didn't come into it.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 19:23:15 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 19:23:15 GMT
Pulis left four years after Arismendi came! He went because ticket sales were dropping and the football was becoming stale. I think the high regard Coates holds Pulis in is testament to the long term job he did here. Yes - his transfer record and his liking for expensive players with no resale value didn't come into it. Begovic Shawcross Huth N'Zonzi Cameron Wilson Fuller Delap Higginbotham Whelan Akinbyi Taggart Crossley Etherington... What a transfer disaster he really was eh?
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Post by rawli on Sept 7, 2015 20:15:59 GMT
Yes - his transfer record and his liking for expensive players with no resale value didn't come into it. Begovic Shawcross Huth N'Zonzi Cameron Wilson Fuller Delap Higginbotham Whelan Akinbyi Taggart Crossley Etherington... What a transfer disaster he really was eh? [/quote} I didn't say he was a disaster - far from it. However, his strategy of generally buying high and selling low (Begovic and N'Zonzi being notable exceptions) wasn't sustainable and wasn't liked by his employers. Hence his departure. Bottom line was it wasn't his money to blow and for all his protestations of being careful and only looking for players with the right DNA the people who's money it was got fed up with it. You really only have to look at the current manager to see that better results could be achieved for a lot less cash.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 20:21:36 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 20:21:36 GMT
Begovic Shawcross Huth N'Zonzi Cameron Wilson Fuller Delap Higginbotham Whelan Akinbyi Taggart Crossley Etherington... What a transfer disaster he really was eh? I didn't say he was a disaster - far from it. However, his strategy of generally buying high and selling low (Begovic and N'Zonzi being notable exceptions) wasn't sustainable and wasn't liked by his employers. Hence his departure. Bottom line was it wasn't his money to blow and for all his protestations of being careful and only looking for players with the right DNA the people who's money it was got fed up with it. You really only have to look at the current manager to see that better results could be achieved for a lot less cash. It wasn't sustainable but it served us very well for a considerable amount of time. The club Pulis joined in 2002 is not one that would have attracted Mark Hughes.
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Post by rawli on Sept 7, 2015 20:29:22 GMT
I didn't say he was a disaster - far from it. However, his strategy of generally buying high and selling low (Begovic and N'Zonzi being notable exceptions) wasn't sustainable and wasn't liked by his employers. Hence his departure. Bottom line was it wasn't his money to blow and for all his protestations of being careful and only looking for players with the right DNA the people who's money it was got fed up with it. You really only have to look at the current manager to see that better results could be achieved for a lot less cash. It wasn't sustainable but it served us very well for a considerable amount of time. The club Pulis joined in 2002 is not one that would have attracted Mark Hughes. Agree. Fed up with any criticism of Tony being 'anti-Pulis'. He had his faults but we wouldn't be where we are without him.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 7, 2015 21:47:44 GMT
Sacked three times for the same thing. Must be some kind of record.
And didn't TP have the last word on transfers?
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