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Arismendi
Sept 5, 2015 11:18:26 GMT
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Post by potterblade on Sept 5, 2015 11:18:26 GMT
My brother worked in the Golden Lion in castle and Arismendi went in one time during his first season. All by himself in one of the dodgiest boozers in town. A few stoke fans recognised him but couldn't get a word of English out of him. Sad story really he was a lonely lad.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 5, 2015 15:14:30 GMT
Arismende was poorly managed at Stoke, he had no understanding of English at the time of his signing, and non of the squad could liaise with him. He quickly become homesick and lonely, resulting in him reaching out to people to make friends by having parties at his apartment. It was kemp who scouted the player, and although he was a talent what the old style of recruitment failed to do was make sure the player could fit into the squad. The likes of Cartwright and Cruickshank not only find players of the right talent, but of the right mind and social outlook so a smooth transition is made. Note the use of the current squad to speak and influence the players we are recruiting. An absolute scandal and the club should be ashamed of itself.
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Post by luke2u on Sept 5, 2015 16:16:32 GMT
Arismende was poorly managed at Stoke, he had no understanding of English at the time of his signing, and non of the squad could liaise with him. He quickly become homesick and lonely, resulting in him reaching out to people to make friends by having parties at his apartment. It was kemp who scouted the player, and although he was a talent what the old style of recruitment failed to do was make sure the player could fit into the squad. The likes of Cartwright and Cruickshank not only find players of the right talent, but of the right mind and social outlook so a smooth transition is made. Note the use of the current squad to speak and influence the players we are recruiting. An absolute scandal and the club should be ashamed of itself. I really hope we're doing the right thing with all these foreign talents we're bringing into our U21 team now. Also with the younger ones, like Verlinden, as I'm not sure we've done that in the past. Speaking English does of course help, but was it the Swedish talent Smajl Suljevic who also left because he didn't feel he was taken care of while being here?
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Post by rawli on Sept 5, 2015 16:54:14 GMT
I'm sure 'the family' Were impressed with how carefully their money was spent. We got good value funding Kemp's sabbatical in America.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 21:29:33 GMT
It was the most unpulislike of transfers, clearly done to serve some agenda.
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Post by stokeyouth on Sept 6, 2015 22:02:32 GMT
An absolute scandal and the club should be ashamed of itself. I really hope we're doing the right thing with all these foreign talents we're bringing into our U21 team now. Also with the younger ones, like Verlinden, as I'm not sure we've done that in the past. Speaking English does of course help, but was it the Swedish talent Smajl Suljevic who also left because he didn't feel he was taken care of while being here? I still speak to smajl occasionally.. His whole stoke experience was a massive pile of horseshit. He was suppose to join 6months earlier but pulis forgot and the deadline passed for his intentional papers so he had to wait til January and pulis even left it late then. When he got here he was told there'd be no chance of making it in the first team and even though at the time he became the 8th(I think) most expensive player in the clubs history, the manager didn't even watch him once play or train. He ignored his requests to the point that less than a year later he went back to his old club for nothing. 1.3m down the drain and smajl had only negative things to say about pulis an the system at te time, as did others in that era. As much as I loved tp for what he did he gave zero shits about the youngster
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 6, 2015 22:14:13 GMT
Without wishing to start another shit slinging slanging match, in my eyes Arismendi was a signing made by Peter Coates, in order to try and drill the point home that we need to start exploring the foreign market, but with Pulis being the stubborn twat he is he was never going to play him in case Coatesy turned out to be right and it made his strategy of only shopping domestically look a bit daft. I'd even go as far to say that if Arismendi was still on our books at the time Hughes took over, he'd have gradually earned himself a crack at the first team and we'd be sitting here today with the mindset of "Well we've lost N'Zonzi, but we still have Arismendi". As has been pointed out, you don't get into the Uruguayan national team if you're a shit player. I wouldn't worry about starting another shit slinging match, the majority on here now realise Pulis is a wanker. Onwards and upwards
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Arismendi
Sept 6, 2015 22:15:11 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 22:15:11 GMT
Anything for another dig at the last regime by some usual suspects. He's gone to play in fucking Saudi Arabia not La Liga.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 6, 2015 22:17:23 GMT
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 1:03:47 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Sept 7, 2015 1:03:47 GMT
Always did a job for me in Football Manager ...
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 7, 2015 4:22:27 GMT
Anything for another dig at the last regime by some usual suspects. He's gone to play in fucking Saudi Arabia not La Liga. He could of gone play on the moon, it still does not detract from how he was poorly managed during his time at Stoke, just because you think the sun shines out of Pulis's arse does not mean what other are saying is incorrect or in anyway a slur on Pulis himself. It's just fact and the faster people realise everything bad said against the old regime is not based in agendas and purely based on what was happening the better. I am sure things that Hughes is doing now will come out in the future as bad or showing bad management, only time will tell
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 6:02:44 GMT
I know we've got one now (Hughes' son?) but it highlights the real need for a liaison officer at clubs where foreign markets are being used, especially markets outside the normal European markets.
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Post by greenhoff74 on Sept 7, 2015 7:03:07 GMT
Arismende was poorly managed at Stoke, he had no understanding of English at the time of his signing, and non of the squad could liaise with him. He quickly become homesick and lonely, resulting in him reaching out to people to make friends by having parties at his apartment. It was kemp who scouted the player, and although he was a talent what the old style of recruitment failed to do was make sure the player could fit into the squad. The likes of Cartwright and Cruickshank not only find players of the right talent, but of the right mind and social outlook so a smooth transition is made. Note the use of the current squad to speak and influence the players we are recruiting. I saw a TV feature about Everton and the foreign players, they employed a former bank manager as a liaison guy, he was there to look after all their needs or problems, be their friend basically, they looked like they knew what they were doing.
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 7, 2015 7:47:15 GMT
I know we've got one now (Hughes' son?) but it highlights the real need for a liaison officer at clubs where foreign markets are being used, especially markets outside the normal European markets. Yes Curtis is our Liason officer, but nothing beats having players that can speak the language and incorporate new players into squad
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 10:25:01 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 10:25:01 GMT
Anything for another dig at the last regime by some usual suspects. He's gone to play in fucking Saudi Arabia not La Liga. He could of gone play on the moon, it still does not detract from how he was poorly managed during his time at Stoke, just because you think the sun shines out of Pulis's arse does not mean what other are saying is incorrect or in anyway a slur on Pulis himself. It's just fact and the faster people realise everything bad said against the old regime is not based in agendas and purely based on what was happening the better. I am sure things that Hughes is doing now will come out in the future as bad or showing bad management, only time will tell I don't think the sun shines out of Pulis' arse, I'm happier with Hughes. Pulls deserves a lot more respect than he gets on this board and to use Diego Arismendi who's playing in Saudi Arabia as another chance to have a pop at his regime is laughable.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 7, 2015 11:23:54 GMT
He could of gone play on the moon, it still does not detract from how he was poorly managed during his time at Stoke, just because you think the sun shines out of Pulis's arse does not mean what other are saying is incorrect or in anyway a slur on Pulis himself. It's just fact and the faster people realise everything bad said against the old regime is not based in agendas and purely based on what was happening the better. I am sure things that Hughes is doing now will come out in the future as bad or showing bad management, only time will tell I don't think the sun shines out of Pulis' arse, I'm happier with Hughes. Pulls deserves a lot more respect than he gets on this board and to use Diego Arismendi who's playing in Saudi Arabia as another chance to have a pop at his regime is laughable. So just because he is now playing for some obscure club in bongo bongo land it was OK for the CLUB to treat him poorly when he was with us? Strange logic. Not a great way to get the best out of your £4million investment is it?
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 7, 2015 11:34:50 GMT
He could of gone play on the moon, it still does not detract from how he was poorly managed during his time at Stoke, just because you think the sun shines out of Pulis's arse does not mean what other are saying is incorrect or in anyway a slur on Pulis himself. It's just fact and the faster people realise everything bad said against the old regime is not based in agendas and purely based on what was happening the better. I am sure things that Hughes is doing now will come out in the future as bad or showing bad management, only time will tell I don't think the sun shines out of Pulis' arse, I'm happier with Hughes. Pulls deserves a lot more respect than he gets on this board and to use Diego Arismendi who's playing in Saudi Arabia as another chance to have a pop at his regime is laughable. What do you want me say, pulis treated him has his long lost brother and took him home to fuck his wife. He treated Arismendi like he did every other player that was not part of his plan, like a nobody
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 12:02:35 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 12:02:35 GMT
I don't think the sun shines out of Pulis' arse, I'm happier with Hughes. Pulls deserves a lot more respect than he gets on this board and to use Diego Arismendi who's playing in Saudi Arabia as another chance to have a pop at his regime is laughable. So just because he is now playing for some obscure club in bongo bongo land it was OK for the CLUB to treat him poorly when he was with us? Strange logic. Not a great way to get the best out of your £4million investment is it? I don't think hosting wild parties and getting evicted from his flat in Castle helped his cause too much. You stick the boot in at every single opportunity you get. Let it go you'll feel better for it.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 12:03:22 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 12:03:22 GMT
I don't think the sun shines out of Pulis' arse, I'm happier with Hughes. Pulls deserves a lot more respect than he gets on this board and to use Diego Arismendi who's playing in Saudi Arabia as another chance to have a pop at his regime is laughable. What do you want me say, pulis treated him has his long lost brother and took him home to fuck his wife. He treated Arismendi like he did every other player that was not part of his plan, like a nobody Pogba speaks really highly of Fergie and he's actually turned out to be a good player. Has Tex fucked Hughes' wife yet?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 7, 2015 12:05:06 GMT
The player himself takes a bit of responsibility as well surely?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 14:03:23 GMT
The player himself takes a bit of responsibility as well surely? Everybody involved has to take some responsibility, but the onus has got to be on the club to make a youngster that far from home feel welcome. There've been a number of instances over the years where players seem to have been brought to the club to suit an agenda, either by Pulis or by frustrated owners. Arismendi appears to fit the bill of a player that was never going to be used - young, foreign and not previously seen on MOTD. It appeared to be an unlikely Pulis signing at the time, and in most cases, those unlikely signings rarely saw the light of day under his reign. I never saw him play, but his international credentials suggested he had/has decent ability. I know your view has always been that he didn't pull up any trees while he was away from the club on loan, but I suspect by then he just wanted to go home. Who knows? I'm sure if we signed him now, we'd be able to make more use of him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 7, 2015 14:18:58 GMT
The player himself takes a bit of responsibility as well surely? Everybody involved has to take some responsibility, but the onus has got to be on the club to make a youngster that far from home feel welcome. There've been a number of instances over the years where players seem to have been brought to the club to suit an agenda, either by Pulis or by frustrated owners. Arismendi appears to fit the bill of a player that was never going to be used - young, foreign and not previously seen on MOTD. It appeared to be an unlikely Pulis signing at the time, and in most cases, those unlikely signings rarely saw the light of day under his reign. I never saw him play, but his international credentials suggested he had/has decent ability. I know your view has always been that he didn't pull up any trees while he was away from the club on loan, but I suspect by then he just wanted to go home. Who knows? I'm sure if we signed him now, we'd be able to make more use of him. The onus has to be on both, surely? His international credentials were a couple of caps for a Uruguay side that needed a play-off to scrape into a World Cup they eventually finished fourth in. I'd say it was pretty inconclusive as barometers go. He didn't pull up any trees in three separate loan spells. Whatever the reason, he didn't do a lot. The fact that he's now playing in a footballing backwater suggests we haven't missed out on much either. It always looked a very strange signing I agree, and it certainly sounds like we could've done more to help him settle in, but he doesn't seem to have helped himself much either. It's a sad story but in pure football terms I don't think there's much to suggest we've missed out especially.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 14:37:34 GMT
Everybody involved has to take some responsibility, but the onus has got to be on the club to make a youngster that far from home feel welcome. There've been a number of instances over the years where players seem to have been brought to the club to suit an agenda, either by Pulis or by frustrated owners. Arismendi appears to fit the bill of a player that was never going to be used - young, foreign and not previously seen on MOTD. It appeared to be an unlikely Pulis signing at the time, and in most cases, those unlikely signings rarely saw the light of day under his reign. I never saw him play, but his international credentials suggested he had/has decent ability. I know your view has always been that he didn't pull up any trees while he was away from the club on loan, but I suspect by then he just wanted to go home. Who knows? I'm sure if we signed him now, we'd be able to make more use of him. The onus has to be on both, surely? His international credentials were a couple of caps for a Uruguay side that needed a play-off to scrape into a World Cup they eventually finished fourth in. I'd say it was pretty inconclusive as barometers go. He didn't pull up any trees in three separate loan spells. Whatever the reason, he didn't do a lot. The fact that he's now playing in a footballing backwater suggests we haven't missed out on much either. It always looked a very strange signing I agree, and it certainly sounds like we could've done more to help him settle in, but he doesn't seem to have helped himself much either. It's a sad story but in pure football terms I don't think there's much to suggest we've missed out especially. The late night parties suggest he didn't help himself, but surely if a multi-million pound business are going to bring a young lad half the way around the world then they should have something in place to help smooth the transition for him. Maybe they did. I suspect they didn't. He earned decent money for doing very little while he was here, but sometimes careers can be made or broken by this type of move, and I don't think we did Mr Arismendi many favours in bringing him here.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 14:50:26 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 14:50:26 GMT
The onus has to be on both, surely? His international credentials were a couple of caps for a Uruguay side that needed a play-off to scrape into a World Cup they eventually finished fourth in. I'd say it was pretty inconclusive as barometers go. He didn't pull up any trees in three separate loan spells. Whatever the reason, he didn't do a lot. The fact that he's now playing in a footballing backwater suggests we haven't missed out on much either. It always looked a very strange signing I agree, and it certainly sounds like we could've done more to help him settle in, but he doesn't seem to have helped himself much either. It's a sad story but in pure football terms I don't think there's much to suggest we've missed out especially. The late night parties suggest he didn't help himself, but surely if a multi-million pound business are going to bring a young lad half the way around the world then they should have something in place to help smooth the transition for him. Maybe they did. I suspect they didn't. He earned decent money for doing very little while he was here, but sometimes careers can be made or broken by this type of move, and I don't think we did Mr Arismendi many favours in bringing him here. Did Mr.Pulis, Mr.Kemp or Mr.Coates kidnap him against his will? The club would have let him know where he stood and what was to be expected of him. He didn't deliver and is now playing on Saudi Arabia. To suggest that's Pulis' fault is an absolute joke and typifies the anti-Pulis agenda that this board is current spouting.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 7, 2015 14:53:37 GMT
The late night parties suggest he didn't help himself, but surely if a multi-million pound business are going to bring a young lad half the way around the world then they should have something in place to help smooth the transition for him. Maybe they did. I suspect they didn't. He earned decent money for doing very little while he was here, but sometimes careers can be made or broken by this type of move, and I don't think we did Mr Arismendi many favours in bringing him here. Did Mr.Pulis, Mr.Kemp or Mr.Coates kidnap him against his will? The club would have let him know where he stood and what was to be expected of him. He didn't deliver and is now playing on Saudi Arabia. To suggest that's Pulis' fault is an absolute joke and typifies the anti-Pulis agenda that this board is current spouting. Well it's no joke to Tony Pulis - it helped him lose his job. Fancy being sacked three times for the same thing.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 15:42:14 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 15:42:14 GMT
Did Mr.Pulis, Mr.Kemp or Mr.Coates kidnap him against his will? The club would have let him know where he stood and what was to be expected of him. He didn't deliver and is now playing on Saudi Arabia. To suggest that's Pulis' fault is an absolute joke and typifies the anti-Pulis agenda that this board is current spouting. Well it's no joke to Tony Pulis - it helped him lose his job. Fancy being sacked three times for the same thing. Well he's got a nice place in sandbanks and keeps finding a whole host of employers in the top 2 divisions so I'm sure he's not losing sleep.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 7, 2015 16:44:17 GMT
Well it's no joke to Tony Pulis - it helped him lose his job. Fancy being sacked three times for the same thing. Well he's got a nice place in sandbanks and keeps finding a whole host of employers in the top 2 divisions so I'm sure he's not losing sleep. Think he was a tad upset mate, hence the dossier. Must have had some sleepless nights compiling that masterpiece.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 7, 2015 17:58:46 GMT
I really hope we're doing the right thing with all these foreign talents we're bringing into our U21 team now. Also with the younger ones, like Verlinden, as I'm not sure we've done that in the past. Speaking English does of course help, but was it the Swedish talent Smajl Suljevic who also left because he didn't feel he was taken care of while being here? I still speak to smajl occasionally.. His whole stoke experience was a massive pile of horseshit. He was suppose to join 6months earlier but pulis forgot and the deadline passed for his intentional papers so he had to wait til January and pulis even left it late then. When he got here he was told there'd be no chance of making it in the first team and even though at the time he became the 8th(I think) most expensive player in the clubs history, the manager didn't even watch him once play or train. He ignored his requests to the point that less than a year later he went back to his old club for nothing. 1.3m down the drain and smajl had only negative things to say about pulis an the system at te time, as did others in that era. As much as I loved tp for what he did he gave zero shits about the youngster Thats pretty shocking I hope we are handling things a bit better now.
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Arismendi
Sept 7, 2015 18:03:28 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 7, 2015 18:03:28 GMT
I still speak to smajl occasionally.. His whole stoke experience was a massive pile of horseshit. He was suppose to join 6months earlier but pulis forgot and the deadline passed for his intentional papers so he had to wait til January and pulis even left it late then. When he got here he was told there'd be no chance of making it in the first team and even though at the time he became the 8th(I think) most expensive player in the clubs history, the manager didn't even watch him once play or train. He ignored his requests to the point that less than a year later he went back to his old club for nothing. 1.3m down the drain and smajl had only negative things to say about pulis an the system at te time, as did others in that era. As much as I loved tp for what he did he gave zero shits about the youngster Thats pretty shocking I hope we are handling things a bit better now. I'm not saying it's wrong but take things you read on this site with a pinch of salt. I don't think you could class that as a particularly balanced view. If the bloke was so desperate to make a success of himself then I don't understand why he'd have been evicted from his flat for hosting wild late night parties. It was just bad scouting and a bad signing. Shit happens.
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Post by rawli on Sept 7, 2015 18:06:50 GMT
The late night parties suggest he didn't help himself, but surely if a multi-million pound business are going to bring a young lad half the way around the world then they should have something in place to help smooth the transition for him. Maybe they did. I suspect they didn't. He earned decent money for doing very little while he was here, but sometimes careers can be made or broken by this type of move, and I don't think we did Mr Arismendi many favours in bringing him here. Did Mr.Pulis, Mr.Kemp or Mr.Coates kidnap him against his will? The club would have let him know where he stood and what was to be expected of him. He didn't deliver and is now playing on Saudi Arabia. To suggest that's Pulis' fault is an absolute joke and typifies the anti-Pulis agenda that this board is current spouting. Brilliant use of the family's money. Send your mate out to America for a year because he's got a bird out there, buy a player on his say so to justify the year out, employ another assistant manager to fill the gap, make no effort to help the player integrate. I'm more on an anti-waste agenda rather than an anti-Pulis agenda. I support Stoke City rather than Tony Pulis - you seem happy he spunked millions on a player and was able to fuck off to Bournemouth.
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