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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Sept 6, 2015 13:08:57 GMT
I will be there..god I hope we beat them
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 6, 2015 13:28:01 GMT
No protest on ticket prices will work unless games, on any selected weekend, are played in front of empty stadiums.
It will never ever happen though because for such a protest to work, it will require both home and away supporters to miss the fixture on the selected weekend.
Only if stadiums are empty will any protest have impact.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 13:31:12 GMT
No protest on ticket prices will work unless games, on any selected weekend, are played in front of empty stadiums. It will never ever happen though because for such a protest to work, it will require both home and away supporters to miss the fixture on the selected weekend. Only if stadiums are empty will any protest have impact. And with a team like us that just wouldn't work at a home game. My season ticket is ridiculously good value.
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Post by mrred on Sept 6, 2015 13:35:37 GMT
It would be marvellous if Stoke fans would refeain from making the trip and indeed, paying the money. An empty away end would make a massive statement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 9:03:34 GMT
It would be marvellous if Stoke fans would refeain from making the trip and indeed, paying the money. An empty away end would make a massive statement. I agree, but we'd boycott Villa at £41 a ticket but take more to Man Utd later in the season at £49 or whatever it is they charge nowadays.I'd like to see a national boycott of away games on a specific date, yes you'd get your die hards that will go no matter what, but all PL away ends a fifth full on Match of the Day would send out a clear message.
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Post by ladyinred on Sept 7, 2015 9:20:31 GMT
It would be marvellous if Stoke fans would refeain from making the trip and indeed, paying the money. An empty away end would make a massive statement. I agree, but we'd boycott Villa at £41 a ticket but take more to Man Utd later in the season at £49 or whatever it is they charge nowadays.I'd like to see a national boycott of away games on a specific date, yes you'd get your die hards that will go no matter what, but all PL away ends a fifth full on Match of the Day would send out a clear message. Unfortunately, getting away tickets as a fan of a lot of the 'bigger' clubs in the league is extremely difficult, due to large demand and loyalty point systems etc. If the regulars boycott, a) they are jeopardising there 'place in the queue' for future games, and b) there will always be someone else desperate for a ticket, so the boycott would have no effect. Re: Aston Villa - the Away section is in the side where the cameras are - so no-one will even notice an half empty away section.
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Post by mrred on Sept 7, 2015 9:22:00 GMT
Yup, that's also a great idea. Football as a community has shown that it can come together as a unit. I think this is more than a worthy cause. It' create far more national attention than if just one club did it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 9:35:58 GMT
I agree, but we'd boycott Villa at £41 a ticket but take more to Man Utd later in the season at £49 or whatever it is they charge nowadays.I'd like to see a national boycott of away games on a specific date, yes you'd get your die hards that will go no matter what, but all PL away ends a fifth full on Match of the Day would send out a clear message. Unfortunately, getting away tickets as a fan of a lot of the 'bigger' clubs in the league is extremely difficult, due to large demand and loyalty point systems etc. If the regulars boycott, a) they are jeopardising there 'place in the queue' for future games, and b) there will always be someone else desperate for a ticket, so the boycott would have no effect. Re: Aston Villa - the Away section is in the side where the cameras are - so no-one will even notice an half empty away section. As sad as it is, yes I agree. I remember Liverpool fans wanting to boycott Hull away last year but then this would jeopardise their chances of getting tickets for Stoke away and Gerrard's last game. As you say, if the 'regular' fans don't show up a mob of tourists from all corners of the world will, its absolutely pathetic. As much as I love the PL and how far we've come, I sometimes wish I was stood on a terrace in league two watching home grown players earning a real wage, but you've got to take the pantomime that comes with the PL I suppose.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Sept 8, 2015 21:40:09 GMT
I think stoke ought to charge the away fans the same as they would charge us
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Sept 9, 2015 3:09:27 GMT
The Villa fans have now been in direct contact with me - so if you would like to get involved with this ( and I really hope some stokies do) please email tickets@fsf.org.uk I think it's a great idea to get both sets of fans together in support of reasonable ticket prices. The only way to get something done is to shame the bastards into submission & this is the only way to do it without fans missing the game that they love. If that doesn't work, tear out the seats & get your 41 quids worth in repairs...............just joking..............or am I?
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Post by silverluka on Sept 9, 2015 8:20:51 GMT
The ironic thing about the vast amounts of money the premier league clubs receive does nothing to improve the England team. Neither does it produce better English players than it did decades ago.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 9, 2015 19:09:56 GMT
The ironic thing about the vast amounts of money the premier league clubs receive does nothing to improve the England team. Neither does it produce better English players than it did decades ago. It is indeed ironic because those of you who are old enough to remember when the FA set up the PL in 1992 ( and created a monster over which it has long since lost control), may recall that one of the main justifications was to help the England team. At the official dinner before last night's game, Greg Dyke gave the latest figures of number of english qualified players starting and in squads in PL this season ,which shows yet another drop even from last season's all-time low
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Post by werrington on Sept 9, 2015 19:43:27 GMT
I think stoke ought to charge the away fans the same as they would charge us Why ?.......it's not the fault of the fans
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Sept 30, 2015 13:53:30 GMT
a minutes silence during the game at 20 minutes would beat anything else This would be fantastic if supported by both teams - especially so if televised!
I really can't see banners making any difference whatsoever but nonetheless good luck with the protest.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 30, 2015 15:06:10 GMT
There is banner of Stoke fans against high prices ( can't remember the exact wording) and a Villa one and we will meet to display them together outside the ground before the game. I will post further details when known but obviously the more stokies there, the better - motivated by the £41 charged for this game. Villa have banned the banners from being displayed inside the ground
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 30, 2015 16:40:16 GMT
There is banner of Stoke fans against high prices ( can't remember the exact wording) and a Villa one and we will meet to display them together outside the ground before the game. I will post further details when known but obviously the more stokies there, the better - motivated by the £41 charged for this game. Villa have banned the banners from being displayed inside the ground Malcolm, whilst it's a noble cause you are fighting, unless you can seriously hit clubs where it hurts in their pockets nothing will change. A total boycot of games where terraces are empty over a few weekends would make sky etc think about televising of games without any noise or atmosphere. As I said in a previous post it's futile expecting clubs to allow banners in grounds on this subject. It just ain't going to happen. The greed of clubs holds no bounds IMO. You can't even listen to games on radio without paying something for the privilege unless we are lucky enough to be on R5L or talksport. The BBC local radio sold out to their respective city clubs for live coverage years ago. This include DAB on the Internet.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 30, 2015 16:44:59 GMT
There is banner of Stoke fans against high prices ( can't remember the exact wording) and a Villa one and we will meet to display them together outside the ground before the game. I will post further details when known but obviously the more stokies there, the better - motivated by the £41 charged for this game. Villa have banned the banners from being displayed inside the ground All of which kind of begs the question of "what really is the point"? I genuinely believe that something needs to be done about ticket prices but banners that aren't even allowed inside the ground aren't going to have any impact whatsoever. The only thing that will hit home is if two weeks worth of fixtures (so fans of each club boycott both a home and away fixture) are boycotted and played in front of empty stadiums. Very little else will have any impact at all. Even just away fans boycotting won't work because for the most part, the cameras inside the stadium don't even pan on away support because they are tucked so far out of the way. Good luck to those who participate but a few banners isn't going to achieve anything in my opinion. At the end of the day football is like nothing else. I object to the prices that we have to pay but I still go. Villa is a rip off. A complete rip off but me and my 7 year old will still be there cheering on the lads.
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Post by heisenberg88 on Sept 30, 2015 18:22:00 GMT
How can it be a protest when you've turned up paid your money and entered the ground?
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2015 18:23:55 GMT
How can it be a protest when you've turned up paid your money and entered the ground? Pisser, fair point mate.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 1, 2015 5:58:18 GMT
How can it be a protest when you've turned up paid your money and entered the ground? Exactly I've just organised my own boycott. It was quite straightforward really. I'm going to a non=league game that will cost me £4 to get in. The only thing you can say is that it is getting some coverage www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34398908It will take a bit more than that though.
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Post by jarhead on Oct 1, 2015 6:59:17 GMT
Why can't we or any club for that matter strike a deal which we have done with Newcastle and set the price at £20 a pop, brilliant that is.
Both away ends will be full on each fixture and I bet villa could of given us more tickets at £20 each because they don't sell out.
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Post by jarhead on Oct 1, 2015 7:00:56 GMT
Imagine v villa having around 3,500 stokies supporting the lads because of sensible pricing.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 1, 2015 11:05:52 GMT
I think stoke ought to charge the away fans the same as they would charge us Yes if it's the kind of reduced price reciprocal deal with now have with Newcastle. But No if it's just in revenge for what they charge us because that just punishes other football fans who have no control over the prices fixed and creates a divide and rule mentality among fans. Much better that we all work together to influence the whole game.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 1, 2015 11:17:19 GMT
How can it be a protest when you've turned up paid your money and entered the ground? Exactly I've just organised my own boycott. It was quite straightforward really. I'm going to a non=league game that will cost me £4 to get in. The only thing you can say is that it is getting some coverage www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34398908It will take a bit more than that though. Exactly. That's the point which has been missed by some fellow posters. It has already received publicity in a number of national newspapers as well as this coverage by the Beeb. Yesterday I did a TV interview for ITV Midlands which will no doubt pop up on your screens sometime in the next couple of days. There will no doubt be more to follow before the matches at the weekend. If the FSF just issued a press release on high prices - as we have done many times before - it wouldn't get anything like as much coverage, if any at all. This weekend is the merseyside derby and the fact that Spirit of Shankly and the Blue Union are organising a joint protest has received considerable favourable publicity. It's all about campaigning strategy. And it IS beginning to work. Fully understandable decision on your part, spitthedog, and I hope you enjoy the non-league game
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 1, 2015 11:23:40 GMT
How can it be a protest when you've turned up paid your money and entered the ground? Pisser, fair point mate. Nothing at all inconsistent about protesting but also going to the game. I can protest about, say, high rail fares but it doesn't mean it's inconsistent to take the train to London. Or high beer prices without becoming teetotal. It's our club and our team. I can quite consistently support them whilst still protesting at the price charged by the home club.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 11:34:58 GMT
Malcolm,
Have you tried getting in touch with Adrian Durham about some airtime on his drive time show?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 1, 2015 11:37:36 GMT
There is banner of Stoke fans against high prices ( can't remember the exact wording) and a Villa one and we will meet to display them together outside the ground before the game. I will post further details when known but obviously the more stokies there, the better - motivated by the £41 charged for this game. Villa have banned the banners from being displayed inside the ground All of which kind of begs the question of "what really is the point"? I genuinely believe that something needs to be done about ticket prices but banners that aren't even allowed inside the ground aren't going to have any impact whatsoever. The only thing that will hit home is if two weeks worth of fixtures (so fans of each club boycott both a home and away fixture) are boycotted and played in front of empty stadiums. Very little else will have any impact at all. Even just away fans boycotting won't work because for the most part, the cameras inside the stadium don't even pan on away support because they are tucked so far out of the way. Good luck to those who participate but a few banners isn't going to achieve anything in my opinion. At the end of the day football is like nothing else. I object to the prices that we have to pay but I still go. Villa is a rip off. A complete rip off but me and my 7 year old will still be there cheering on the lads. I don't agree. A major part of the point is publicity as I have just explained above in a response to spitthedog. There is undoubtedly far more interest in this topic in the media than there was a couple of years ago, which I believe is the result of the campaigns which we have run. And I think it is having some effect. There are far more reciprocal deals at lower price levels than there used to be. We have just got one with Newcastle. The FSF estimates that these deals have saved fans in excess of £0.5m . The away fans initiative agreed by the PL, which is used to pay for our free transport, is another example. We think it's not enough, not well audited and spent on silly things by some clubs ( e.g free scarves by Hull City) but it's progress and has been used to directly reduce tickets prices. Now of course it's nowhere near enough so far, and it's difficult to say just how much, if any, of this would have happened without the national campaigns.Personally, I think very little. I suppose I'm a glass half full guy, and I believe you can achieve change through organised and publicised campaigning, otherwise I wouldn't spend time on it. progress is slow and hard, it's true, but I'm not prepared to sit back and let them continue to fleece us when they have got money coming out of their ears due to media rights which are, of course, dependent on having fans inside the ground.
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Post by Martin53 on Oct 1, 2015 13:19:25 GMT
In Germany, they had the 12:12 protest against various security measures that were being bought in (on the 12th of December if you're wondering where the name come from). For three weekends in a row, every stadium in the top leagues were silent for 12 minutes and 12 seconds. It was going to go for a fourth week until the authorities offered to talk. Union Berlin did a silent 15 minutes at the start of their match against Red Bull Leipzig, over the fact that a drinks company took over a non-league club and spent billions to get them into the Bundesliga.
Could we do something similar, having 20 minutes of silence at the start of every match over a weekend? I know it would be difficult staying quiet that long but it would be really effective.
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Post by Martin53 on Oct 1, 2015 13:28:26 GMT
Can we get a banner together for the Newcastle game, thanking our two clubs for the reciprocal deal and shaming all the others?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 1, 2015 13:49:01 GMT
In Germany, they had the 12:12 protest against various security measures that were being bought in (on the 12th of December if you're wondering where the name come from). For three weekends in a row, every stadium in the top leagues were silent for 12 minutes and 12 seconds. It was going to go for a fourth week until the authorities offered to talk. Union Berlin did a silent 15 minutes at the start of their match against Red Bull Leipzig, over the fact that a drinks company took over a non-league club and spent billions to get them into the Bundesliga. Could we do something similar, having 20 minutes of silence at the start of every match over a weekend? I know it would be difficult staying quiet that long but it would be really effective. Those protests were extraordinary. I saw a clip ( I think it may have been the Union Berlin one) where the home team scored - and still the crowd remained silent. Very effective. I'd like to think that something like that could be pulled off in this country but I'm far from sure it would.
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