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Post by Skankmonkey on Aug 30, 2015 8:43:45 GMT
Why do you say the "hugely insignificant shaq"? He provided a great cross for Diouf's goal at Norwich and looked threatening yesterday with some great movement and a good attempt on goal. What is your thinking Biscuit? He's probably thinking about todays bait.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 8:49:21 GMT
Why do you say the "hugely insignificant shaq"? He provided a great cross for Diouf's goal at Norwich and looked threatening yesterday with some great movement and a good attempt on goal. What is your thinking Biscuit? He's probably thinking about todays bait. True
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2015 9:01:39 GMT
Benjamin can be picked on all you like but four games in and we haven't won a game, haven't deserved to win a game and haven't kept a clean sheet.
We'll be alright and are a bit of work in progress but lets not kid ourselves that there aren't some very serious problems with the team at the minute and we seemingly have no intention of rectifying them in the next 48 hours.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 30, 2015 9:03:33 GMT
My thinking is I never felt he was in either game to any great degree , first touch was heavy on occasions and just hasn't settled yet when he does we wil see just how good he is or isn't for now he has made no improvement on last year .
Overall we have had by far our worst start Ever In the premier league and it's a terrible terrible league to play catch up .
Already we we 8 points begind last season based on the Same fixtures and assuming we won't win at Man city or Everton already have to pick up 14 Points we didn't last year to stay still . For me as I said before a ball was kicked I'd take 42 after the window we had and that's proving very realistic and challenging now already
We have underinvested and done so I a lopsided way and it Coiled with injuries we knew about is killing us lest we forget our start is now the same as sunderlands and Newcstles and we haven't played any of the top top teams yet . Palace have been the exemplary model this summer balance of rententiion and Addition of quality
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 30, 2015 9:05:37 GMT
@jackbutland_One: everyone showed great desire to play proper football on the deck and still create chances, positives to take and our luck will turn! #SCFC
Jack is right. Momo - I honestly don't see what the serious problems are. Yesterday only the niaivity & indiscipline of two players cost us. I thought we showed immense spirit & in the second half only one team was trying to take the game. I think we will be more than ok.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 9:10:29 GMT
My thinking is I never felt he was in either game to any great degree , first touch was heavy on occasions and just hasn't settled yet when he does we wil see just how good he is or isn't for now he has made no improvement on last year . Overall we have had by far our worst start Ever In the premier league and it's a terrible terrible league to play catch up . Already we we 8 points begind last season based on the Same fixtures and assuming we won't win at Man city or Everton already have to pick up 14 Points we didn't last year to stay still . For me as I said before a ball was kicked I'd take 42 after the window we had and that's proving very realistic and challenging now already We have underinvested and done so I a lopsided way and it Coiled with injuries we knew about is killing us lest we forget our start is now the same as sunderlands and Newcstles and we haven't played any of the top top teams yet . Palace have been the exemplary model this summer balance of rententiion and Addition of quality Go support Palace then you cretin. I'm enbarassed to be associated with 'fans' like yourself.
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Post by roostershair on Aug 30, 2015 9:31:35 GMT
My thinking is I never felt he was in either game to any great degree , first touch was heavy on occasions and just hasn't settled yet when he does we wil see just how good he is or isn't for now he has made no improvement on last year . Overall we have had by far our worst start Ever In the premier league and it's a terrible terrible league to play catch up . Already we we 8 points begind last season based on the Same fixtures and assuming we won't win at Man city or Everton already have to pick up 14 Points we didn't last year to stay still . For me as I said before a ball was kicked I'd take 42 after the window we had and that's proving very realistic and challenging now already We have underinvested and done so I a lopsided way and it Coiled with injuries we knew about is killing us lest we forget our start is now the same as sunderlands and Newcstles and we haven't played any of the top top teams yet . Palace have been the exemplary model this summer balance of rententiion and Addition of quality Have you ever kissed a girl? Go stick your head in a food blender you tit!! Oh, make sure you switch the fucking thing on
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Post by alexscfc17 on Aug 30, 2015 9:42:27 GMT
the only game im worry about the performance of the team is against norwich and it was not that bad anyway
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Post by metalhead on Aug 30, 2015 9:44:18 GMT
With 11 we were hammering them.
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 30, 2015 9:47:08 GMT
Only one team effectively didnt try win that game yesterday and it wasnt us, im fuming with the sending offs both with players and officials but pleased with the performance the 9 put in. On a side note its not possible for anyone to give lambert motm over glenn who dragged his team through the shit yesterday
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Post by stantheman on Aug 30, 2015 9:48:09 GMT
The brutal truth is that TP has pulled our pants down on the last 3 occasions we've faced him and taken all 9 points off us. Until we find a way of playing against his style of play, and keeping our players on the pitch, it will be another 3 points to him on 02-01-16
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 30, 2015 9:48:12 GMT
With 11 we were hammering them. At the end we were with 9
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Post by markfitdt on Aug 30, 2015 9:53:02 GMT
Benjamin can be picked on all you like but four games in and we haven't won a game, haven't deserved to win a game and haven't kept a clean sheet. We'll be alright and are a bit of work in progress but lets not kid ourselves that there aren't some very serious problems with the team at the minute and we seemingly have no intention of rectifying them in the next 48 hours. Constructive criticism is perfectly fine but that isn't what biscuit offers. When you have finally translated what he has actually typed its the same old regurgitated crap.
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Post by LDE76 on Aug 30, 2015 9:58:54 GMT
Is that where rvd went before people begged you to come back? I wondered if it was the same place Stokelad84 went when his true love got sacked. Then I remembered I was thinking of the West Brom messageboard. As the well-known phrase goes, there are morons, there are contemptible morons, and there are people who retweet Chris Smalling's stats from a game against the team at the bottom of the league as part of some pathetic, snide dig at Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Aug 30, 2015 10:00:27 GMT
Benjamin can be picked on all you like but four games in and we haven't won a game, haven't deserved to win a game and haven't kept a clean sheet. We'll be alright and are a bit of work in progress but lets not kid ourselves that there aren't some very serious problems with the team at the minute and we seemingly have no intention of rectifying them in the next 48 hours. Your's is a post containing some considered critiscism which is delivered in a reasonable manner that could generate, or further a degree of positive debate about the subject. Benji's relentless droning "I told you so" negativism just get's peoples backs up from the off, polarises opinion and so stifles any meaningful debate. All that results is a slanging match. Any useful nuggets of reason get lost in the ensuing flak, piss and wind. He gives me indigestion.
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Post by miggo on Aug 30, 2015 10:00:45 GMT
2 points behind Chelsea, 3 points of 8th. Another embarrassing thread.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Aug 30, 2015 10:08:22 GMT
Is that where rvd went before people begged you to come back? I wondered if it was the same place Stokelad84 went when his true love got sacked. Then I remembered I was thinking of the West Brom messageboard. First I'd heard of this stokelad thing today on another thread. I used to think the 'supporting the manager and not the club' line was hysteria amidst the arguing but to actually see a so called stoke supporter buttering up to baggies fans and supporting pulis just beggars belief to me. Horrifying behaviour. It really is.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Aug 30, 2015 10:10:04 GMT
... having said that, we are on page 5 of a debate so I guess Benjis posts do have some sort of cathartic type impact!
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2015 10:10:22 GMT
I wondered if it was the same place Stokelad84 went when his true love got sacked. Then I remembered I was thinking of the West Brom messageboard. First I'd heard of this stokelad thing today on another thread. I used to think the 'supporting the manager and not the club' line was hysteria amidst the arguing but to actually see a so called stoke supporter buttering up to baggies fans and supporting pulis just beggars belief to me. Horrifying behaviour. It really is. The depressing thing is that he's not the only one.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 30, 2015 10:11:08 GMT
What's subjective about Worst ever start 8 points less than the same fixtures last year No clean sheets If we beat Leicester and Bournemouth we will have 8 from 7! If we don't we will be behind the required run in rate
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 30, 2015 10:23:51 GMT
Very negative thread and I don't think we have looked like a team that will be in relegation trouble this season BUT having said that I am worried! This international break then Arsenal away doesn't help either, maybe we can pull off a Man City type victory!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 30, 2015 10:23:55 GMT
I like biscuits 8 points behind last season comment because comparing results on a game by game basis is something that I tend to do as well.
With Norwich taking the place of hull (east coast) Bournemouth taking the place of Burnley (both been managed by Eddie Howe) and Watford taking the place of qpr (closest geographically) I am sad enough to track results, as a barometer of what can be achieved in the season, in the way benji is doing.
On that basis, our next 3 fixtures are all games we lost last season so a little run of results should see that 8 points recovered.
There is no doubt in my mind that we'd have won and won comfortably 11 v 11 and we remained the better side even with 9 men.
We aren't without our problems, of course, and for me we still need another winger and I'd go all out to get lescott to add some experience to our defence.
We do look like we will develop into a very good side in my opinion and biscuits predictions of impending doom will be proven wide of the mark, just like the exact same inane ramblings have been in the previous 2 seasons.
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Post by cymap on Aug 30, 2015 10:39:31 GMT
Its simple really , some of what Benjamin says is correct and Im sure some of what he says is born of frustration. This season once again we seem to be penny pinching when we know we need a centre back and we definitely need a replacement for nzonzi. Its a gamble that scfc seems to want to take with next seasons bug payoffs on the horizon. Time will tell and if youre not a gambler then this spendthrift attitude that we seem to have once again may look as if it will come to bite us on our arses. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 30, 2015 10:44:02 GMT
In medical terms our team went in for a spine transplant in which the spine was surgically removed and then not put back. The Surgeon gave us a fancy new arm, leg, put some lipstick on and stitched us back up. The fans jizzed at the look of our new body, but each time the team tries to stand up it crumples into a heap In all honesty we have serious problems all over the park and non of us know which way this is going to go at the moment - I am not quite as suicidal as the OP but have to admit to being worried even at this stage of the season. In fact was extremely worried before a ball was kicked this season and have not seen too much to alleviate my concerns so far
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Post by lennythegoose on Aug 30, 2015 11:00:07 GMT
I like biscuits 8 points behind last season comment because comparing results on a game by game basis is something that I tend to do as well. With Norwich taking the place of hull (east coast) Bournemouth taking the place of Burnley (both been managed by Eddie Howe) and Watford taking the place of qpr (closest geographically) I am sad enough to track results, as a barometer of what can be achieved in the season, in the way benji is doing. On that basis, our next 3 fixtures are all games we lost last season so a little run of results should see that 8 points recovered. There is no doubt in my mind that we'd have won and won comfortably 11 v 11 and we remained the better side even with 9 men. We aren't without our problems, of course, and for me we still need another winger and I'd go all out to get lescott to add some experience to our defence. We do look like we will develop into a very good side in my opinion and biscuits predictions of impending doom will be proven wide of the mark, just like the exact same inane ramblings have been in the previous 2 seasons. Personally, I am struggling with this like for like comparison on individual matches although I respect that it' is a barometer that you attach some value to. The Man City and Liverpool results were not the norm last season so surely we can't use those as a barometer of our progress for this season? We lost the first two home games of last season 1-0 so I don't see how this is 'by far' our worst start. I agree that the balance of the team is out and needs addressing. I would love Lescott here - an experienced PL central defender to play in central defence. We only have 1 of these in the squad and he's currently out for 3 months. If we had that stable, settled base at the back, then I'd be more relaxed about the attacking options gelling more swiftly. As it is, each department of the pitch is currently formative at best and therefore under pressure to gel more quickly than it should. This is somewhat worrying.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 30, 2015 11:07:29 GMT
Agree on lescott especially as we could move Cameron forward One . Actually thought van ginkel was better yesterday but we need more power in there and away
Whelan Cameron and van Ginkel would give us a chance of establishing a base .
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Post by trebor63 on Aug 30, 2015 11:11:31 GMT
Liverpool match - we deserved a draw in an average game. Spurs match - fantastic comeback and great spirit but only after they handed us the initiative (Kane subbed) Norwich match - equal first half but outplayed second half by a team that came up via the play offs Luton match - couldn't impose ourselves on a very poor team WBA match - one of the worst opponents we've ever played in the top flight but I can't recall a single save by their keeper. Spirited effort by nine but the first third of the match we didn't create a thing.
Barring a miracle at Arsenal the following two games (Leicester and Bournemouth) will define our entire season. IF we don't win either of these we are in serious trouble. I'm NOT panicking yet but already we are looking iffy and if we go seven games in (almost 20% of the season) and have four points we are in a scrap and will our new recruits be up for a scrap?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 30, 2015 11:13:42 GMT
I like biscuits 8 points behind last season comment because comparing results on a game by game basis is something that I tend to do as well. With Norwich taking the place of hull (east coast) Bournemouth taking the place of Burnley (both been managed by Eddie Howe) and Watford taking the place of qpr (closest geographically) I am sad enough to track results, as a barometer of what can be achieved in the season, in the way benji is doing. On that basis, our next 3 fixtures are all games we lost last season so a little run of results should see that 8 points recovered. There is no doubt in my mind that we'd have won and won comfortably 11 v 11 and we remained the better side even with 9 men. We aren't without our problems, of course, and for me we still need another winger and I'd go all out to get lescott to add some experience to our defence. We do look like we will develop into a very good side in my opinion and biscuits predictions of impending doom will be proven wide of the mark, just like the exact same inane ramblings have been in the previous 2 seasons. Personally, I am struggling with this like for like comparison on individual matches although I respect that it' is a barometer that you attach some value to. The Man City and Liverpool results were not the norm last season so surely we can't use those as a barometer of our progress for this season? We lost the first two home games of last season 1-0 so I don't see how this is 'by far' our worst start. I agree that the balance of the team is out and needs addressing. I would love Lescott here - an experienced PL central defender to play in central defence. We only have 1 of these in the squad and he's currently out for 3 months. If we had that stable, settled base at the back, then I'd be more relaxed about the attacking options gelling more swiftly. As it is, each department of the pitch is currently formative at best and therefore under pressure to gel more quickly than it should. This is somewhat worrying. Neither were home defeats to Leicester and Burnley a barometer last season. I've tended to find that this method of tracking points accumalation is a source of great comfort when things look a little bleak. Its particularly interesting in this case because benji slammed me for using this method last season. Now, its modus operendi for him. You couldn't make it up. The positive is that we have 3 games coming up that yielded zero points last season so come the end of those fixtures, I predict that we will be no more than 2 points behind last seasons run rate.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 30, 2015 11:14:41 GMT
Liverpool match - we deserved a draw in an average game. Spurs match - fantastic comeback and great spirit but only after they handed us the initiative (Kane subbed) Norwich match - equal first half but outplayed second half by a team that came up via the play offs Luton match - couldn't impose ourselves on a very poor team WBA match - one of the worst opponents we've ever played in the top flight but I can't recall a single save by their keeper. Spirited effort by nine but the first third of the match we didn't create a thing. Barring a miracle at Arsenal the following two games (Leicester and Bournemouth) will define our entire season. IF we don't win either of these we are in serious trouble. I'm NOT panicking yet but already we are looking iffy and if we go seven games in (almost 20% of the season) and have four points we are in a scrap and will our new recruits be up for a scrap? We created 4 chances in the opening 15 minutes yesterday!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 30, 2015 11:15:58 GMT
Common sense begininimg to prevail .
We can of course do something about it In the next 48 hours .we need Pace on the left and power and nous in the centre .
Moses is a no brainier for the left if we can get him and the centre is either s centre half of a central midfield presence
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