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Post by lastoftheldk on Aug 31, 2015 9:25:27 GMT
Adam should have done better, when dawson did that obscene diving leg wrap tackle, Adam should have collasped onto dawson, elbow first straight into the throat
oliver is a very niave shit ref as he couldn,t see what was going on from the first minute
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Post by roastcheese on Aug 31, 2015 9:27:18 GMT
Is it just me? Or are Charlie Adam and Hank Thunderman, the same person?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 31, 2015 9:30:51 GMT
I love Charlie but it's two weeks wages for me to Donna Louise .
Totally stupid and cost us dearly WBA the best team to play with 10 men as they can't pass but with 9 very tough .
Tony's pre match chat wind Adam and affeley up and it worked to a treat totally stupid
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 31, 2015 9:32:37 GMT
It wasnt a red at the time, having looked at is since it still isnt a red, and no doubt if i look back at it in the future it still wont be a red. Please evryone stop saying he stamped on the player, at worst he trod on him, and seeing as though the bloke was lying underneah him trying to hold onto charlies leg it is likely to happen. I actually hope he meant to do it because there was bo doubt west brom were trying naughty little tactics themselves, you only have to look at the push on afellay by dawson when the ball is as good as out of play. Nobody can say adam stamped on dawson as there was no stamping motion, only a foot naturally coming down to the ground, dawsons leg just happened to be there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:35:03 GMT
People's body parts just happen to be there a lot when Adam's studs are around.....
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Post by tonedepear on Aug 31, 2015 9:35:22 GMT
Yeah, I just like it when Stoke players are playing for m'Jocks. Even Bardsley, usually. I'm still upset about Dangerous Dave Rowson being wank. You want Bardsley playing? Invariably it's him or Hutton. So... umm... It's shite being Scottish.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:37:03 GMT
You want Bardsley playing? Invariably it's him or Hutton. So... umm... It's shite being Scottish.
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 31, 2015 9:40:39 GMT
People's body parts just happen to be there a lot when Adam's studs are around..... fancy that, football a game where players legs are going to come into contact with one another, theres a reason players where shinpads and not shoulder pads. I could understand this alot more if Adam had commited a serious of offences where by he'd nearly taken peoples heads off.
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 31, 2015 9:46:24 GMT
Ive lost count of the amount of times ive been stud on or stud on someone on a football pitch. Sometimes its accidental some times its done purposefully to wind up the opponent. The point being how can anyone other than the person commiting the foul know if it was intended or not. A stamp is very different as there is obviously very serious intent to hurt sombody. Players will get away with what Adam got done for this season and nothing will be made of it. Unfortunately his trial by media last time and an over zealous ref/lino contributed to what happened on saturday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:46:55 GMT
People's body parts just happen to be there a lot when Adam's studs are around..... fancy that, football a game where players legs are going to come into contact with one another, theres a reason players where shinpads and not shoulder pads. I could understand this alot more if Adam had commited a serious of offences where by he'd nearly taken peoples heads off. You mean the same Charlie Adam who has serious form stamping/treading on people deliberately? We cannot whinge about this. He asked a question of he officials, he got his answer. He can't moan, it was the correct decision.
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Post by wozzerthepotter on Aug 31, 2015 9:56:16 GMT
Don't normally agree with Bayern but he is completely correct.
Charlie has got away with this sort of thing more than he has got caught you just can't do that in modern football with cameras everywhere if the Ref doesn't see it the cameras surely will.
Why give them a decision to make?
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 31, 2015 9:56:40 GMT
Find me evidence of a previous stamp, and please dont say Giroud, again there was no stamping motion, he probably did mean to leave his foot in, but its not a stamp. Trial by media just as Shawcross was done for holding ( amazingly by the same ref ). It happens in every game of football at almost every level, its an attempt to wind up or put an opponent of their game. Neither of the two incidents by charlie would ever cause serious injury. The more i think about the dawson one, the more i think dawsons push on affelay was worse. It certainly could have caused more injury to the player but he didnt even get a card for it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:59:20 GMT
He's done about 3 on Gareth Bale alone!
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 31, 2015 10:03:05 GMT
Just watched it again, still not a red card.
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 31, 2015 10:20:20 GMT
We know charlie is clumsy when he tackles and this is problem everytime he goes into a challenge because refs know it aswell. Ive just googled the bale challenges, the one for blackpool against spurs is a bad tackle, but the one for liverpool in a pre season friendly is a nothing challenge. Problem is because these tackles were on the poster boy of the premier league at the time he is villified even more. You only have to look at the videos that come up if you google the challenge, adam hates spurs etc etc etc, video after video of what people see as a one man assault against tottenham and there players, one even includes a great challenge (on lennon i think ), hard but fair. When you get this sort of shit in the media people start to believe it. Im sorry but i just feel adam was sent off more because of who he is and his previous, rather than what happened in that incident alone
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Post by britvic72 on Aug 31, 2015 11:00:01 GMT
Red card every time for me. He knew what he was doing and cost us the game! It was clear from the replays and the Lino couldn't have been any closer or got a better view. Stupid sending off from Charlie
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 31, 2015 11:07:36 GMT
Charlie makes some spectacular contributions but most of the time he adds little but fouls. The enforced rest may well produce the opportunity for others to displace him. He is a wonderful, likeable character buthis antics cost us dear.
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Post by greenstokie on Aug 31, 2015 11:54:04 GMT
Charlie has way too much form in this regard to expect anything else, especially when it was done under the nose of the lino. Was it deliberate and deserving a sending off? Looking at the replay on MoTD, it didn't look that way to me. Either way, it cost us the game, as I think we would still have gotten something with 10 v 11, given the way TP squandered WBA's advantage.
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 31, 2015 12:01:43 GMT
Find me evidence of a previous stamp, and please dont say Giroud, again there was no stamping motion, he probably did mean to leave his foot in, but its not a stamp. Trial by media just as Shawcross was done for holding ( amazingly by the same ref ). It happens in every game of football at almost every level, its an attempt to wind up or put an opponent of their game. Neither of the two incidents by charlie would ever cause serious injury. The more i think about the dawson one, the more i think dawsons push on affelay was worse. It certainly could have caused more injury to the player but he didnt even get a card for it. Bale skips away, he knows he isnt getting there and he doesnt even swipe him, he puts his foot down on Bales ankle/shin. Then this is a 'collection' of his bad tackles. The stamp on bale is 1:58, you can clearly see him come flying on with his foot directly place on Bales foot with force, not a tackle to try and win the ball motion. Also the tackle at the end, its not a stamp but its ridiculous and reckless. Never mind his other stupid red card in the video
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:03:10 GMT
Why did the linesman run onto the pitch BEFORE Adam had committed the foul? Had Adam done something prior to the alleged stamp?
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 31, 2015 12:07:55 GMT
Why did the linesman run onto the pitch BEFORE Adam had committed the foul? Had Adam done something prior to the alleged stamp? think it was just to split up the players as they were tangled and could have turned into argy bargy.
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Post by LphPotter on Aug 31, 2015 12:15:35 GMT
Find me evidence of a previous stamp, and please dont say Giroud, again there was no stamping motion, he probably did mean to leave his foot in, but its not a stamp. Trial by media just as Shawcross was done for holding ( amazingly by the same ref ). It happens in every game of football at almost every level, its an attempt to wind up or put an opponent of their game. Neither of the two incidents by charlie would ever cause serious injury. The more i think about the dawson one, the more i think dawsons push on affelay was worse. It certainly could have caused more injury to the player but he didnt even get a card for it. Bale skips away, he knows he isnt getting there and he doesnt even swipe him, he puts his foot down on Bales ankle/shin. Then this is a 'collection' of his bad tackles. The stamp on bale is 1:58, you can clearly see him come flying on with his foot directly place on Bales foot with force, not a tackle to try and win the ball motion. Also the tackle at the end, its not a stamp but its ridiculous and reckless. Never mind his other stupid red card in the video That second video is awful, it just shows a few poorly timed challenges, i bet if you cared enough you could make a video like that for almost every player for fouls against a single club over a few years.
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 31, 2015 12:32:41 GMT
Bale skips away, he knows he isnt getting there and he doesnt even swipe him, he puts his foot down on Bales ankle/shin. Then this is a 'collection' of his bad tackles. The stamp on bale is 1:58, you can clearly see him come flying on with his foot directly place on Bales foot with force, not a tackle to try and win the ball motion. Also the tackle at the end, its not a stamp but its ridiculous and reckless. Never mind his other stupid red card in the video That second video is awful, it just shows a few poorly timed challenges, i bet if you cared enough you could make a video like that for almost every player for fouls against a single club over a few years. my thoughts exactly, that second video shows five challenges in the whole 2 minutes of it, one of which ( the first on Lennon ) isnt even a foul. Its almost as if they were struggling for content so decided in showing the tackles more than once from different angles. The tackle whilst he was at blackpool on bale is a bad one, the other one isnt " malicious " as the commentator says, but of course having history with bale, why not make a big drama out of it and start spouting rubbish that adam deliberately likes to target him..
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Post by philb on Aug 31, 2015 13:27:20 GMT
Red card every time for me. He knew what he was doing and cost us the game! It was clear from the replays and the Lino couldn't have been any closer or got a better view. Stupid sending off from Charlie We've seen 3 alleged 'stamps' this weekend. One was a red, one a yellow and one not even a foul was given. With regards to the linesmans interventions it's a shame the linesman wasn't as observant on the other side with the Afellay incident otherwise it would have been 10 v 10 for a while.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Aug 31, 2015 13:30:27 GMT
You could see he meant to thread on him as he makes an extra step more than was needed so wasn't off balance.
Also it shows how he intended it by the fact that when the ref was about to show the card he was already starting to walk to the dressing room before he'd seen the colour. He knew what he did and shouldn't be excused for it, it was disappointed.
Having said that, Gardner should have seen red and so should Dawson as each of their infringements just before each of Adam and Affelay's were as clear a red card as either of their's.
I hate complaining of bias but it's so hard not to when these kind of things happen week in week out against us. It was built on the basis of how Pulis had us playing and how we were portrayed under him, but then when he left the reputation didn't leave with him as it's been stuck to us instead.
Look at the stats of least fouls and most fouled upon and it just shows how badly our reputation comes before us. The stats show the real figures and how we hardly commit offences whereas when it comes to the opinionated part played by the officials, this is where we are hurt.
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Post by britvic72 on Aug 31, 2015 13:40:00 GMT
Red card every time for me. He knew what he was doing and cost us the game! It was clear from the replays and the Lino couldn't have been any closer or got a better view. Stupid sending off from Charlie We've seen 3 alleged 'stamps' this weekend. One was a red, one a yellow and one not even a foul was given. With regards to the linesmans interventions it's a shame the linesman wasn't as observant on the other side with the Afellay incident otherwise it would have been 10 v 10 for a while. In fairness it would have been difficult for him to see as Dawsons bods was in the way but the ref should have seen it if he continued to watch what was going on. The foul was for the pull back. If he's seen Dawson put his hands to Affelays face it's a ed card if not surely retrospective red as it was a separate offence. It just depends what the yellow was for as I'm assuming the pull back not the hand to face as it's clearly a red as given to Affelay.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 31, 2015 13:54:36 GMT
I've calmed down a little from Saturday but I'm still really annoyed with both Afellay and Adam. I'm now equally as pissed off with the inconsistency of the referee. The ref must have seen the flick to Afellay's face because he saw Gardner trip Afellay so as to give the free kick and saw Afellay retaliate. I'm not having that he didn't see events inbetween. Likewise the challenge by Dawson on Adam just before the stamp/tread was dangerous and reckless with both feet off the ground in a scissor motion, some may interpret that as a sending off offence. A totally impartial and 'letter of the law' referee should have reduced that game to 9 v 9 but a good sensible referee with a hint of common sense could have left in 11 v 11 with four yellow cards. Oliver is neither of the two above examples, I hope it's a long time before I see that egotistical twat anywhere near a Stoke game.
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Post by hartzchoco on Aug 31, 2015 15:51:31 GMT
The game announcers said that if both red cards had been kept in the pocket, and a talking to given instead, no one would have argued it. I agree with that assessment.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 31, 2015 16:24:08 GMT
Find me evidence of a previous stamp, and please dont say Giroud, again there was no stamping motion, he probably did mean to leave his foot in, but its not a stamp. Trial by media just as Shawcross was done for holding ( amazingly by the same ref ). It happens in every game of football at almost every level, its an attempt to wind up or put an opponent of their game. Neither of the two incidents by charlie would ever cause serious injury. The more i think about the dawson one, the more i think dawsons push on affelay was worse. It certainly could have caused more injury to the player but he didnt even get a card for it. Bale skips away, he knows he isnt getting there and he doesnt even swipe him, he puts his foot down on Bales ankle/shin. Then this is a 'collection' of his bad tackles. The stamp on bale is 1:58, you can clearly see him come flying on with his foot directly place on Bales foot with force, not a tackle to try and win the ball motion. Also the tackle at the end, its not a stamp but its ridiculous and reckless. Never mind his other stupid red card in the video Nothing wrong with the challenge at the end. Genuinely going for the ball and should never have been a yellow. The first video shows a poor tackle but I think he's just trying to trip him and, very similarly to Paul Scholes, is just shot at tackling and gets it wrong. The other one at 1:58 is deliberate and very naughty though.
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 31, 2015 16:35:01 GMT
The fact that were all debating whether it was or it wasnt suggests theres an amount of uncertainty over it. So going of Dermot Gallaghers interpretation where by a referee having already sent one player off, would have to be 100% certain before he sent off another of the same team how can michael oliver be so certain? Obviously influenced by the words of his linesman ' he stamped on him very hard ', now i think we can all agree that adam did not stamp on the player very hard, and had the linesman in fact said somthing along the lines off ' he appears to have trodden on him as there legs were tangled, but i cant be sure whether he meant it or not", charlie would have no doubt stayed on the pitch.
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