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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 25, 2015 22:47:19 GMT
Given- 5. Made the saves he should of, somehow didnt save the pen before wollys
Bardsley- 3 kills our rhythm by constantly going backwards or taking ages on the ball
Wolly - 3 few sloppy passes, doesnt look confident at all.
Wilson- 3 stop trying to play long passes you arent nearly capable of. Needed a centre midfielder dropping in short to stop the need for anything other than the simple ball Pieters- 3 when will he learn to cross a ball?
Sidwell- 3, didnt offer himself anything like Whelan does. Commited many fouls and didnt contribute much else.
Ireland- 5 looked the only one capable of picking a killer pass, still very sloppy at times
Walters- 6 took his goal well
Bojan- 2 gave the ball away countless times- going to take time
Arnie- 2 same as Bojan
Crouch- 3 shit service but didnt do anything in terms of build up either
Diouf-3 not a left midfielder
Joselu- 2 not a good day at the office.
Cameron- 7 miles better than anyone
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2015 22:48:17 GMT
If Ireland doesn't start on Saturday something is seriously wrong. Agreed but do you think he will after 120 minutes tonight, Rob? I think there's a chance he wont start but will feature.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 25, 2015 22:49:24 GMT
If Ireland doesn't start on Saturday something is seriously wrong. Agreed but do you think he will after 120 minutes tonight, Rob? I think there's a chance he wont start but will feature. That's a good question mate. Somebody needs to play behind the striker though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2015 22:50:16 GMT
If Ireland doesn't start on Saturday something is seriously wrong. Agreed but do you think he will after 120 minutes tonight, Rob? I think there's a chance he wont start but will feature. Agreed. Can't wait to see Affelay and Van Ginkel muddling their way through midfield.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2015 22:54:02 GMT
Agreed but do you think he will after 120 minutes tonight, Rob? I think there's a chance he wont start but will feature. That's a good question mate. Somebody needs to play behind the striker though. I think it's in his mind, that he's going to start with the same personnel and the same formation that started at Norwich. Maybe Wilson instead of Geoff, if there's going to be anything that's different.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2015 22:57:41 GMT
That's a good question mate. Somebody needs to play behind the striker though. I think it's in his mind, that he's going to start with the same personnel and the same formation that started at Norwich. Maybe Wilson instead of Geoff, if there's going to be anything that's different. Why would he do that? We can all see it's screaming out for Ireland and he was indeed the only outfield who did anything tonight of note. Seems like we're cutting our own nose off to spite our face with him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2015 23:03:16 GMT
I think it's in his mind, that he's going to start with the same personnel and the same formation that started at Norwich. Maybe Wilson instead of Geoff, if there's going to be anything that's different. Why would he do that? We can all see it's screaming out for Ireland and he was indeed the only outfield who did anything tonight of note. Seems like we're cutting our own nose off to spite our face with him. But we could all see it was screaming out for Ireland and 4-2-3-1 BEFORE the Norwich game mate but he still went with 4-1-4-1 with Afellay and Van Ginkel. Based on tonight's team selection, it looks very much like he's going to go with the same again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2015 23:05:11 GMT
Why would he do that? We can all see it's screaming out for Ireland and he was indeed the only outfield who did anything tonight of note. Seems like we're cutting our own nose off to spite our face with him. But we could all see it was screaming out for Ireland and 4-2-3-1 BEFORE the Norwich game mate but he still went with 4-1-4-1 with Afellay and Van Ginkel. Based on tonight's team selection, it looks very much that he's going to go with the same again. Very true. I'm trying to stay as positive as I can though...... I expected tonight to be bad but that was something else and the thought of watching an Irelandless Stoke on Saturday fills me with dread.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 26, 2015 1:12:13 GMT
None of that team who started barring Ireland and Pieters would start for me.
Afellay to left wing, Ireland in the hole and MVG (gotta up his game) holding with Whelan.
P.S I thought Walters did ok tonight so this post is no slight on him but it is on the rest
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Post by knowles on Aug 26, 2015 9:44:32 GMT
You can now Rate The Players at Every Step Along The Way, if you feel that way inclined. Given - 7 Bardsley - 4 Wilson - 3 Wollscheid - 5 Pieters - 5 Sidwell - 5 Ireland - 6 Walters - 7 Arnie - 5 Bojan - 6 Crouch - 5 Joselu - 5 Cameron - 7 Diouf - 5
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Post by whydelilah on Aug 26, 2015 12:15:09 GMT
Looking through these ratings, it looks like most people think Geoff was our best player.
Maybe start Wilson at the back on Saturday and replace Glenn with Cameron in midfield?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 26, 2015 12:20:18 GMT
Given - 7 Bardsley - 3 Wilson - 5 Wollscheid - 5 Pieters - 4 Sidwell - 4 Ireland - 5 Walters - 5 Arnie - 2 Bojan - 5 Crouch - 2
Joselu - 2 Cameron - 7 Diouf - 2
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Post by timbo1988 on Aug 26, 2015 12:28:39 GMT
Looking through these ratings, it looks like most people think Geoff was our best player. Maybe start Wilson at the back on Saturday and replace Glenn with Cameron in midfield? Wilson was one of the worst players last night though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 12:29:53 GMT
Given 8 Bardsley 4 Woolly 6 Wilson 6 Eric 6 Sidwell 4 Walters 7 MOM Bojan 5 Arnie 4 Ireland 5 Crouch 5 Subs Geoff 6 Diouf 6 Joselu 5 Gouranga. Given gets the highest mark but Walters Mom?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2015 12:44:27 GMT
Looking through these ratings, it looks like most people think Geoff was our best player. Maybe start Wilson at the back on Saturday and replace Glenn with Cameron in midfield? You didn't see the game then? Glenn 'sits' and protects the back four, Geoff although he was brought on to sure up the midfield and kill the game, was marauding forward at every opportunity. Nothing wrong with that of course if you want somebody to drive the midfield forward but not really what you want from somebody in the Whelan role.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 26, 2015 12:50:13 GMT
Looking through these ratings, it looks like most people think Geoff was our best player. Maybe start Wilson at the back on Saturday and replace Glenn with Cameron in midfield? You didn't see the game then? Glenn 'sits' and protects the back four, Geoff although he was brought on to sure up the midfield and kill the game, was marauding forward at every opportunity. Nothing wrong with that of course if you want somebody to drive the midfield forward but not really what you want from somebody in the Whelan role. True - but wasn't it nice to see a midfielder who was prepared to run with the ball rather than pass the f'ng thing sideways and backwards unlike the rest of them, until we lose patience and hoof it to an empty space or to an offside - which is rubbish given our slow build up Whelan and Geoffrey would be fine if we did not then have a huge gaping hole at centre half
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Post by whydelilah on Aug 26, 2015 12:51:58 GMT
Looking through these ratings, it looks like most people think Geoff was our best player. Maybe start Wilson at the back on Saturday and replace Glenn with Cameron in midfield? You didn't see the game then? Glenn 'sits' and protects the back four, Geoff although he was brought on to sure up the midfield and kill the game, was marauding forward at every opportunity. Nothing wrong with that of course if you want somebody to drive the midfield forward but not really what you want from somebody in the Whelan role. I'm on holiday mate. Just flicked thorough the ratings.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2015 12:53:21 GMT
You didn't see the game then? Glenn 'sits' and protects the back four, Geoff although he was brought on to sure up the midfield and kill the game, was marauding forward at every opportunity. Nothing wrong with that of course if you want somebody to drive the midfield forward but not really what you want from somebody in the Whelan role. I'm on holiday mate. Just flicked thorough the ratings. You didn't miss much, it was an horrendous performance. Enjoy your break.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 13:17:17 GMT
Looking through these ratings, it looks like most people think Geoff was our best player. Maybe start Wilson at the back on Saturday and replace Glenn with Cameron in midfield? You didn't see the game then? Glenn 'sits' and protects the back four, Geoff although he was brought on to sure up the midfield and kill the game, was marauding forward at every opportunity. Nothing wrong with that of course if you want somebody to drive the midfield forward but not really what you want from somebody in the Whelan role. Who then got done for the goal....
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 26, 2015 13:18:33 GMT
they don't deserve a rating.
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Post by pez75 on Aug 26, 2015 14:18:17 GMT
They were all toss at some stage of the game. No-one cannot be criticised after that performance. A lot of singling out of bardsley & Sidwell but they were no worse than the others. The Sidwell comments make me smile. He is getting slated for effectively having a typical Glen Whelan performance, but is not afforded the same slack when working under similar conditions (Playing as the holding midfielder with virtually no assistance)?
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Post by potts348 on Aug 26, 2015 15:56:26 GMT
Looking through these ratings, it looks like most people think Geoff was our best player. Maybe start Wilson at the back on Saturday and replace Glenn with Cameron in midfield? You didn't see the game then? Glenn 'sits' and protects the back four, Geoff although he was brought on to sure up the midfield and kill the game, was marauding forward at every opportunity. Nothing wrong with that of course if you want somebody to drive the midfield forward but not really what you want from somebody in the Whelan role. Please don't make intelligent points in here. For me, the introduction of Cameron was one of the key reasons we conceded. Prior to his introduction Ireland had actually dropped behind Sidwell and was ensuring we retained the ball and stopping them from playing. When Cameron came in we didn't retain the ball deep in our half anymore, were turning it over higher up the pitch thus giving them a platform to play. Now in no way am I criticising cameron I want to be clear... But the game we played when he came in and Ireland pushed forward ultimately cost us I felt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:03:26 GMT
Thought we controlled the game at a pace to suit bojan, whom I thought played as well as we could have hoped after sustaining a long term injury. He was always running in to space looking for the ball, and to be honest I did not see that goal coming and bojan would probably have played longer had it been a few minutes earlier. Thought Ireland was the best player on the pitch. Really disappointed with diouf for even attempting to score with his hand and joselu's touch was dreadful. Was not disappointed with the performance but we will have to be better against Fulham.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 26, 2015 16:39:58 GMT
Given - 6 Bardsley - 4 Wilson - 5 Wollscheid - 6 Pieters - 5 Sidwell - 5 Ireland - 6 Walters - 6 Arnie - 4 Bojan - 5 Crouch - 4
Joselu - 4 Cameron - 6 Diouf - 4
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Post by boothenesque on Aug 26, 2015 17:16:50 GMT
Some low scores for Sidwell who had one of the highest passing percentages in the shirt and had a lot of tackles in the match... Exactly! Same old Stoke fans, never happy with what they've got, forgetting all those years in the wilderness and always needing a hate figure to lambaste when other can do much worse whilst smelling of roses. I remember Paul Richardson who took us up to Div 1 at Notts County was always slated, Paul Macguire who scored 4 to keep us up got the same cringeworthy treatment, Lee Chapman, Bould, Griffin, Salif, Whitehead....the list goes on and on. They are hate figures even before they set foot on the pitch so whatever the statisitic are it make no difference because their mind is made up and there is no way you'll change their view. It's embarrassing.
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Post by knowles on Aug 27, 2015 9:27:27 GMT
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