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Post by scfc4ever22 on Aug 31, 2015 23:20:36 GMT
Finally sorting the Whelan problem. What Whelan problem?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 31, 2015 23:24:43 GMT
Finally sorting the Whelan problem. What Whelan problem? He doesn't like Whelan, one of our best players over the last 2 seasons.
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Aug 31, 2015 23:26:05 GMT
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Post by samba :) on Aug 31, 2015 23:26:05 GMT
He doesn't like Whelan, one of our best players over the last 2 seasons. last 8 seasons
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Post by scfc4ever22 on Aug 31, 2015 23:26:28 GMT
Agree and Saturdays performance was immense
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 31, 2015 23:38:29 GMT
Ha, ha.
Proof of positive that MLH & co, do actually listen to the knotfm Sunday Sports show (last week's, not yesterday's) and to the handy transfer tips sent in by some of the more shrewd listeners:
No, no, I insist. have this one on me Sparky
No, he's not the all round SNZ replacement, nor is he the long term future in MF but he is what we need right now with the centre looking flakey and the need to give some better cover to the CBs while we see how Ryan works out on the long road back.
(I'd still have some bugger on a plane to Ukraine with a big bag of cash marked for Igor too btw.)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 23:41:35 GMT
Ha, ha.
Proof of positive that MLH & co, do actually listen to the knotfm Sunday Sports show (last week's, not yesterday's) and to the handy transfer tips sent in by some of the more shrewd listeners:
No, no, I insist. have this one on me Sparky
No, he's not the all round SNZ replacement, nor is he the long term future in MF but he is what we need right now with the centre looking flakey and the need to give some better cover to the CBs while we see how Ryan works out on the long road back.
(I'd still have some bugger on a plane to Ukraine with a big bag of cash marked for Igor too btw.)
A massively short term option though surely? 12 months at most, 6 months hopefully? Like Paul says I think when we sold Fonzy if we were told Jedinak would be his replacement we'd be kicking the doors of bet365 towers down. As it is he'll do a job and a good one at that but it shows a lack of planning surely?
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 1, 2015 0:11:58 GMT
Ha, ha.
Proof of positive that MLH & co, do actually listen to the knotfm Sunday Sports show (last week's, not yesterday's) and to the handy transfer tips sent in by some of the more shrewd listeners:
No, no, I insist. have this one on me Sparky
No, he's not the all round SNZ replacement, nor is he the long term future in MF but he is what we need right now with the centre looking flakey and the need to give some better cover to the CBs while we see how Ryan works out on the long road back.
(I'd still have some bugger on a plane to Ukraine with a big bag of cash marked for Igor too btw.)
A massively short term option though surely? 12 months at most, 6 months hopefully? Like Paul says I think when we sold Fonzy if we were told Jedinak would be his replacement we'd be kicking the doors of bet365 towers down. As it is he'll do a job and a good one at that but it shows a lack of planning surely? K'in spiders B., if you won the lottery, would you moan that it wasn't the Euro Millions?
Look, nobody, least of all me, is saying, "right, that's our CDM position sorted for the next 5 years" are they?
(Although it must be a good 3 or 4 since I've genuinely thought he was exactly what we needed anyway.)
MLH's longer game vis a vis SNZ obviously seems to be MVG. That was the "planning".
The fact that MVG is a long, long way off being the new SNZ overnight is a bummer, yes, but it seems he's going to get the time to grow there.
In the meantime, and with Ryan out & the CB slots looking shaky behind the MF as well, yes, we have a problem.
Not one to sort out with a new CB (obviously Ryan is returning and, unlike some, he has enough faith in the many CB options we have, or else, why are they here?) And not one to sort out with a new SNZ (as above, it seems to be MVG - loanee or not). And while we're on that, who, in the ponds we currently fish in, could we reasonably expect to 'land' for that slot?
But it one that Jedinak is perfect for, end of.
If true / happening, to me it's a rock solid expedient to what the management obviously see as a short (ish) term issue.
Obviously with the opportunity to change any / all of that in the Jan window and with fingers crossed and buttocks clenched that we ride the rocky patches in the meantime.
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Sept 1, 2015 0:14:34 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2015 0:14:34 GMT
I thought we were shopping at the highest level now according to Scholes? Now it's Palace rejects. Poor from SCFC. Where is all the money going? You've changed your tune overnight, laughable really.
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Sept 1, 2015 0:16:59 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2015 0:16:59 GMT
A massively short term option though surely? 12 months at most, 6 months hopefully? Like Paul says I think when we sold Fonzy if we were told Jedinak would be his replacement we'd be kicking the doors of bet365 towers down. As it is he'll do a job and a good one at that but it shows a lack of planning surely? K'in spiders B., if you won the lottery, would you moan that it wasn't the Euro Millions?
Look, nobody, least of all me, is saying, "right, that's our CDM position sorted for the next 5 years" are they?
(Although it must be a good 3 or 4 since I've genuinely thought he was exactly what we needed anyway.)
MLH's longer game vis a vis SNZ obviously seems to be MVG. That was the "planning".
The fact that MVG is a long, long way off being the new SNZ overnight is a bummer, yes, but it seems he's going to get the time to grow there.
In the meantime, and with Ryan out & the CB slots looking shaky behind the MF as well, yes, we have a problem.
Not one to sort out with a new CB (obviously Ryan is returning and, unlike some, he has enough faith in the many CB options we have, or else, why are they here?) And not one to sort out with a new SNZ (as above, it seems to be MVG - loanee or not). And while we're on that, who, in the ponds we currently fish in, could we reasonably expect to 'land' for that slot?
But it one that Jedinak is perfect for, end of.
If true / happening, to me it's a rock solid expedient to what the management obviously see as a short (ish) term issue.
Obviously with the opportunity to change any / all of that in the Jan window and with fingers crossed and buttocks clenched that we ride the rocky patches in the meantime. Our longer term 'planning' is a player we've got on a temporary 12 month loan?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 0:19:41 GMT
A massively short term option though surely? 12 months at most, 6 months hopefully? Like Paul says I think when we sold Fonzy if we were told Jedinak would be his replacement we'd be kicking the doors of bet365 towers down. As it is he'll do a job and a good one at that but it shows a lack of planning surely? K'in spiders B., if you won the lottery, would you moan that it wasn't the Euro Millions?
Look, nobody, least of all me, is saying, "right, that's our CDM position sorted for the next 5 years" are they?
(Although it must be a good 3 or 4 since I've genuinely thought he was exactly what we needed anyway.)
MLH's longer game vis a vis SNZ obviously seems to be MVG. That was the "planning".
The fact that MVG is a long, long way off being the new SNZ overnight is a bummer, yes, but it seems he's going to get the time to grow there.
In the meantime, and with Ryan out & the CB slots looking shaky behind the MF as well, yes, we have a problem.
Not one to sort out with a new CB (obviously Ryan is returning and, unlike some, he has enough faith in the many CB options we have, or else, why are they here?) And not one to sort out with a new SNZ (as above, it seems to be MVG - loanee or not). And while we're on that, who, in the ponds we currently fish in, could we reasonably expect to 'land' for that slot?
But it one that Jedinak is perfect for, end of.
If true / happening, to me it's a rock solid expedient to what the management obviously see as a short (ish) term issue.
Obviously with the opportunity to change any / all of that in the Jan window and with fingers crossed and buttocks clenched that we ride the rocky patches in the meantime. Nah but did I expect than Jedinak? Yes, I think most of us did! He should barely be the man for a year, which is an issue. I've said who I'd like numerous times and failing that I'm not a Premier League of a club who's had a temperamental midfielder for 3 years who could have left at any point and then not have a list of adequate replacements. Although I think Hughes has complete faith in MVG and he is that man....still. It is short term, a lot of what we're doing is short term. Hardly pushing on is it? Like we were promised. He's a very steady stop gap and will do well for a season but a Fonzy replacement is still on my wishlist. EDIT-I missed the long term planning bit......but as Paul points out our long term planning is a 12 month loan. It's not very long term is it? Come next summer no doubt we'll be here wanting 2 or 3 more central midfielders.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 1, 2015 0:27:07 GMT
K'in spiders B., if you won the lottery, would you moan that it wasn't the Euro Millions?
Look, nobody, least of all me, is saying, "right, that's our CDM position sorted for the next 5 years" are they?
(Although it must be a good 3 or 4 since I've genuinely thought he was exactly what we needed anyway.)
MLH's longer game vis a vis SNZ obviously seems to be MVG. That was the "planning".
The fact that MVG is a long, long way off being the new SNZ overnight is a bummer, yes, but it seems he's going to get the time to grow there.
In the meantime, and with Ryan out & the CB slots looking shaky behind the MF as well, yes, we have a problem.
Not one to sort out with a new CB (obviously Ryan is returning and, unlike some, he has enough faith in the many CB options we have, or else, why are they here?) And not one to sort out with a new SNZ (as above, it seems to be MVG - loanee or not). And while we're on that, who, in the ponds we currently fish in, could we reasonably expect to 'land' for that slot?
But it one that Jedinak is perfect for, end of.
If true / happening, to me it's a rock solid expedient to what the management obviously see as a short (ish) term issue.
Obviously with the opportunity to change any / all of that in the Jan window and with fingers crossed and buttocks clenched that we ride the rocky patches in the meantime. Our longer term 'planning' is a player we've got on a temporary 12 month loan?
Hence the "loanee or not" Paul.
Not ideal, no.
Or, if we're delving into B's lexicon, "it's a right fook up".
But, he clearly sees something (we can't yet?) in him and, for all we know, has designs on him permanently?
And that said, that's not the point is it really, that ship has sailed.
We're in a pickle and I for one, think MJ, is a very good solution to getting us out of it in the short (again, I say "ish") term, while we find the real one (which may yet be MVG of course).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 0:31:13 GMT
Our longer term 'planning' is a player we've got on a temporary 12 month loan?
Hence the "loanee or not" Paul.
Not ideal, no.
Or, if we're delving into B's lexicon, "it's a right fook up".
But, he clearly sees something (we can't yet?) in him and, for all we know, has designs on him permanently?
And that said, that's not the point is it really, that ship has sailed.
We're in a pickle and I for one, think MJ, is a very good solution to getting us out of it in the short (again, I say "ish") term, while we find the real one (which may yet be MVG of course).
I can see why he might want him long term tbh. But even if he does have designs on him permanently then we'll get him if he's bang average for us. Which isn't good enough. Not to have a player ready and waiting to walk into the Fonzy role has been at best short sighted (it's not like he's a serial transfer request offender) and best an absolute monumental fuck up! Signing a stopper as a somewhat panic option shows that however wise (now) it is.
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Post by ladsinredandwhite on Sept 1, 2015 0:34:28 GMT
Is this just another rumour or something or is it actually comfirmed/ any decent proof that he will sign?
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 1, 2015 0:35:46 GMT
K'in spiders B., if you won the lottery, would you moan that it wasn't the Euro Millions?
Look, nobody, least of all me, is saying, "right, that's our CDM position sorted for the next 5 years" are they?
(Although it must be a good 3 or 4 since I've genuinely thought he was exactly what we needed anyway.)
MLH's longer game vis a vis SNZ obviously seems to be MVG. That was the "planning".
The fact that MVG is a long, long way off being the new SNZ overnight is a bummer, yes, but it seems he's going to get the time to grow there.
In the meantime, and with Ryan out & the CB slots looking shaky behind the MF as well, yes, we have a problem.
Not one to sort out with a new CB (obviously Ryan is returning and, unlike some, he has enough faith in the many CB options we have, or else, why are they here?) And not one to sort out with a new SNZ (as above, it seems to be MVG - loanee or not). And while we're on that, who, in the ponds we currently fish in, could we reasonably expect to 'land' for that slot?
But it one that Jedinak is perfect for, end of.
If true / happening, to me it's a rock solid expedient to what the management obviously see as a short (ish) term issue.
Obviously with the opportunity to change any / all of that in the Jan window and with fingers crossed and buttocks clenched that we ride the rocky patches in the meantime. Nah but did I expect than Jedinak? Yes, I think most of us did! He should barely be the man for a year, which is an issue. I've said who I'd like numerous times and failing that I'm not a Premier League of a club who's had a temperamental midfielder for 3 years who could have left at any point and then not have a list of adequate replacements. Although I think Hughes has complete faith in MVG and he is that man....still. It is short term, a lot of what we're doing is short term. Hardly pushing on is it? Like we were promised. He's a very steady stop gap and will do well for a season but a Fonzy replacement is still on my wishlist. EDIT-I missed the long term planning bit......but as Paul points out our long term planning is a 12 month loan. It's not very long term is it? Come next summer no doubt we'll be here wanting 2 or 3 more central midfielders. Agree with most of that tbf but you're generally that busy moaning about something or other, I'm bolloxed if I know who you've punted instead of SNZ previously.
But, having agreed with you, my point is still, we are where we are - in need of a fix sooner not later.
And, as per my reply to Paul, one of the two or three CMs next year might yet be MVG, and, who knows, we might all be looking back saying "remember when we all thought he was Jodrell?"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 0:39:11 GMT
Nah but did I expect than Jedinak? Yes, I think most of us did! He should barely be the man for a year, which is an issue. I've said who I'd like numerous times and failing that I'm not a Premier League of a club who's had a temperamental midfielder for 3 years who could have left at any point and then not have a list of adequate replacements. Although I think Hughes has complete faith in MVG and he is that man....still. It is short term, a lot of what we're doing is short term. Hardly pushing on is it? Like we were promised. He's a very steady stop gap and will do well for a season but a Fonzy replacement is still on my wishlist. EDIT-I missed the long term planning bit......but as Paul points out our long term planning is a 12 month loan. It's not very long term is it? Come next summer no doubt we'll be here wanting 2 or 3 more central midfielders. Agree with most of that tbf but you're generally that busy moaning about something or other, I'm bolloxed if I know who you've punted instead of SNZ previously.
But, having agreed with you, my point is still, we are where we are - in need of a fix sooner not later.
And, as per my reply to Paul, one of the two or three CMs next year might yet be MVG, and, who knows, we might all be looking back saying "remember when we all thought he was Jodrell?" But we shouldn't be. We're a Premier League side who say they have aspirations of Europe. We shouldn't be going for short term cheap fixes to replace who has been our best player under the current manager. It might be, that word might is a ridiculously big issue.
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Sept 1, 2015 0:40:47 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Sept 1, 2015 0:40:47 GMT
Is this just another rumour or something or is it actually comfirmed/ any decent proof that he will sign? Percy reckons it's a done deal
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Jedinak
Sept 1, 2015 0:43:56 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2015 0:43:56 GMT
Our longer term 'planning' is a player we've got on a temporary 12 month loan?
Hence the "loanee or not" Paul.
Not ideal, no.
Or, if we're delving into B's lexicon, "it's a right fook up".
But, he clearly sees something (we can't yet?) in him and, for all we know, has designs on him permanently?
And that said, that's not the point is it really, that ship has sailed.
We're in a pickle and I for one, think MJ, is a very good solution to getting us out of it in the short (again, I say "ish") term, while we find the real one (which may yet be MVG of course).
It seems like we're in agreement then - it kinda feels like we're making it up as we're going along, rather than following any predetermined strategy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 0:49:57 GMT
Hence the "loanee or not" Paul.
Not ideal, no.
Or, if we're delving into B's lexicon, "it's a right fook up".
But, he clearly sees something (we can't yet?) in him and, for all we know, has designs on him permanently?
And that said, that's not the point is it really, that ship has sailed.
We're in a pickle and I for one, think MJ, is a very good solution to getting us out of it in the short (again, I say "ish") term, while we find the real one (which may yet be MVG of course).
It seems like we're in agreement then - it kinda feels like we're making it up as we're going along, rather than following any predetermined strategy. It's felt very Pulis like to me.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 1, 2015 0:51:28 GMT
Agree with most of that tbf but you're generally that busy moaning about something or other, I'm bolloxed if I know who you've punted instead of SNZ previously.
But, having agreed with you, my point is still, we are where we are - in need of a fix sooner not later.
And, as per my reply to Paul, one of the two or three CMs next year might yet be MVG, and, who knows, we might all be looking back saying "remember when we all thought he was Jodrell?" But we shouldn't be. We're a Premier League who say they have aspirations of Europe. We shouldn't be going for short term cheap fixes to replace who has been our best player under the current manager. It might be, that word might is a ridiculously big issue. True. In an ideal world, we shouldn't.
And yet, we don't, in truth, know what mountains may have been moved behind the scenes to try to get such players and that might not, for whatever reasons, have just not come off.
And yes, it flies in the face of Scholesy's next level rhetoric obviously - but if it gets us to the point where we are buying two or three Stokey Gallacticos (yes, probably in MF) then it'll do me.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 1, 2015 0:54:13 GMT
It seems like we're in agreement then - it kinda feels like we're making it up as we're going along, rather than following any predetermined strategy. It's felt very Pulis like to me. Ooo.
Cutting.
That one will hurt when it gets back to the Sparkster via Mr Bowen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 0:56:04 GMT
But we shouldn't be. We're a Premier League who say they have aspirations of Europe. We shouldn't be going for short term cheap fixes to replace who has been our best player under the current manager. It might be, that word might is a ridiculously big issue. True. In an ideal world, we shouldn't.
And yet, we don't, in truth, know what mountains may have been moved behind the scenes to try to get such players and that might not, for whatever reasons, have just not come off.
And yes, it flies in the face of Scholesy's next level rhetoric obviously - but if it gets us to the point where we are buying two or three Stokey Gallacticos (yes, probably in MF) then it'll do me.
True but I do think they're happy with MVG and are getting Jedinak in as insurance. But again I'm well documented as thinking Hughes has the lost the plot so far this season! Why can't we do it now? What's the point in signing someone like Shaqiri and having a half arsed team around him? Seems all a bit pointless.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 0:57:02 GMT
It's felt very Pulis like to me. Ooo.
Cutting.
That one will hurt when it gets back to the Sparkster via Mr Bowen. It's the biggest insult I can think of. I'm seriously unimpressed with the vision we've shown.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 1:09:15 GMT
It's the biggest insult I can think of. I'm seriously unimpressed with the vision we've shown. Things don't always go to plan though do they. I So you start signing players you don't overly need and don't push to replace your best player settling for a kid and then panicking with short term (but decent) stop gap? Hhhhmmmm. It's been seriously poor.
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Sept 1, 2015 1:12:12 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2015 1:12:12 GMT
Things don't always go to plan though do they. I So you start signing players you don't overly need and don't push to replace your best player settling for a kid and then panicking with short term (but decent) stop gap? Hhhhmmmm. It's been seriously poor. You can only do what you can do. In 24 hours things may seem better :-)
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Post by tijuanabrass on Sept 1, 2015 1:37:38 GMT
In case this one comes off and anyone was worrying about pronunciation I believe it is Mih-lay Yedinak. Obviously I'd be more than happy for any Croatian speakers to correct me.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Sept 1, 2015 1:41:28 GMT
In case this one comes off and anyone was worrying about pronunciation I believe it is Mih-lay Yedinak. Obviously I'd be more than happy for any Croatian speakers to correct me. To be absolutely honest......I hope I don't have to get used to pronouncing his name
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Jedinak
Sept 1, 2015 2:31:53 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 1, 2015 2:31:53 GMT
Van Ginkel may well come good, I think he clearly has ability so I'd hope he will but you can't rely on hope and nothing else. At the end of the day he has been a bit of a pussy in a couple games if I'm honest and I think we need some fucking steel, and some physicality in the middle and Jedinak's middle name should be fucking steel. Because he's so steely, and solid. Like Steel. Jedinak would be a steel steal imo Like Blue Steel?
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 1, 2015 2:45:39 GMT
Van Ginkel may well come good, I think he clearly has ability so I'd hope he will but you can't rely on hope and nothing else. At the end of the day he has been a bit of a pussy in a couple games if I'm honest and I think we need some fucking steel, and some physicality in the middle and Jedinak's middle name should be fucking steel. Because he's so steely, and solid. Like Steel. Jedinak would be a steel steal imo Like Blue Steel? Rumour has it Jedinak and Skippy the bush kangaroo have been house hunting at Lee Trundles old place in Trentham, and a digeredoo was being played at the open Mike night at The Locomotive, Heron Cross.....
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Sept 1, 2015 3:30:39 GMT
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Post by Bombus on Sept 1, 2015 3:30:39 GMT
Would be a brilliant signing. Agree, mate
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Post by tijuanabrass on Sept 1, 2015 4:14:12 GMT
In case this one comes off and anyone was worrying about pronunciation I believe it is Mih-lay Yedinak. Obviously I'd be more than happy for any Croatian speakers to correct me. To be absolutely honest......I hope I don't have to get used to pronouncing his name An Aussie in the Stoke first team is suddenly going to mean a load of red & white shirts on the streets of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth.
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