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Post by soswalker1 on Aug 21, 2015 7:14:58 GMT
we still need a centre half even when shawx is fit.If we want to play at the next level Wolly Wilson make to any mistakes Muni great player but not strong enough.also Cameron is the man to replace zonz.
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 21, 2015 7:17:57 GMT
we still need a centre half even when shawx is fit.If we want to play at the next level Wolly Wilson make to any mistakes Muni great player but not strong enough.also Cameron is the man to replace zonz. So you would like 7 fit CBs on the books? Do you know the squad playing limit is 25 right? MH rates Wollscheid, even if you and others dont. The only way we will get a new CB is either a short term loan now or if Wilson and/or Bardsley are gone before September. Cameron is NOT the man to replace N'Zonzi by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 21, 2015 9:20:05 GMT
I think a quality CH is an absolute imperative. Let's see Bards gone. Do we have to sign every freebie footballer on planet earth?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 9:24:02 GMT
we still need a centre half even when shawx is fit.If we want to play at the next level Wolly Wilson make to any mistakes ALL DEFENDERS MAKE MISTAKES Muni great player but not strong enough YES HE IS THAT'S A COMPLETE MYTH.also Cameron is the man to replace zonz NO HE'S NOT HE'S NOT CAPABLE OF PLAYING THAT ROLE
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2015 11:35:21 GMT
Jonny Evans has got 1 year left on his deal.
Nixon's making the point that he has already missed out on Everton (who are signing an Argentinian today instead) and West Brom (who are signing Fazio today instead) due to Man Utd playing silly buggers with the fee.
Got to be a chance they'll get real before deadline day and Hughes will be waiting.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 21, 2015 11:39:14 GMT
we still need a centre half even when shawx is fit.If we want to play at the next level Wolly Wilson make to any mistakes Muni great player but not strong enough.also Cameron is the man to replace zonz. So you would like 7 fit CBs on the books? Do you know the squad playing limit is 25 right? MH rates Wollscheid, even if you and others dont. The only way we will get a new CB is either a short term loan now or if Wilson and/or Bardsley are gone before September. Cameron is NOT the man to replace N'Zonzi by any stretch of the imagination. Does Hughes rate Wollsheid, he doesn't play him much, even with Shawcross (and Wilson) out. I agree we need another in and ASAP. Lescott would do me for 18 months.
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Post by soswalker1 on Aug 21, 2015 11:42:02 GMT
If MH rates Wolly why is he not playing.I know Muni is a very good player and no I don't want seven ft CBs .You need strengh in the prem check out the stats of forwards in the premAt 5ft 11 and 11 St is not big enoughSilver dollar is right we should go for Van Dyke from Celtic
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Post by staybeautiful on Aug 21, 2015 11:57:55 GMT
Not sure why you think Muniesa strength is an issue. Most teams now only play with one out and out centre foward so the days of needing two 6ft plus strong centre backs is over. Muniesa compliments the dominant centre half perfectly. Probably the reason why Man Utd are sticking with Blind in their back four at the moment.
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 21, 2015 12:33:08 GMT
If MH rates Wolly why is he not playing.I know Muni is a very good player and no I don't want seven ft CBs .You need strengh in the prem check out the stats of forwards in the premAt 5ft 11 and 11 St is not big enoughSilver dollar is right we should go for Van Dyke from Celtic Muni is first choice CB with Ryan. Cameron is starting because he was excellent there in pre-season. Why do you equate strength with height - just look at Crouch! Muni has played against a number of the larger Premiership strikers (Bentake, Carole, etc), and hasn't struggled so far.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 21, 2015 12:35:45 GMT
If MH rates Wolly why is he not playing.I know Muni is a very good player and no I don't want seven ft CBs .You need strengh in the prem check out the stats of forwards in the premAt 5ft 11 and 11 St is not big enoughSilver dollar is right we should go for Van Dyke from Celtic He only signed Wolly permanently this summer, of course he rate shim but Cameron and Muni did better pre-season
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 21, 2015 12:46:56 GMT
Out of the 7 CBs we have, the best one is out injured for the best part of the season;
so that leaves us with 6;
2 of them - the current pairing Muniesa and Cameron - are not proper CBs and could be extremely useful playing in other positions;
so that leaves us with 4;
2 of those 4 - Tex and Wolly - are as crap as crap can be and would only be fielded in the event of a cataclysmic emergency;
so that leaves us with 2;
out of those 2, 1 of them - Wilson - is not exactly rock solid and very prone to a fatal mistake every odd game and we are only hoping that he's fit and all in order to avert the catastrophic situation of having to field Wolly or, worse still, the completely useless Dionatan Teixeira, so I wouldn't say that an up-grade on Wilson wouldn't be welcome;
the 7th CB I honestly don't know who you're referring to
In view of the above I believe that yes, a good CB would definitely be a great addition to the squad. I would pinpoint Teixeira as the first one in the queue heading towards the exit door, followed closely by Sidwell and - sadly - by Odemwingie who looks to be rather surplus to requirements and who I don't believe will come back to his old self after a year out injured at his age
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2015 12:51:25 GMT
Why did we go ahead with Wolly's signing. Enough was seen last season to see he is a liability.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 21, 2015 12:53:40 GMT
Out of the 7 CBs we have, the best one is out injured for the best part of the season; so that leaves us with 6; 2 of them - the current pairing Muniesa and Cameron - are not proper CBs and could be extremely useful playing in other positions; so that leaves us with 4; 2 of those 4 - Tex and Wolly - are as crap as crap can be and would only be fielded in the event of a cataclysmic emergency; so that leaves us with 2; out of those 2, 1 of them - Wilson - is not exactly rock solid and very prone to a fatal mistake every odd game and we are only hoping that he's fit and all in order to avert the catastrophic situation of having to field Wolly or, worse still, the completely useless Dionatan Teixeira, so I wouldn't say that an up-grade on Wilson wouldn't be welcome; the 7th CB I honestly don't know who you're referring to In view of the above I believe that yes, a good CB would definitely be a great addition to the squad. I would pinpoint Teixeira as the first one in the queue heading towards the exit door, followed closely by Sidwell and - sadly - by Odemwingie who looks to be rather surplus to requirements and who I don't believe will come back to his old self after a year out injured at his age Muniesa absolutely is a proper centre back but agree we need someone in.
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Post by stokeyank on Aug 21, 2015 13:10:20 GMT
Out of the 7 CBs we have, the best one is out injured for the best part of the season; so that leaves us with 6; 2 of them - the current pairing Muniesa and Cameron - are not proper CBs and could be extremely useful playing in other positions; so that leaves us with 4; 2 of those 4 - Tex and Wolly - are as crap as crap can be and would only be fielded in the event of a cataclysmic emergency; so that leaves us with 2; out of those 2, 1 of them - Wilson - is not exactly rock solid and very prone to a fatal mistake every odd game and we are only hoping that he's fit and all in order to avert the catastrophic situation of having to field Wolly or, worse still, the completely useless Dionatan Teixeira, so I wouldn't say that an up-grade on Wilson wouldn't be welcome; the 7th CB I honestly don't know who you're referring to In view of the above I believe that yes, a good CB would definitely be a great addition to the squad. I would pinpoint Teixeira as the first one in the queue heading towards the exit door, followed closely by Sidwell and - sadly - by Odemwingie who looks to be rather surplus to requirements and who I don't believe will come back to his old self after a year out injured at his age Would love to know the definition of a "proper" CB. That is Muni's preferred position and he has done very well when played there more times than not. Cameron plays there for the US (I know not a ringing endorsement) so he knows the position and typically has been solid. Wilson drives me crazy with his mistakes but does perform most times and Wolly is still a bit of an unknown. Tex obviously is no where near what we need, maybe someday but I won't hold my breath. In two games against typically top 6 sides we have given up one goal that probably should have been shut down by the defense (a corner where a midfielder lost his man and a very good strike from Coutinho others). So far I think we have done well without Ryan.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 21, 2015 13:25:24 GMT
Out of the 7 CBs we have, the best one is out injured for the best part of the season; so that leaves us with 6; 2 of them - the current pairing Muniesa and Cameron - are not proper CBs and could be extremely useful playing in other positions; so that leaves us with 4; 2 of those 4 - Tex and Wolly - are as crap as crap can be and would only be fielded in the event of a cataclysmic emergency; so that leaves us with 2; out of those 2, 1 of them - Wilson - is not exactly rock solid and very prone to a fatal mistake every odd game and we are only hoping that he's fit and all in order to avert the catastrophic situation of having to field Wolly or, worse still, the completely useless Dionatan Teixeira, so I wouldn't say that an up-grade on Wilson wouldn't be welcome; the 7th CB I honestly don't know who you're referring to In view of the above I believe that yes, a good CB would definitely be a great addition to the squad. I would pinpoint Teixeira as the first one in the queue heading towards the exit door, followed closely by Sidwell and - sadly - by Odemwingie who looks to be rather surplus to requirements and who I don't believe will come back to his old self after a year out injured at his age Muniesa absolutely is a proper centre back but agree we need someone in. perhaps I did not explain myself well. By describing muni as not being a 'proper CB' I did not intend this to be a disparaging remark in Any way; on the contrary what I meant to say is that muni is not fixed to that one position as he is s Very versatile player who can perform admirably in other positions both in defence and midfield. Much the same applies to Geoff
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 21, 2015 13:50:07 GMT
We've got plenty of quality at CH even with Ryan out.
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 21, 2015 14:03:12 GMT
Muniesa absolutely is a proper centre back but agree we need someone in. perhaps I did not explain myself well. By describing muni as not being a 'proper CB' I did not intend this to be a disparaging remark in Any way; on the contrary what I meant to say is that muni is not fixed to that one position as he is s Very versatile player who can perform admirably in other positions both in defence and midfield. Much the same applies to Geoff So they shouldn't play as centre backs because they can play elsewhere? And I don't think Muni has ever played in midfield for us either.
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Post by britsabroad on Aug 21, 2015 15:36:44 GMT
Jonny Evans has got 1 year left on his deal. Nixon's making the point that he has already missed out on Everton (who are signing an Argentinian today instead) and West Brom (who are signing Fazio today instead) due to Man Utd playing silly buggers with the fee. Got to be a chance they'll get real before deadline day and Hughes will be waiting. Please take him He's great when he has a run of games. Two footed, good on the ball and reads the game well. When he's out of practice he's a liability, and he's never going to get enough games at Old Trafford.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 15:43:37 GMT
If MH rates Wolly why is he not playing.I know Muni is a very good player and no I don't want seven ft CBs .You need strengh in the prem check out the stats of forwards in the premAt 5ft 11 and 11 St is not big enoughSilver dollar is right we should go for Van Dyke from Celtic so why didn't you put it on that thread then instead of starting this one?
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Post by Gods on Aug 21, 2015 15:45:31 GMT
Why did we go ahead with Wolly's signing. Enough was seen last season to see he is a liability. That remains a question which no one is able to answer to my satisfaction. I think it is destined to forever be just 'one of those things'
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 21, 2015 15:48:50 GMT
Unless a centre back leaves we don't need another one.
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Post by Stokeontrent on Aug 21, 2015 16:07:45 GMT
Jonny Evans has got 1 year left on his deal. Nixon's making the point that he has already missed out on Everton (who are signing an Argentinian today instead) and West Brom (who are signing Fazio today instead) due to Man Utd playing silly buggers with the fee. Got to be a chance they'll get real before deadline day and Hughes will be waiting. Hes wank!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2015 16:10:54 GMT
Am I the only one seeing some potential in Tex? He has got decent pace, is good in the air and I must say I got a positive impression of him during preseason when played in central defence. I even thought he did quite well at left back after a very shaky start where his distribution was awful! I think with more games that he actually can do a very good job for us so don't write him off yet!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 16:32:18 GMT
We need a commanding centre half. All the one's we have outside of Ryan are not that type of player.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 21, 2015 16:56:11 GMT
Am I the only one seeing some potential in Tex? He has got decent pace, is good in the air and I must say I got a positive impression of him during preseason when played in central defence. I even thought he did quite well at left back after a very shaky start where his distribution was awful! I think with more games that he actually can do a very good job for us so don't write him off yet! He's similar to Justin Whittle, who also wouldn't have cut it at this level.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2015 16:58:51 GMT
Am I the only one seeing some potential in Tex? He has got decent pace, is good in the air and I must say I got a positive impression of him during preseason when played in central defence. I even thought he did quite well at left back after a very shaky start where his distribution was awful! I think with more games that he actually can do a very good job for us so don't write him off yet! He's similar to Justin Whittle, who also wouldn't have cut it at this level. I'm not so sure as you are on this one as I feel he would grow giving the chance. Maybe a loan to a Championship club would be the way to go here?
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 21, 2015 20:24:47 GMT
If MH rates Wolly why is he not playing.I know Muni is a very good player and no I don't want seven ft CBs .You need strengh in the prem check out the stats of forwards in the premAt 5ft 11 and 11 St is not big enoughSilver dollar is right we should go for Van Dyke from Celtic If MH shared that sentiment, he would have bought someone else and not Wollscheid. It's not like he didnt have ample opportunity to make his decision. The fact is we have more than enough capable centre halves but not enough places in the squad to merit signing ANOTHER unless a couple of defenders are on their way out. I am a bit bored of people saying Wollscheid needs replacing already. He was signed weeks ago, no manager in this world is going to replace anyone they just signed a few weeks ago for millions...
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 21, 2015 20:26:50 GMT
Out of the 7 CBs we have, the best one is out injured for the best part of the season; so that leaves us with 6; 2 of them - the current pairing Muniesa and Cameron - are not proper CBs and could be extremely useful playing in other positions; so that leaves us with 4; 2 of those 4 - Tex and Wolly - are as crap as crap can be and would only be fielded in the event of a cataclysmic emergency; so that leaves us with 2; out of those 2, 1 of them - Wilson - is not exactly rock solid and very prone to a fatal mistake every odd game and we are only hoping that he's fit and all in order to avert the catastrophic situation of having to field Wolly or, worse still, the completely useless Dionatan Teixeira, so I wouldn't say that an up-grade on Wilson wouldn't be welcome; the 7th CB I honestly don't know who you're referring to In view of the above I believe that yes, a good CB would definitely be a great addition to the squad. I would pinpoint Teixeira as the first one in the queue heading towards the exit door, followed closely by Sidwell and - sadly - by Odemwingie who looks to be rather surplus to requirements and who I don't believe will come back to his old self after a year out injured at his age If you would like to read the post again, the 7th CB would be the additional one the OP suggested... Admittedly, you gave a nice critique however, just because you personally dont like some of the options, where exactly are you fitting them in? Or do you want to just leave 3 or 4 players earning a big wage, out of the 25 doing fuck all for 4 months? As we have learned very well these last 7 years, getting rid of your unwanted players isn't exactly easy.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 21, 2015 20:30:35 GMT
Marc Muniesa outmuscled and outjumped the marauding behemoth that is Andy Carroll.
The suggestion that he isn't strong enough to be a Centre Back in the Premiership is complete and total unsubstantiated bollocks.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2015 20:34:47 GMT
Marc Muniesa outmuscled and outjumped the marauding behemoth that is Andy Carroll. The suggestion that he isn't strong enough to be a Centre Back in the Premiership is complete and total unsubstantiated bollocks. But got absolutely owned against Blackburn.
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