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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 18, 2015 7:01:41 GMT
It tells us literally nothing about Lescott. Maybe there's a reason he doesn't play for a Man City anymore? Maybe there's a reason he's at a club most fans would consider lower in the pecking order than ours? Maybe there's a reason he's surplus to requirements at that very club? I'd prefer to stick with what we've got for now and utilise the players we've already invested in. Obviously there's a reason he's not at Man City anymore. He's knocking on and they've improved on him. Doesn't mean he isn't good enough for us. He came 2nd in their player of the year award last season. Doesn't scream 'shit' does it?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 18, 2015 7:05:14 GMT
There are plenty of players lower in rhe pecking order who would improve our squad .
Redmond , Ritchie , Berhaino . Austin , Fer , Etc the bloke left city because he wanted to play and landed back next to where he started .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 7:07:36 GMT
Maybe there's a reason he doesn't play for a Man City anymore? Maybe there's a reason he's at a club most fans would consider lower in the pecking order than ours? Maybe there's a reason he's surplus to requirements at that very club? I'd prefer to stick with what we've got for now and utilise the players we've already invested in. Obviously there's a reason he's not at Man City anymore. He's knocking on and they've improved on him. Doesn't mean he isn't good enough for us. He came 2nd in their player of the year award last season. Doesn't scream 'shit' does it? I just don't think he'd improve us so it'd be a pointless signing in my opinion. We've got plenty of experience with the defenders already on our books so I don't buy that argument either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 7:08:58 GMT
There are plenty of players lower in rhe pecking order who would improve our squad . Redmond , Ritchie , Berhaino . Austin , Fer , Etc the bloke left city because he wanted to play and landed back next to where he started . Those players are on their way up, not down.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 18, 2015 7:09:15 GMT
Obviously there's a reason he's not at Man City anymore. He's knocking on and they've improved on him. Doesn't mean he isn't good enough for us. He came 2nd in their player of the year award last season. Doesn't scream 'shit' does it? I just don't think he'd improve us so it'd be a pointless signing in my opinion. We've got plenty of experience with the defenders already on our books so I don't buy that argument either. Experience among our centre backs is actually in pretty short supply as far as the Premier League goes and I don't feel we have a leader there.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 18, 2015 7:16:27 GMT
The Baggies message board will be an interesting read if Tone signs ANOTHER centre half Well they do need another full back
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 7:23:31 GMT
I just don't think he'd improve us so it'd be a pointless signing in my opinion. We've got plenty of experience with the defenders already on our books so I don't buy that argument either. Experience among our centre backs is actually in pretty short supply as far as the Premier League goes and I don't feel we have a leader there. Wilson has plenty of experience both in the Prem and internationally. Geoff has bags of experience, albeit mostly at full back, but he's adaptable and has plenty of international experience too. Muniesa has been eased in over the past couple of seasons and has gradually stepped up to the mark. Both the full backs are massively experienced too.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 18, 2015 7:30:49 GMT
Experience among our centre backs is actually in pretty short supply as far as the Premier League goes and I don't feel we have a leader there. Wilson has plenty of experience both in the Prem and internationally. Geoff has bags of experience, albeit mostly at full back, but he's adaptable and has plenty of international experience too. Muniesa has been eased in over the past couple of seasons and has gradually stepped up to the mark. Both the full backs are massively experienced too. But in terms of actual Premier League experience, none of our fit centre halves have much. Wilson is the closest we've got and he hasn't had a full season as a Prem centre half. Geoff's Prem centre back experience can be counted in single digits. Muni's amounts to a season and a bit. Wolly's is about six months, half of which was spent on the bench. It might not matter, but I'd feel better if we had an organiser and leader at the back.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 18, 2015 7:43:38 GMT
Wilson has plenty of experience both in the Prem and internationally. Geoff has bags of experience, albeit mostly at full back, but he's adaptable and has plenty of international experience too. Muniesa has been eased in over the past couple of seasons and has gradually stepped up to the mark. Both the full backs are massively experienced too. But in terms of actual Premier League experience, none of our fit centre halves have much. Wilson is the closest we've got and he hasn't had a full season as a Prem centre half. Geoff's Prem centre back experience can be counted in single digits. Muni's amounts to a season and a bit. Wolly's is about six months, half of which was spent on the bench. It might not matter, but I'd feel better if we had an organiser and leader at the back. no need for negativity even when you are right look on the brightside, there is an absolute killing to be made in the betting market on our games with both teams to score...
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 18, 2015 7:56:44 GMT
One season away from something a bit special i'd say, we're top heavy and light at the back, players need to gel and adjust to english football. Its a big ask for all that win us a trophy or finish 7th this season. Give us another summer and i think we'll look the part next year, in the meantime we are goibg to get a lot of points from a potential 3 and a fair few narrow defeats from a potential point. Cant help shawcross' injury but we will of had time to address it and bring in a proven centre mid. Both of which will cost us points until xmas
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Post by foster on Aug 18, 2015 8:03:37 GMT
Once our midfield is firing properly we won't need to worry about the defence.
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Post by george2again on Aug 18, 2015 9:28:55 GMT
This keeps coming up but the reality is that apart from a fit Shawcross there is a question mark about all our other 'centre halfs'. Wilson slow and prone to more than a few mistakes and penalties Muni - Pace and height. Wolly - everything, waste of a signing, must have been in loan contract surely? GCam - positioning and cover for midfield.
Been honest I'm only comfortable with Ryan and none of the others long term. A few injuries and were looking very weak in this position. Lescott makes a lot of sense.
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Post by geoffscott on Aug 18, 2015 9:54:20 GMT
Joleon Lescott would seem a perfect fit into our squad at just the right time.
You only have to look at our bench for the first two games and see with just one defender available this is an area we need to strengthen.
Capable of going straight in to the team and an abundance of experience at the highest level.
Certainly with Shawcross out, Lescott wouldn't weaken the first 11 and you would imagine his experience would be invaluable in helping develop the likes of Muniesa and Wollscheid.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2015 10:24:19 GMT
Isn't Fazio a bit erm, well.....shit? Isn't Lescott a bit erm, well....shit, also? I thought he was a bit of donkey. Brilliant defender in his prime. Still a very decent defender now.
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 18, 2015 12:33:41 GMT
Ideally we could do with a short term loan as a permanent signing would mean the someone would have to drop out as soon as Ryan came back in. The obvious choice being Wolly once Wilson is back and having just paid hard cash for him I'm not sure Hughes would do that.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 18, 2015 12:45:33 GMT
Hughes has four central defenders at his disposal whilst Ryan is out, including one he paid decent enough money for this very summer. If I was Coates/Scholes and he came looking for more money for a central defender, I would tell him he has to rely on the one he has just bought - or was that a mistake? Indeed, if he came looking for any more money right now for another player, whatever the position, I'd say that he has to trim the current bloated squad first.
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Post by themistocles on Aug 18, 2015 13:07:03 GMT
Hughes has four central defenders at his disposal whilst Ryan is out, including one he paid decent enough money for this very summer. If I was Coates/Scholes and he came looking for more money for a central defender, I would tell him he has to rely on the one he has just bought - or was that a mistake? Indeed, if he came looking for any more money right now for another player, whatever the position, I'd say that he has to trim the current bloated squad first. It doesn't matter if Hughes has 20 central defenders to chose from, if they arnt good enough hell be looking to strengthen there... Wolly was a mistake, either from Hughes who still wanted him after his loan, or the transfer teams who included an automatic purchase option after his loan .
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Post by YounginStoke on Aug 18, 2015 13:09:38 GMT
I find it incredible how people still think Muni isn't a top quality CB.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 18, 2015 13:11:59 GMT
Hughes has four central defenders at his disposal whilst Ryan is out, including one he paid decent enough money for this very summer. If I was Coates/Scholes and he came looking for more money for a central defender, I would tell him he has to rely on the one he has just bought - or was that a mistake? Indeed, if he came looking for any more money right now for another player, whatever the position, I'd say that he has to trim the current bloated squad first. It doesn't matter if Hughes has 20 central defenders to chose from, if they arnt good enough hell be looking to strengthen there... Wolly was a mistake, either from Hughes who still wanted him after his loan, or the transfer teams who included an automatic purchase option after his loan . It matters to the men in power - don't be surprised if Hughes is told that he has made his bed on the central defender front and will have to lie in it. Things could change if he can offload a couple - choose from Teixeira, Sidwell and Bardsley (all his buys, remember) or even Wilson (if no new contract is signed) - although I reckon that kind of upheaval unlikely with just two weeks left in the transfer window.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 13:16:49 GMT
It doesn't matter if Hughes has 20 central defenders to chose from, if they arnt good enough hell be looking to strengthen there... Wolly was a mistake, either from Hughes who still wanted him after his loan, or the transfer teams who included an automatic purchase option after his loan . It matters to the men in power - don't be surprised if Hughes is told that he has made his bed on the central defender front and will have to lie in it. Things could change if he can offload a couple - choose from Teixeira, Sidwell and Bardsley (all his buys, remember) or even Wilson (if no new contract is signed) - although I reckon that kind of upheaval unlikely with just 10 days left in the transfer window. You've got to be joking Jezza? Hughes has performed miracles in the transfer market thus far. His three centre half signings have cost a total of around 2.75M. One of which looks poor, one a superb prospect and one indifferent thus far. That's less than we paid for Sonko! Surely if he wants another one he won't be refused....especially since we are still in profit for the season?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 18, 2015 13:19:55 GMT
There are plenty of players lower in rhe pecking order who would improve our squad . Redmond , Ritchie , Berhaino . Austin , Fer , Etc the bloke left city because he wanted to play and landed back next to where he started . But not one of the 4 front/wide men would start ahead of Diouf, Arnie and Shaq and with Joselu, Wingy and Walters plus Moha in time, none are needed. Austin in particular would not fit in our system he has to play in a 2 up front. get has been relegated twice, has his moments but is poor defensively and an average passer at best...not required
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 18, 2015 13:21:16 GMT
It matters to the men in power - don't be surprised if Hughes is told that he has made his bed on the central defender front and will have to lie in it. Things could change if he can offload a couple - choose from Teixeira, Sidwell and Bardsley (all his buys, remember) or even Wilson (if no new contract is signed) - although I reckon that kind of upheaval unlikely with just 10 days left in the transfer window. You've got to be joking Jezza? Hughes has performed miracles in the transfer market thus far. His three centre half signings have cost a total of around 2.75M. One of which looks poor, one a superb prospect and one indifferent thus far. That's less than we paid for Sonko! Surely if he wants another one he won't be refused....especially since we are still in profit for the season? You forget wages, and squad space! We have 26 over-21s - we aren't going to sign and pay a few more of them to have two or three sitting in the stands unable to play until after January. I'm glad some of you are not in control of the club's purse strings - we'd be signing Peter Ridsdale's famous goldfish!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 18, 2015 13:24:15 GMT
It matters to the men in power - don't be surprised if Hughes is told that he has made his bed on the central defender front and will have to lie in it. Things could change if he can offload a couple - choose from Teixeira, Sidwell and Bardsley (all his buys, remember) or even Wilson (if no new contract is signed) - although I reckon that kind of upheaval unlikely with just 10 days left in the transfer window. You've got to be joking Jezza? Hughes has performed miracles in the transfer market thus far. His three centre half signings have cost a total of around 2.75M. One of which looks poor, one a superb prospect and one indifferent thus far. That's less than we paid for Sonko! Surely if he wants another one he won't be refused....especially since we are still in profit for the season? Wolly has just signed and Geoff and Muni have just extended and we have Texeira. That is 5 centre backs on the wage bill plus Ryan who we are still paying, 3 of whom have increased their wages in the last 6 months. If I was in charge of finances I wouldn't be spending another penny on a centre back without a big clear out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 13:58:26 GMT
You've got to be joking Jezza? Hughes has performed miracles in the transfer market thus far. His three centre half signings have cost a total of around 2.75M. One of which looks poor, one a superb prospect and one indifferent thus far. That's less than we paid for Sonko! Surely if he wants another one he won't be refused....especially since we are still in profit for the season? Wolly has just signed and Geoff and Muni have just extended and we have Texeira. That is 5 centre backs on the wage bill plus Ryan who we are still paying, 3 of whom have increased their wages in the last 6 months. If I was in charge of finances I wouldn't be spending another penny on a centre back without a big clear out. Yes we have 5 centre halves, or 4 if you count Cameron as a centre midfielder filling in. How many of those are commanding centre halves and how many are centre halves that play alongside a commanding centre half?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 18, 2015 14:39:27 GMT
This keeps coming up but the reality is that apart from a fit Shawcross there is a question mark about all our other 'centre halfs'. Wilson slow and prone to more than a few mistakes and penalties Muni - Pace and height. Wolly - everything, waste of a signing, must have been in loan contract surely? GCam - positioning and cover for midfield. Been honest I'm only comfortable with Ryan and none of the others long term. A few injuries and were looking very weak in this position. Lescott makes a lot of sense. Muniesa only needs games. If he can play 20 games without picking up an injury his body will become used to the rigours of regular football. If he does that, he will be an outstanding centre half and will earn us an absolute fortune when he moves on to bigger and better things. His size isn't an issue at all. He's got a great leap and he tackles like a tank. Sort fitness issues and positional discipline at key times and he's going to be awesome.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 18, 2015 18:01:35 GMT
Reports that West Brom’s key defender Joleon Lescott will sign a contract extension have been dismissed by sources close to the club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 18:03:25 GMT
nowt so queer as folk - I have always thought this fella a complete and utter donkey throughout his entire career way back to his Wolves days
would be disappointed if we ever signed him
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Post by mightyone on Aug 18, 2015 18:42:26 GMT
My only point in this thread as I've said a few times is this: yes we do have cover at centre half in , mini, Cameron, Wilson and woolly but can someone please pick me a leader with the capability of not just organising the back 4 but also can dish out commanding orders? Also I keep saying having the type of leader ryan is in front of Jack Butland can only also be beneficial to Jack. As always it's just how I see it WE NEED A LEADER.
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Post by mightyone on Aug 18, 2015 18:43:59 GMT
Yes I know it's not mini it's Marc Muni befor you all jump on me and my fat fingers ha ha
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Post by ayem on Aug 18, 2015 18:55:31 GMT
If we were looking at a rock the city signing at the back, I'd understand. But the team is fine where we're at. We look to score more goals this season than any other, and GD matters more than goals allowed. Our starters were Muniesa and Shawcross. Wolly was signed as cover for Muniesa, Cameron resigned as cover for Ryan among other positions. They started the transfer window sorting the defense. Shawcross is a huge loss, but one the team must've had eyes on knowing his back woes. I don't see a signing until January, and that's only if Ryan can't come back.
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