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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2015 8:39:36 GMT
The fact Walters and Wilson are the only ones not signed up yet, with just 10 months left, must mean there's a sizeable gap between the parties on how they see their role going forward here.
Can't rule out either being used as Pulis bait on this one.
With the contract situations factored in, would a straight swap in both cases work?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 8:39:52 GMT
It's easier to name the centre halves we have who are aren't better. Wilson, Wolly and Cameron aren't and I don't know if Muni is quite there yet either. You're right, that was pretty easy. Cameron and Muni are just fine in the middle, with Wilson as back up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 8:40:09 GMT
We don't need him, our defence is fine as it is. What that man said.
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 17, 2015 8:42:44 GMT
The commute would obviously be a major plus for him if he still does live that way. TP just does not like ball playing centre halves, of which I would class Lescott as being. He likes to distribute from the back and not just hoof it away. He is also not a man mountain. Also, I would not swap Wilson for him due to age and Wilson's complete versatility. Walters could make more sense, estimated especially if the contract negotiations have stalled over wages, as some have suggested. Lescott is fairly big. Granted Lord but McCauley and Olsson are bigger units by an inch or two and are better hoofers! What made me smile is the implosion on their board when some were expecting the 5'10" Chester to be their new centre half we know better.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2015 8:45:41 GMT
Thinking about it, if Wilson was involved in any deal, I would like a bit of cash coming our way too. He's 5 yrs younger than Lescott and quite obviously the best left-back in the league.
Walters - I think a straight swap would make sense.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 17, 2015 8:52:44 GMT
Is Lescott significantly better than Cameron, or Muniesa.... or even Wolly? Personally, I don' think so. Comfortably so. He's an excellent centre back. He's an excellent centre back? I think you're over egging the pudding slightly. Ryan is an excellent centre back and Lescott isn't even in the same league champ. Don't let your anti-Cameron bias turn your brain into porridge.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 17, 2015 8:54:18 GMT
Is Lescott significantly better than Cameron, or Muniesa.... or even Wolly? Personally, I don' think so. This is the plan:Buy Lescott, put him in defence. Put Cameron in midfield as the N'Zonzi replacement, and watch as the final piece of the jigsaw fits in; a colossus linking defence to attack, seamlessly and majestically.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 8:56:17 GMT
The fact Walters and Wilson are the only ones not signed up yet, with just 10 months left, must mean there's a sizeable gap between the parties on how they see their role going forward here. Can't rule out either being used as Pulis bait on this one. With the contract situations factored in, would a straight swap in both cases work? I would rather swap Crouch as I don't see him contributing anything on the pitch with the squad and it would be good to get him off the wage bill.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 8:59:27 GMT
Comfortably so. He's an excellent centre back. He's an excellent centre back? I think you're over egging the pudding slightly. Ryan is an excellent centre back and Lescott isn't even in the same league champ. Don't let your anti-Cameron bias turn your brain into porridge. Perhaps a move for Clint Hill too?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2015 9:01:06 GMT
The fact Walters and Wilson are the only ones not signed up yet, with just 10 months left, must mean there's a sizeable gap between the parties on how they see their role going forward here. Can't rule out either being used as Pulis bait on this one. With the contract situations factored in, would a straight swap in both cases work? I would rather swap Crouch as I don't see him contributing anything on the pitch with the squad and it would be good to get him off the wage bill. Yeah - although they have signed Lambert and not sure whether Crouch would be amenable to it? Joselu looks like swallowing up most of his minutes though which could mean a long 2 years of bench-sitting.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 17, 2015 9:02:57 GMT
He's an excellent centre back? I think you're over egging the pudding slightly. Ryan is an excellent centre back and Lescott isn't even in the same league champ. Don't let your anti-Cameron bias turn your brain into porridge. Perhaps a move for Clint Hill too? I think Frank Sinclair is still without a club. Edit: My mistake, he's signed for Brackley Town.
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Post by eddyclamp on Aug 17, 2015 9:09:18 GMT
Pulis know`s his centre halves , and this fella is out of the team for footballing reasons then he is one to be avoided.
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Post by go4stoke on Aug 17, 2015 9:10:24 GMT
did play for Man City when Mark Huges manager . go get him Mark watt we need ..
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 17, 2015 9:13:25 GMT
Comfortably so. He's an excellent centre back. He's an excellent centre back? I think you're over egging the pudding slightly. Ryan is an excellent centre back and Lescott isn't even in the same league champ. Don't let your anti-Cameron bias turn your brain into porridge. Excellent for years at Everton. Part of a title winning defence at Man City. England caps. Yeah, pretty happy with my original assessment thanks sport.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Aug 17, 2015 9:15:14 GMT
They're not here as fist choices but they should be good enough to fit in when needed, which is now. If Hughes doesn't have confidence in them fitting in, then what's the point in having them? To fill in here and there. Not to be relied on for any length of time. You don't sign players to just fill in on the odd occasion. You buy players to challenge for a place and these need to be players that should be capable to play for any stretch of time, otherwise they shouldn't be here at all. I'm not disagreeing with you in that the players we have may not be good enough but what I am saying is, Hughes surely has to think they're good enough to justify having them here. Let's not forget, Wollscheid has only just signed. If he isn't good enough then why are we signing a player to be fourth or fifth choice?
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Post by metalhead on Aug 17, 2015 9:16:58 GMT
He's an excellent centre back? I think you're over egging the pudding slightly. Ryan is an excellent centre back and Lescott isn't even in the same league champ. Don't let your anti-Cameron bias turn your brain into porridge. Excellent for years at Everton. Part of a title winning defence at Man City. England caps. Yeah, pretty happy with my original assessment thanks sport. Yeah, he was part of the England defence that got taken apart by Croatia. Top stuff. Now that we're judging everything on England caps, let's go out and sign David Nugent and maybe resign Michael Ricketts eh?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 17, 2015 9:17:40 GMT
To fill in here and there. Not to be relied on for any length of time. You don't sign players to just fill in on the odd occasion. You buy players to challenge for a place and these need to be players that should be capable to play for any stretch of time, otherwise they shouldn't be here at all. I'm not disagreeing with you in that the players we have may not be good enough but what I am saying is, Hughes surely has to think they're good enough to justify having them here. Let's not forget, Wollscheid has only just signed. If he isn't good enough then why are we signing a player to be fourth or fifth choice? If they're not good enough though what do we do? Accept that and hope for the best or try and correct that mistake?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 17, 2015 9:19:52 GMT
Excellent for years at Everton. Part of a title winning defence at Man City. England caps. Yeah, pretty happy with my original assessment thanks sport. Yeah, he was part of the England defence that got taken apart by Croatia. Top stuff. Now that we're judging everything on England caps, let's go out and sign David Nugent and maybe resign Michael Ricketts eh? I'm not judging it solely on that, I'm judging it on all of those things I mentioned that you've conveniently ignored. Also comparing two one cap wonders with a bloke who has 26 caps is fairly disingenuous as well.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2015 9:25:45 GMT
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Aug 17, 2015 9:34:08 GMT
Fallen out with Pulis for playing him fullback maybe..?
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 17, 2015 9:34:21 GMT
He's been played constantly out of position & has a manager who could fall out with himself in an empty room. I'm not sure that it does.
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2015 11:33:39 GMT
I wouldn't be unhappy with Lescott. Good player and an experienced head in front of Butland and alongside Muniesa. Don't think there's a cat in hell's chance of Pulis selling him to Stoke though.
It would be interesting to know if Stoke were in for Lescott before he decided to join Albion (there were rumours if I remember rightly) and what he thinks of his decision to join them now if we were...
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Post by steakandchips on Aug 17, 2015 11:45:37 GMT
I wouldn't be unhappy with Lescott. Good player and an experienced head in front of Butland and alongside Muniesa. Don't think there's a cat in hell's chance of Pulis selling him to Stoke though. It would be interesting to know if Stoke were in for Lescott before he decided to join Albion (there were rumours if I remember rightly) and what he thinks of his decision to join them now if we were... Tone would do anything to link up with his foster-son Jon again.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2015 11:51:24 GMT
Jonno Totally agree a swap with Wilson on that basis seems daft but in general he would be a great addition and like Johnson you don't get to play where he has By being a numpty I wouldn't entertain swapping him for Wilson, but as part of a deal for Walters I'd snap their hand off.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 17, 2015 11:52:24 GMT
I really can't see us signing another centre back even with Shawcross out for a few months but if Lescott is available and the deal is right then I'd like to see it happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 11:58:01 GMT
Signed a new deal according to Twitter 8mins ago.
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Post by mightyone on Aug 17, 2015 12:13:13 GMT
How I see it is this. All the players standing in for Ryan are without doubt doing a outstanding job and it's easy to see why people are saying we don't need a new CB. Well for me standing in means for a few games here and there but in all honesty while Ryan is out I really feel we need a leader (as ryan is) and is it really only going to be 3 months after back surgery? I don't know. When I watch the so called stand ins I honestly don't see a leader (my opinion) and with Jack Butland relitivly in-experience of the premier league (I do trust him 100%) we need that commanding figure in front of him as well. Again people this is how I personally see it so in my opinion we really do need a new centre half whoever that may be with names already mentioned on this thread.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 17, 2015 12:17:20 GMT
West Brom defender Joleon Lescott has agreed a new deal to extend his stay at The Hawthorns, according to HITC Sport.
Lescott's future has been the subject of speculation in recent weeks after Aston Villa reportedly submitted a bid for the former England defender.
The 32-year-old is currently in the final year of his contract at Albion after signing a two-year deal when joining the club from Manchester City last summer.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 17, 2015 12:22:07 GMT
Thinking about it, if Wilson was involved in any deal, I would like a bit of cash coming our way too. He's 5 yrs younger than Lescott and quite obviously the best left-back in the league. Walters - I think a straight swap would make sense. This is how I see it too. Wilson's worth about what we paid for him I reckon- £4 million or so. I hope we hang on to him as back-up. Lescott could slot in alongside Muniesa, freeing up Cameron for a midfield spt and back up RB. Sill got 12-18 months in him I reckon, and I'd take the straight swap for SJW if we can get it done,(possibly a bit of cash coming our way?). With Odemwingie around, we do have some cover for Shaqiri, so I think we can afford to let Walters go.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 17, 2015 12:23:27 GMT
I really can't see us signing another centre back even with Shawcross out for a few months but if Lescott is available and the deal is right then I'd like to see it happen. 'a few months"? I remember SCFC saying Huth would be back on Boxing Day? They were right! It was just the Boxing Day 12 months later! I'd be very wary of medical prognoses. They're always over optimistic. Why? Because they don't want to discourage, worry, depress their patients. It is quite possible we won't see Ryan this season!
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