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Post by savagescfc on Aug 17, 2015 10:16:21 GMT
Don't agree with that IMO. Cameron's being playing excellent. Massively at fault for the second goal today and Wilson is just a better defender in general. I'm not Cameron's biggest fan tbh but I don't think he was at fault for the 2nd goal. Johnson was totally out of position and GCam had to come out of position to cover. Unfortunately no one covered the gap he left.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 17, 2015 10:52:15 GMT
It's amazing that many (including myself) had wrote Ireland off! Shows what competition can do for players. Most of us seem to be in agreement on the front four, then its just Affelay or MVG... Butters Johnson Cameron Muni Pieters Whelan MVG/Affelay Shaq Ireland Arnie Diouf conpletely in agreement. I'd go for MVG next to whelan
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 17, 2015 13:04:15 GMT
Most of the teams picked above are pretty much the same, save for who will partner Glenn in the middle. Afellay has the technique, but maybe not the legs to be the box-to-boxer we need in that spot; MVG has the legs, but maybe not the nous, and seems to run down dead ends and lose possession too cheaply at times, Adam is not mobile or fast enough, is a terrible tackler and sometimes tries to be too Hollywood in his shooting/passing, but can produce a moment of magic with his left boot to change a game.
For me MVG shows the most promise, but we need to give him time to settle behind a number 10 (Ireland/then Bojan) in a 4-2-3-1. The 4-1-4-1 seems to give him too much licence to roam, which he has taken and left us short at times. If Ireland/Bojan is in front of him, maybe that will limit him a touch in going forward, but mean he is more often in the thick of it when we need him to cover, hold the ball and defend. If he develops more of an understanding of what is required of him, when to stay, when to go, he could well do a very good job in there.
Diouf just keeps the front man role for me - away from home his pace on the counter could prove vital.
As for Shaq, he HAS to start. 12m quid, fit as a butcher's dog.....let him loose.
Butland
Johnson Cameron Muniesa Pieters
Whelan Van Ginkel
Shaqiri Ireland Arnautovic
Diouf
Subs: Given, Wilson, Sidwell, Adam, Walters, Crouch, Joselu
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 17, 2015 13:08:21 GMT
Most of the teams picked above are pretty much the same, save for who will partner Glenn in the middle. Afellay has the technique, but maybe not the legs to be the box-to-boxer we need in that spot; MVG has the legs, but maybe not the nous, and seems to run down dead ends and lose possession too cheaply at times, Adam is not mobile or fast enough, is a terrible tackler and sometimes tries to be too Hollywood in his shooting/passing, but can produce a moment of magic with his left boot to change a game. For me MVG shows the most promise, but we need to give him time to settle behind a number 10 (Ireland/then Bojan) in a 4-2-3-1. The 4-1-4-1 seems to give him too much licence to roam, which he has taken and left us short at times. If Ireland/Bojan is in front of him, maybe that will limit him a touch in going forward, but mean he is more often in the thick of it when we need him to cover, hold the ball and defend. If he develops more of an understanding of what is required of him, when to stay, when to go, he could well do a very good job in there. Diouf just keeps the front man role for me - away from home his pace on the counter could prove vital. As for Shaq, he HAS to start. 12m quid, fit as a butcher's dog.....let him loose. Butland Johnson Cameron Muniesa Pieters Whelan Van Ginkel Shaqiri Ireland Arnautovic Diouf Subs: Given, Wilson, Sidwell, Adam, Walters, Crouch, Joselu I agree with every word of that but I'd have Afellay on the bench instead of Sidwell or Walters, probably Walters.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 17, 2015 13:13:08 GMT
I think either Aff or MVG can do a job alongside Whelan
The interesting dilemma for me, is assuming Shaq and Arnie start and Ireland is given his chance, then we lose the, what looked like it could be bloody effective, partnership of Diouf and Joselu who I thought combined well and Joselu hold up play was very good bringing Ireland and Arnie much more in to the game
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Post by upthefud on Aug 17, 2015 13:14:59 GMT
Butland Johnson Cameron Munisea Pieters Whelan Adam Shaqiri Ireland Arnie Diouf Joselu deserves to start but Can't fit him in. Adam is the only one you could argue about but Van Ginkel and Affelay both had off days today and perhaps need more time to get up to speed. One of the best things about Hughes is that he operates a meritocracy so given that the above side virtually picks itself. Nail on the head, saved me typing.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2015 13:15:51 GMT
Massively at fault for the second goal today and Wilson is just a better defender in general. I'm not Cameron's biggest fan tbh but I don't think he was at fault for the 2nd goal. Johnson was totally out of position and GCam had to come out of position to cover. Unfortunately no one covered the gap he left. The cross came in from the spurs left back. How was Johnson at fault. By definition he was Walters man. Walters hesitated, gave Davies the run and the goal came from that split second lapse in concentration.
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Post by Northy on Aug 17, 2015 13:18:42 GMT
Could be an exciting game Butland Cameron Muniesa Pieters Whelan Shaqiri Ireland Afellay Diouf Joselu Odemwingie Maybe something more conservative
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 13:24:56 GMT
Butland
Johnson Cameron Muniesa Pieters
Whelan van Ginkel
Shaqiri Ireland Arnautovic
Diouf
Subs: Given, Wilson, Adam, Afellay, Walters, Joselu, Crouch
Nice balance to that team with plenty of attacking options on the bench .......
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Post by kevkj on Aug 17, 2015 13:29:02 GMT
Is it me or are we playing more of a 4-1-4-1 with just Whelan holding as last year we seemed to be 4-2-3-1 with both Nzonzi and Whelan deep.
For me i would play
Butland Johnson Cameron Muniesa Pieters Whelan Van Ginkle Shaq Ireland Arnie Diuof
Van Ginkle very lucky to get another chance its just i would never pick Adam away from home .Diouf for me is also an away player and Joselu and Adam at home when teams sit back more.
Loads on bench for any non performers.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 17, 2015 13:32:56 GMT
Most of the teams picked above are pretty much the same, save for who will partner Glenn in the middle. Afellay has the technique, but maybe not the legs to be the box-to-boxer we need in that spot; MVG has the legs, but maybe not the nous, and seems to run down dead ends and lose possession too cheaply at times, Adam is not mobile or fast enough, is a terrible tackler and sometimes tries to be too Hollywood in his shooting/passing, but can produce a moment of magic with his left boot to change a game. For me MVG shows the most promise, but we need to give him time to settle behind a number 10 (Ireland/then Bojan) in a 4-2-3-1. The 4-1-4-1 seems to give him too much licence to roam, which he has taken and left us short at times. If Ireland/Bojan is in front of him, maybe that will limit him a touch in going forward, but mean he is more often in the thick of it when we need him to cover, hold the ball and defend. If he develops more of an understanding of what is required of him, when to stay, when to go, he could well do a very good job in there. Diouf just keeps the front man role for me - away from home his pace on the counter could prove vital. As for Shaq, he HAS to start. 12m quid, fit as a butcher's dog.....let him loose. Butland Johnson Cameron Muniesa Pieters Whelan Van Ginkel Shaqiri Ireland Arnautovic Diouf Subs: Given, Wilson, Sidwell, Adam, Walters, Crouch, Joselu I agree with every word of that but I'd have Afellay on the bench instead of Sidwell or Walters, probably Walters. Oops - missed him out......I'd have him on the bench ahead of Sidwell personally, now I come to think of it. SJW can still harry and hassle enough to be an effective bench option. Sidwell's sleep walking through his time on the pitch v Liverpool still grates.....
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Post by boz on Aug 17, 2015 13:34:29 GMT
Butland Johnson Cameron Muni Eric Whelan Adam Shaq Affelay/Ireland Arnie Diouf
Given Wilson Mvg Aff/Ireland Walters Joselu Crouch
Sitting on the fence over Affelay or Ireland ????
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Post by YounginStoke on Aug 17, 2015 13:45:26 GMT
Butland Johnson Cameron Muni Pieters Whelan MVG Arnie Ireland Shaq Diouf
Revert back to 4-2-3-1, simple
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2015 14:06:53 GMT
I'm not Cameron's biggest fan tbh but I don't think he was at fault for the 2nd goal. Johnson was totally out of position and GCam had to come out of position to cover. Unfortunately no one covered the gap he left. The cross came in from the spurs left back. How was Johnson at fault. Because Johnson should have been marking Erikssen and Davies at the same time, despite them being thirty yards apart.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 17, 2015 14:27:35 GMT
I agree with every word of that but I'd have Afellay on the bench instead of Sidwell or Walters, probably Walters. Oops - missed him out......I'd have him on the bench ahead of Sidwell personally, now I come to think of it. SJW can still harry and hassle enough to be an effective bench option. Sidwell's sleep walking through his time on the pitch v Liverpool still grates..... The worry for me there would be, how forward heavy the bench would be, Wilson would be the only outfield player on the bench who wasnt an attacking midfielder, winger or striker. It's going to be interesting to see how Hughes addresses this, I'm not at all sure what's going to happen if Whelan gets injured.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 17, 2015 14:28:34 GMT
Affelay next to whelan with jonhson at right back. Fuck me they are good enough at attacking without handing it them on a plate.
We will need to score 3 to win if we don't sort the back out
Both teams to score is a banker
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 17, 2015 14:35:13 GMT
Norwich have hit the ground running as a continuation from last season, they are gelled, lost no players and they were a good team last season, we havn't even gelled yet . For me we need some steel for this one both in midfield and defence if we are to get a good result. Norwich are going to cause a lot of teams problems until the enivitable suspensions and injuries
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2015 14:36:27 GMT
Norwich have hit the ground running as a continuation from last season, they are gelled, lost no players and they were a good team last season, we havn't even gelled yet . For me we need some steel for this one both in midfield and defence if we are to get a good result. Norwich are going to cause a lot of teams problems until the enivitable suspensions and injuries Remind us of their first result of the season would you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 14:37:33 GMT
Norwich have hit the ground running as a continuation from last season, they are gelled, lost no players and they were a good team last season, we havn't even gelled yet . For me we need some steel for this one both in midfield and defence if we are to get a good result. Norwich are going to cause a lot of teams problems until the enivitable suspensions and injuries They played a God awful Sunderland side. I wouldn't go overboard although I fully expect them to be solid and competitive this season.....
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 17, 2015 14:38:38 GMT
What has affelay done exactly to warrant a place in centre mid?
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2015 14:41:09 GMT
What has affelay done exactly to warrant a place in centre mid? Wrong answer.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 17, 2015 14:41:45 GMT
Norwich have hit the ground running as a continuation from last season, they are gelled, lost no players and they were a good team last season, we havn't even gelled yet . For me we need some steel for this one both in midfield and defence if we are to get a good result. Norwich are going to cause a lot of teams problems until the enivitable suspensions and injuries Remind us of their first result of the season would you? very unlucky read the reports. We seem to think we can just stick anyone anywhere and win. Affelay looks to be adjusting to english football, dire last game, now he warrants a place at centre mid. Unbelievable
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 17, 2015 14:45:33 GMT
Butland
Johnson Cameron Munisea Pieters
Whelan Van Ginkel
Shaqiri Ireland Arnie
Joselu
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2015 14:47:17 GMT
Butland Johnson Cameron Munisea Pieters Whelan Van Ginkel Shaqiri Ireland Arnie Joselu Drop Diouf? Seriously?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 17, 2015 14:52:10 GMT
Don't agree with that IMO. Cameron's being playing excellent. Massively at fault for the second goal today and Wilson is just a better defender in general. Was he fuck. Is he fuck.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 17, 2015 14:53:53 GMT
All these permutations flying around, makes it feel very Boskamp-esque ..... If we go with all the attacking flair at our disposable we could very easily put out a sexy 2-0-8 formation !!!!! Jose 'The Special One' Mourinho my arse !!!!! Viva Mark Hughes
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 17, 2015 14:54:32 GMT
Butland Johnson Cameron Munisea Pieters Whelan Van Ginkel Shaqiri Ireland Arnie Joselu Drop Diouf? Seriously? Yep, Joselu is better at holding the ball up (from what little I've seen, also not Dioufs game.) and bring players in, the game changed with him and Ireland, I also think he would have scored one of the sitters, I think its time to give him a chance. Edit: I'd like to add I don't think Diouf was shit the other day, before people start saying I hate him blah blah, just a bit hit and miss.
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Post by robrigo on Aug 17, 2015 14:58:43 GMT
Butland Johnson Cameron Munisea Pieters Whelan Van Ginkel Shaqiri Ireland Arnie Joselu Drop Diouf? Seriously?
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2015 15:02:21 GMT
Yes robrigo, I was speechless as well.
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Post by robrigo on Aug 17, 2015 15:03:33 GMT
I'd go with Boskamps team except for Diouf, who i think we get the nod and probably deservedly so. However I also think Joselu is going to be a great signing for us. Diouf is going to have is work cut out fending him off.
I don't think shaq will start, he will start walters for this game and this game only. Shaq will come on and then our Jon will struggle to get in again. I expext him to be gone either this window or January. What a player has been for us. Crouchy will struggle to get gametime also.
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