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Post by st4scfc on Aug 4, 2015 20:45:42 GMT
Since just about everyone had his say on this particular subject must as well give my tiny contribution too I do not adhere to the 'we should never have sold Huth' theory. Huth has given a massive contribution to this club and we are all thankful for it BUT I can see why he did not form part of Hughes' plans for the way he wants to mould our team. A football manager has every right to have a project for the team and to shape the team according to his football philosophy and a rock solid centre half who is not so capable in the distribution side of the game was not part of Hughes' plans. I accept that and I also concur. What I do not agree with is replacing him with a central defender who may be more capable in distributing the ball but who is completely lacking in pace and solid defending. There are so many better centre halfs we could have aimed for perhaps for a higher price but it would certainly have been an important investment for such a key position in the team, especially with Ryan's back problems don't panic we have signed a right back with 50 england caps to help out in the the make shift defence. He likes to spend most of his time in the other half of the field like and is commonly thought of as poor defensivly but at least he has 50 england caps
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2015 20:46:39 GMT
I see we have another 'new poster'.
Tazi is that you?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2015 21:38:41 GMT
Since just about everyone had his say on this particular subject must as well give my tiny contribution too I do not adhere to the 'we should never have sold Huth' theory. Huth has given a massive contribution to this club and we are all thankful for it BUT I can see why he did not form part of Hughes' plans for the way he wants to mould our team. A football manager has every right to have a project for the team and to shape the team according to his football philosophy and a rock solid centre half who is not so capable in the distribution side of the game was not part of Hughes' plans. I accept that and I also concur. What I do not agree with is replacing him with a central defender who may be more capable in distributing the ball but who is completely lacking in pace and solid defending. There are so many better centre halfs we could have aimed for perhaps for a higher price but it would certainly have been an important investment for such a key position in the team, especially with Ryan's back problems don't panic we have signed a right back with 50 england caps to help out in the the make shift defence. He likes to spend most of his time in the other half of the field like and is commonly thought of as poor defensivly but at least he has 50 england caps Don't forget our German International CB, according to some posters he will earn more full international caps soon, in fact I must change my stance considering the fantastic cover we now have, we will win the FA Cup easily and qualify for the Champions League no problem, all is rosy off to join the happy clappy brigade.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 4, 2015 22:05:25 GMT
Only one man can answer this question and he should , hopefully his signings will prove our worries unfounded but given that ryans problem was known last season and huth did so well for Leicester it rell does seem a bizzarre one , we have no leader at the back without shawcross as far a i can see
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2015 22:11:41 GMT
Only one man can answer this question and he should , hopefully his signings will prove our worries unfounded but given that ryans problem was known last season and huth did so well for Leicester it rell does seem a bizzarre one , we have no leader at the back without shawcross as far a i can see Agree he should but will he ?, there needs to be a reason that is rational for this totally bizarre decision, why put ourselves in this position very odd.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 4, 2015 22:14:13 GMT
statistics are interesting things to quote , we let some really stupid goals in last season but we did not get any real hidings which we did in previous seasons so no doubt overall it was a fine defensive record , our offensive game improved a lot which took a lot of pressure off the defence compared to previous years ,i still say take ryan out of that side for any period and that defence looks weak to me . Blackburn away certainly springs to mind , you need at least one leader at the back
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Post by Davef on Aug 4, 2015 22:21:51 GMT
Blackburn, Blackburn, Blackburn.... For crying out loud, how long are we going to keep banging that drum?
Yeah, it was a bitterly disappointing day, probably one of the lowest days in recent seasons, but these things happen. Bradford put four past Chelsea in the FA Cup at Stamford Bridge!
From that point on we conceded less than a goal a game and three of the 12 we conceded were down to utter calamities by Asmir Begovic.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2015 22:23:41 GMT
Same few, spreading the same shit, Over and over and over.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 4, 2015 22:26:10 GMT
STILL?????
Isn't it time for this one to go bye byes?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2015 22:31:04 GMT
We had a Blackburn game we played under a different manager used to make a point on this board earlier today.
Blackburn, Blackburn indeed!
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Post by Sfance on Aug 4, 2015 22:33:27 GMT
You'd think they'd get sick of hearing themselves . . . . over and over and over and over and over again.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2015 22:35:42 GMT
We had a Blackburn game we played under a different manager used to make a point on this board earlier today. Blackburn, Blackburn indeed! Like I said wounded schoolgirl, head up. We know we moved onto better things, he's not worth it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2015 22:39:02 GMT
We had a Blackburn game we played under a different manager used to make a point on this board earlier today. Blackburn, Blackburn indeed! Like I said wounded schoolgirl, head up. We know we moved onto better things, he's not worth it. Oh you don't need to explain it to me fullback you hypocritical spunk cloth. Some Blackburn games are fair game. Some are not.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2015 22:41:51 GMT
Like I said wounded schoolgirl, head up. We know we moved onto better things, he's not worth it. Oh you don't need to explain it to me fullback you hypocritical spunk cloth. Some Blackburn games are fair game. Some are not. Step 1 - Denial. Step 2 - Name calling. We're moving in the right direction, head up buddy.
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Post by Davef on Aug 4, 2015 22:41:40 GMT
Like I said wounded schoolgirl, head up. We know we moved onto better things, he's not worth it. Oh you don't need to explain it to me fullback you hypocritical spunk cloth. Some Blackburn games are fair game. Some are not. Was it me who mentioned the Blackburn game from seven years ago? I couldn't care less about that. Ancient history.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2015 22:42:26 GMT
Fucked up decision. Always was, always will be.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2015 22:43:05 GMT
Oh you don't need to explain it to me fullback you hypocritical spunk cloth. Some Blackburn games are fair game. Some are not. Step 1 - Denial. Step 2 - Name calling. We're moving in the right direction, head up buddy. Night Spiderman.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2015 22:46:15 GMT
Oh you don't need to explain it to me fullback you hypocritical spunk cloth. Some Blackburn games are fair game. Some are not. Was it me who mentioned the Blackburn game from seven years ago? I couldn't care less about that. Ancient history. No dave but it was brought up by others playing the exasperated oh one game card on this thread and anyway, Blackburn's not the game I worry about. He was ruthlessly exposed in that game but also hung out to dry by his teammates, who hid whilst he was getting roasted. The one man Sunderland meltdown littered with at least 6 catastrophic unforced errors is the game that continues to haunt me!
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2015 22:50:58 GMT
Step 1 - Denial. Step 2 - Name calling. We're moving in the right direction, head up buddy. Night Spiderman. Better luck tomorrow victor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 22:51:59 GMT
Ric, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2015 22:52:36 GMT
Better luck tomorrow victor. Perhaps you could try to be a vale fan tomorrow, fullback. You certainly have a lot of the attributes.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2015 22:57:29 GMT
Better luck tomorrow victor. Perhaps you could try to be a vale fan tomorrow, fullback. You certainly have a lot of the attributes. Aren't these posts defamatory? Know when you're beaten Vic. Good night my sweet prince.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 4, 2015 23:01:31 GMT
Right, since some people are so insistent on passive aggressively slagging off Hughes through this endlessly boring argument; why don't we try to turn it into something constructive.
What are you going to do / what would you do about it? Either in real terms, or even just describing it hypothetically.
As it stands it's just incessant moaning, and it comes across as though you're doing it to have the final say should it collapse around us. If that's not right, why are you doing it? Who are you trying to persuade or convince that we're up shit creek? Why?
It's not that I don't tolerate your right to your opinion it's that I'm genuinely fucking stumped as to understanding the motivation behind this campaign.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2015 23:10:31 GMT
Perhaps you could try to be a vale fan tomorrow, fullback. You certainly have a lot of the attributes. Aren't these posts defamatory? . Not in any dictionary definition I'm aware of fullback.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2015 23:11:23 GMT
Right, since some people are so insistent on passive aggressively slagging off Hughes through this endlessly boring argument; why don't we try to turn it into something constructive. What are you going to do / what would you do about it? Either in real terms, or even just describing it hypothetically. As it stands it's just incessant moaning, and it comes across as though you're doing it to have the final say should it collapse around us. If that's not right, why are you doing it? Who are you trying to persuade or convince that we're up shit creek? Why? It's not that I don't tolerate your right to your opinion it's that I'm genuinely fucking stumped as to understanding the motivation behind this campaign. Fans get passionate about club shocker. It has nothing to do with supporting the team or wanting to be proved right, its about having strong views on the club and team. Most supporters who went to Cologne have been pretty harsh on the efforts of the team on the pitch, far harsher than those who didn't go but it didn't affect their support at the game did it?
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2015 23:16:31 GMT
Aren't these posts defamatory? . Not in any dictionary definition I'm aware of fullback. It's harmful and untrue and you're trying to discredit my views. I know you can't let go of anything but you're embarrassing yourself here Vic. (
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 4, 2015 23:20:47 GMT
So there legitimately is nothing more in it than moaning for the sake of moaning? I'm still struggling to understand what people are getting out of saying "we shouldn't have sold Huth" 80 times a day; I'm not childish enough to believe it's really for masochistic enjoyment.
Surely you can appreciate why people are getting pissed off at having optimism dashed repeatedly, when nothing in Coates Mk 2's or Hughes' time here so far suggest they'd be as amateur as is being made out.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Aug 5, 2015 3:57:31 GMT
Like RAF I tend to despair at the suggestion selling a player who hadn't played for two seasons was a mistake when the players brought in to replace him conspired to produce our best finishing position, most points won and lowest goals conceded without parking the fucking bus in our Premier League history. Give it a rest. Are you confident with our current defensive situation as we go into the new season then? Why wouldn't I be? The evidence is as stated, I'm not going to run around knocking Huth who has been magnificent for the club. However, time has moved on, the team has moved on and very successfully so. Time for a few supporters to do likewise some of whom seem to have forgotten how long we have been without a fit Huth, how well we have done without him and how the requirements for our defensive players has evolved.
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 5, 2015 4:08:39 GMT
Are you confident with our current defensive situation as we go into the new season then? Why wouldn't I be? The evidence is as stated, I'm not going to run around knocking Huth who has been magnificent for the club. However, time has moved on, the team has moved on and very successfully so. Time for a few supporters to do likewise some of whom seem to have forgotten how long we have been without a fit Huth, how well we have done without him and how the requirements for our defensive players has evolved. Ryan was part of that evolution as Captain and leader, and I am afraid we might struggle without a leader at the back, especially having a new goalkeeper as well. I think it was a mistake selling Huth, considering who he was replaced with; however, I will back our manager and our lads. Sad to see him play for another club though, he knows how to lead at the back. And Score...
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 5, 2015 5:32:06 GMT
Why wouldn't I be? The evidence is as stated, I'm not going to run around knocking Huth who has been magnificent for the club. However, time has moved on, the team has moved on and very successfully so. Time for a few supporters to do likewise some of whom seem to have forgotten how long we have been without a fit Huth, how well we have done without him and how the requirements for our defensive players has evolved. Ryan was part of that evolution as Captain and leader, and I am afraid we might struggle without a leader at the back, especially having a new goalkeeper as well. I think it was a mistake selling Huth, considering who he was replaced with; however, I will back our manager and our lads. Sad to see him play for another club though, he knows how to lead at the back. And Score... Again We lost our captain for a period last season and we coped well with the situation then, why not now? I suppose it's easier to moan and wet yer knickers before actually recalling the recent past and having a little more confidence in our players and staff.
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