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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2015 15:16:04 GMT
I can see Odemwingie quietly exiting stage right.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 15:24:07 GMT
I wouldn't automatically assume Arnie will start now Affelay has signed and if we get a new winger. For sure but he'll be on the bench if he doesn't start.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jul 30, 2015 15:24:52 GMT
The Wolly signing isn't half going to look strange if he's regularly struggling to make the 18. Suppose time will tell. Hughes might have different ideas. The Wilson non-re-signing is maybe one to watch - but if he did go anywhere, we'd certainly need to buy a left-back. Wilson coming on ahead of Wollscheid in the Liverpool game was remarkable really. Left me thinking we'd already effectively done the deal for him in January.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 15:26:23 GMT
I can see Odemwingie quietly exiting stage right. Has it ever been established what sort of new contract Odemwingie has been given?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 30, 2015 15:28:02 GMT
I can see Odemwingie quietly exiting stage right. Has it ever been established what sort of new contract Odemwingie has been given? Thought it was a year with an option of a second, Paul.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 30, 2015 15:30:45 GMT
Can't see Ireland not making the bench either, he's the best back up to Bojan.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 15:36:02 GMT
That's it folks, keep writing off Walters. The summer wouldn't be the same without this Oatcake feature. It's not about writing off Walters but rather (regardless of what you think about the player), being objective about the question and coming up with a pragmatic response. Hughes has just signed Affelay and is going balls out to sign a big money right winger, if he gets that player, then it's going to be hard to find a place on the bench for Jon, never mind a starting spot. He's only got a year left on his contract and there doesn't seem any great rush to give him the extension that he's after, so all things being equal, it wouldn't be a great surprise if he left, would it? That's not writing him off but simply honestly looking at the situation. He might stay but in terms of who is actually most likely to leave, he makes a pretty compelling candidate. Hughes clearly rates him, he's versatile and does a lot of work for the team that still goes unnoticed. Is Hughes going to let one of his trusted first teamers drift out of the squad or go for peanuts? It's interesting that you've put Afellay behind Arnie in the pecking order. Do you really think he'd turn down offers to come and sit on our bench? Once he's up to speed he's in.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 30, 2015 15:36:52 GMT
I can see Odemwingie quietly exiting stage right. Has it ever been established what sort of new contract Odemwingie has been given? Bearing in mind he said himself (only yesterday) that it would be a couple of months before he was fully fit, I don't think he'll figure at all (particularly when a new winger arrives). Not sure when the loan window closes for Championship Clubs but a loan has to be a possibility for him. It looks more and more like the club simply 'doing the right thing by him' with his contract extension and I wouldn't knock the club for that. Just think it's getting harder and harder to see him figuring for us. With regard to Walters, the obvious conclusion is that it's going to be tough for him and he might well make the decision himself if he gets a good offer elsewhere. However, I can't help but recall the times that Chelsea signed 'better, players to replace Dennis Wise but none of them ever did. Who knows?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 15:46:36 GMT
It's not about writing off Walters but rather (regardless of what you think about the player), being objective about the question and coming up with a pragmatic response. Hughes has just signed Affelay and is going balls out to sign a big money right winger, if he gets that player, then it's going to be hard to find a place on the bench for Jon, never mind a starting spot. He's only got a year left on his contract and there doesn't seem any great rush to give him the extension that he's after, so all things being equal, it wouldn't be a great surprise if he left, would it? That's not writing him off but simply honestly looking at the situation. He might stay but in terms of who is actually most likely to leave, he makes a pretty compelling candidate. Hughes clearly rates him, he's versatile and does a lot of work for the team that still goes unnoticed. Is Hughes going to let one of his trusted first teamers drift out of the squad or go for peanuts? It's interesting that you've put Afellay behind Arnie in the pecking order. Do you really think he'd turn down offers to come and sit on our bench? Once he's up to speed he's in. You can't have an infinite number of players in your match day squad and Hughes is bringing in new players who play in the position Walters plays in - it's simple mathematics. Whichever way round Affelay and Arnie are in the pecking order is irrelevant to the question, neither will be leaving this summer and both will be above Jon in the pecking order next season, if he's still here. That's not a slight on Walters, it just is what it is.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2015 15:46:33 GMT
From recent posts any one from the following: Bayern (unless he comes to the conclusion that he is an idiot for arguing with idiots and just gets on with it) Hackett (suffered with niggling complaints through post season but been a solid foundation to build on over the years Davesviews( dont write him off yet usually has enough stamina to come back strong) SLP (choose from anyone of them had a lot of style but failing to bring any substance to their game this window) Premiumbetts (like Bendtner has failed to show anything other than failure) Sheikmomo (if Scholes pulls his finger out and waves Coates transfer weapon over a big signing which couldn't be completed without his input momo may struggle to come back from the shock
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jul 30, 2015 15:47:28 GMT
Texeira for certain another Edu/Ness signing , Bardsley and possibly Odemwingie depending on his showing pre season.
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Post by ct1 on Jul 30, 2015 15:50:02 GMT
Tex should surely go out on loan - or be released. He hasn't shown any indication that he can break into the 25 man squad at present. can't believe he has even been given a shirt number
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 15:51:04 GMT
From recent posts any one from the following: Bayern (unless he comes to the conclusion that he is an idiot for arguing with idiots and just gets on with it) Hackett (suffered with niggling complaints through post season but been a solid foundation to build on over the years Davesviews( dont write him off yet usually has enough stamina to come back strong) SLP (choose from anyone of them had a lot of style but failing to bring any substance to their game this window) Premiumbetts (like Bendtner has failed to show anything other than failure) Sheikmomo (if Scholes pulls his finger out and waves Coates transfer weapon over a big signing which couldn't be completed without his input momo may struggle to come back from the shock I'd never delete off here, that's for the weak minded. chiefdelilah whydelilah And I enjoy arguing with idiots far too much to come to that conclusion!
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2015 15:58:07 GMT
From recent posts any one from the following: Bayern (unless he comes to the conclusion that he is an idiot for arguing with idiots and just gets on with it) Hackett (suffered with niggling complaints through post season but been a solid foundation to build on over the years Davesviews( dont write him off yet usually has enough stamina to come back strong) SLP (choose from anyone of them had a lot of style but failing to bring any substance to their game this window) Premiumbetts (like Bendtner has failed to show anything other than failure) Sheikmomo (if Scholes pulls his finger out and waves Coates transfer weapon over a big signing which couldn't be completed without his input momo may struggle to come back from the shock I'd never delete off here, that's for the weak minded. chiefdelilah whydelilah And I enjoy arguing with idiots far too much to come to that conclusion! So following on from your brothers statement you admit your a bit of an idiot for arguing with the idiots (myself included)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 16:00:53 GMT
I'd never delete off here, that's for the weak minded. chiefdelilah whydelilah And I enjoy arguing with idiots far too much to come to that conclusion! So following on from your brothers statement you admit your a bit of an idiot for arguing with the idiots (myself included) Was that ever in doubt?
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 16:02:13 GMT
Hughes clearly rates him, he's versatile and does a lot of work for the team that still goes unnoticed. Is Hughes going to let one of his trusted first teamers drift out of the squad or go for peanuts? It's interesting that you've put Afellay behind Arnie in the pecking order. Do you really think he'd turn down offers to come and sit on our bench? Once he's up to speed he's in. You can't have an infinite number of players in your match day squad and Hughes is bringing in new players who play in the position Walters plays in - it's simple mathematics. Whichever way round Affelay and Arnie are in the pecking order is irrelevant to the question, neither will be leaving this summer and both will be above Jon in the pecking order next season, if he's still here. That's not a slight on Walters, it just is what it is. Offered a new deal to Odem, the right thing to do but Walters is ahead. Moha and Afellay left wing Johnson right back Given Haugaard GK Van Ginkle CM Joselu forward Which of those signings threatens Walters? Possibly Joselu's as it affects Walters versatility but it's not a direct threat. Crouch could be the one to go.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2015 16:03:27 GMT
So following on from your brothers statement you admit your a bit of an idiot for arguing with the idiots (myself included) Was that ever in doubt? Not sure but its worth arguing over
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Post by jeycov on Jul 30, 2015 16:05:05 GMT
Texeira for certain another Edu/Ness signing , Bardsley and possibly Odemwingie depending on his showing pre season. All 3 on loan
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 16:18:30 GMT
You can't have an infinite number of players in your match day squad and Hughes is bringing in new players who play in the position Walters plays in - it's simple mathematics. Whichever way round Affelay and Arnie are in the pecking order is irrelevant to the question, neither will be leaving this summer and both will be above Jon in the pecking order next season, if he's still here. That's not a slight on Walters, it just is what it is. Offered a new deal to Odem, the right thing to do but Walters is ahead. Moha and Afellay left wing Johnson right back Given Haugaard GK Van Ginkle CM Joselu forward Which of those signings threatens Walters? Possibly Joselu's as it affects Walters versatility but it's not a direct threat. Crouch could be the one to go. Oh come on mate, the whole thread has been qualified on the fact that Hughes finally gets the new right winger that he is so OBVIOUSLY trying to sign. Afellay can play anywhere across the three just like Jon can. Joselu's arrival means that Jon moves down another notch in the pecking order of strikers. Hughes can only nominate so many players on the bench and he's not going to go neglect cover for the defence and midfield just to crow bar Jon in there. In terms of keeping everybody happy, it probably would end up helping Hughes, if he had three or four injuries to cover in August, then those players who aren't likely to make the bench when/if he has a fully fit squad, don't actually realise it until it's too late. Yep Crouch could go, I agree, I said as much at the start. He and Jon would seem to be the most likely candidates to leave if anybody is to leave at all.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 16:22:43 GMT
Offered a new deal to Odem, the right thing to do but Walters is ahead. Moha and Afellay left wing Johnson right back Given Haugaard GK Van Ginkle CM Joselu forward Which of those signings threatens Walters? Possibly Joselu's as it affects Walters versatility but it's not a direct threat. Crouch could be the one to go. Oh come on mate, the whole thread has been qualified on the fact that Hughes finally gets the new right winger that he is so OBVIOUSLY trying to sign. Afellay can play anywhere across the three just like Jon can. Joselu's arrival means that Jon moves down another notch in the pecking order of strikers. Hughes can only nominate so players on the bench and he's not going to go neglect the defence and midfield just to crow bar Jon in there. In terms of keeping everybody happy, it probably would end up helping Hughes, if he had three or four injuries to cover in August, then those players who aren't likely to make the bench when/if he has a fully fit squad, don't actually realise it until it's too late. Yep Crouch could go, I agree, I said as much at the start. He and Jon would seem to be the most likely candidates to leave if anybody is to leave at all. If we sign a new right winger (I agree, we will) then Walters becomes second choice RW and third choice CF. He's also a good player to have around the squad. I'll be amazed if Hughes let's him go. He's still a big part of our squad. Wilson, Bardsley, Ireland, Odemwingie and Crouch are more likely to go than super Jon.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 16:24:48 GMT
Oh come on mate, the whole thread has been qualified on the fact that Hughes finally gets the new right winger that he is so OBVIOUSLY trying to sign. Afellay can play anywhere across the three just like Jon can. Joselu's arrival means that Jon moves down another notch in the pecking order of strikers. Hughes can only nominate so players on the bench and he's not going to go neglect the defence and midfield just to crow bar Jon in there. In terms of keeping everybody happy, it probably would end up helping Hughes, if he had three or four injuries to cover in August, then those players who aren't likely to make the bench when/if he has a fully fit squad, don't actually realise it until it's too late. Yep Crouch could go, I agree, I said as much at the start. He and Jon would seem to be the most likely candidates to leave if anybody is to leave at all. If we sign a new right winger (I agree, we will) then Walters becomes second choice RW and third choice CF. He's also a good player to have around the squad. I'll be amazed if Hughes let's him go. He's still a big part of our squad. Wilson, Bardsley, Ireland, Odemwingie and Crouch are more likely to go than super Jon. Third choice CF? Erm we have MBD, Joselu and a newly contracted Peter Crouch ahead of him surely.....
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 16:28:34 GMT
If we sign a new right winger (I agree, we will) then Walters becomes second choice RW and third choice CF. He's also a good player to have around the squad. I'll be amazed if Hughes let's him go. He's still a big part of our squad. Wilson, Bardsley, Ireland, Odemwingie and Crouch are more likely to go than super Jon. Third choice CF? Erm we have MBD, Joselu and a newly contracted Peter Crouch ahead of him surely..... Hughes has turned to Walters before Crouch in the past. Hughes will find Jon minutes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 16:30:10 GMT
Third choice CF? Erm we have MBD, Joselu and a newly contracted Peter Crouch ahead of him surely..... Hughes has turned to Walters before Crouch in the past. Hughes will find Jon minutes. Peter Crouch who has just signed a new 2 year contract yeah?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 16:30:18 GMT
Oh come on mate, the whole thread has been qualified on the fact that Hughes finally gets the new right winger that he is so OBVIOUSLY trying to sign. Afellay can play anywhere across the three just like Jon can. Joselu's arrival means that Jon moves down another notch in the pecking order of strikers. Hughes can only nominate so players on the bench and he's not going to go neglect the defence and midfield just to crow bar Jon in there. In terms of keeping everybody happy, it probably would end up helping Hughes, if he had three or four injuries to cover in August, then those players who aren't likely to make the bench when/if he has a fully fit squad, don't actually realise it until it's too late. Yep Crouch could go, I agree, I said as much at the start. He and Jon would seem to be the most likely candidates to leave if anybody is to leave at all. If we sign a new right winger (I agree, we will) then Walters becomes second choice RW and third choice CF. He's also a good player to have around the squad. I'll be amazed if Hughes let's him go. He's still a big part of our squad. Wilson, Bardsley, Ireland, Odemwingie and Crouch are more likely to go than super Jon. Fourth choice striker. 1. Diouf 2. Joselu 3. Crouch 4. Walters and third choice winger on the left or right. Behind Arnie and Joselu on the left and behind New Right Winger and either Arnie OR Joselu on the right. In the match day squad we would likely have two wingers starting and ONE offering cover from the bench.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 16:31:57 GMT
Hughes has turned to Walters before Crouch in the past. Hughes will find Jon minutes. Peter Crouch who has just signed a new 2 year contract yeah? Protecting his value and our image yeah?
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 16:32:25 GMT
If we sign a new right winger (I agree, we will) then Walters becomes second choice RW and third choice CF. He's also a good player to have around the squad. I'll be amazed if Hughes let's him go. He's still a big part of our squad. Wilson, Bardsley, Ireland, Odemwingie and Crouch are more likely to go than super Jon. Fourth choice striker. 1. Diouf 2. Joselu 3. Crouch 4. Walters and third choice winger on the left or right. Behind Arnie and Joselu on the left and behind New Right Winger and either Arnie OR Joselu on the right. In the match day squad we would likely have two wingers starting and ONE offering cover from the bench. Yeah he was really far behind Arnie on the right last season. Has Joselu ever played on the right? (That's a genuine question although I'm sure he hasn't)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 16:34:48 GMT
Peter Crouch who has just signed a new 2 year contract yeah? Protecting his value and our image yeah? Yeah keep a player whose one your highest earners for shits and giggles... What rubbish.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 30, 2015 16:37:18 GMT
Fourth choice striker. 1. Diouf 2. Joselu 3. Crouch 4. Walters and third choice winger on the left or right. Behind Arnie and Joselu on the left and behind New Right Winger and either Arnie OR Joselu on the right. In the match day squad we would likely have two wingers starting and ONE offering cover from the bench. Yeah he was really far behind Arnie on the right last season. Has Joselu ever played on the right? (That's a genuine question although I'm sure he hasn't) I'd say it's much more likely Diouf will play on the right than Joselu. I'm certain Joselu will start up top against Liverpool
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 16:37:35 GMT
Protecting his value and our image yeah? Yeah keep a player whose one your highest earners for shits and giggles... What rubbish. Keeping one of our highest interests to ensure we can get a fee for him, ensures he keeps our media profile and profile across the globe ticking over nicely.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 16:42:22 GMT
Fourth choice striker. 1. Diouf 2. Joselu 3. Crouch 4. Walters and third choice winger on the left or right. Behind Arnie and Joselu on the left and behind New Right Winger and either Arnie OR Joselu on the right. In the match day squad we would likely have two wingers starting and ONE offering cover from the bench. Yeah he was really far behind Arnie on the right last season. Has Joselu ever played on the right? (That's a genuine question although I'm sure he hasn't) Yep Moses started on the left and Arnie started on the right, Walters was on the bench, then Moses got injured and Arnie moved to the left. Yeah as I said before Affelay plays anywhere across the three. I don't know why you're being so overly precious, I haven't offered any personal opinion of Jon but rather am looking at the manager's actions, considering the question objectively and providing an unbiased answer.
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