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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 30, 2015 16:43:24 GMT
It really isn't a case of where we see Walters figuring in the squad is it.....It's where WALTERS sees himself figuring. He's got a contract and he'll be here for another 12 months unless HE decides to go. It's getting hard to see where he'll figure but most expected him to play a 'bit' part last season. The club won't be looking to sell Walters but he'll leave if HE sees no regular place for himself. This really isn't the club's decision.....Jon is under contract.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 16:45:37 GMT
It really isn't a case of where we see Walters figuring in the squad is it.....It's where WALTERS sees himself figuring. He's got a contract and he'll be here for another 12 months unless HE decides to go. It's getting hard to see where he'll figure but most expected him to play a 'bit' part last season. The club won't be looking to sell Walters but he'll leave if HE sees no regular place for himself. This really isn't the club's decision.....Jon is under contract. Spot on Doz. Exactly why I said it depends on how much bench time he gets in August, if he doesn't see much of it, then HE might decide to leave.
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 30, 2015 16:46:47 GMT
Walters and Crouch. ........West Brom mate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 16:47:34 GMT
Yeah keep a player whose one your highest earners for shits and giggles... What rubbish. Keeping one of our highest interests to ensure we can get a fee for him, ensures he keeps our media profile and profile across the globe ticking over nicely. You'd need him to be at least on the bench to achieve that though. Really, really hard to see them both making the bench, unless there's a fair few injuries.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 16:48:57 GMT
Yeah keep a player whose one your highest earners for shits and giggles... What rubbish. Keeping one of our highest interests to ensure we can get a fee for him, ensures he keeps our media profile and profile across the globe ticking over nicely. We won't get much of a fee for him to outweigh the wages and our media profile is shite irrespective.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 30, 2015 16:55:50 GMT
It really isn't a case of where we see Walters figuring in the squad is it.....It's where WALTERS sees himself figuring. He's got a contract and he'll be here for another 12 months unless HE decides to go. It's getting hard to see where he'll figure but most expected him to play a 'bit' part last season. The club won't be looking to sell Walters but he'll leave if HE sees no regular place for himself. This really isn't the club's decision.....Jon is under contract. Spot on Doz. Exactly why I said it depends on how much bench time he gets in August, if he doesn't see much of it, then HE might decide to leave. Or he might just decide to run down his contract and go on a free next summer.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 30, 2015 17:00:40 GMT
Muniesa, Arnie, Bojan - all didn't just walk into the starting 11.
They waited for their chances and gave MH a decision to make.
I really didn't think that Whelan would get much game time with MH, but he earned his place - as has Walters and Crouch.
Currently we can retain all of these players and sign / loan u21 players as well
I would expect Tex to go out on loan and maybe Odemwingie to do the same until Christmas
I think that we will make just one more signing
The fitness situation will have a part to play in who MH is prepared to release
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2015 17:02:15 GMT
Spot on Doz. Exactly why I said it depends on how much bench time he gets in August, if he doesn't see much of it, then HE might decide to leave. Or he might just decide to run down his contract and go on a free next summer. Nah if he doesn't make the match day squad once in August mate, then I really don't think Jon would be the type of fella to do that.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 17:07:57 GMT
Yeah he was really far behind Arnie on the right last season. Has Joselu ever played on the right? (That's a genuine question although I'm sure he hasn't) Yep Moses started on the left and Arnie started on the right, Walters was on the bench, then Moses got injured and Arnie moved to the left. Yeah as I said before Affelay plays anywhere across the three. I don't know why you're being so overly precious, I haven't offered any personal opinion of Jon but rather am looking at the manager's actions, considering the question objectively and providing an unbiased answer. And Walters forced himself into the team in September and often played with Arnie on the bench and Moses on the left. Afellay is predominantly a left winger, that's where he'll play. We'll get a specialist right winger for the right. I'm also looking at the managers actions, the manager has put a lot of faith in Walters previously.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 30, 2015 17:11:24 GMT
I wouldn't mind loosing Ireland, but I doubt we'll find anyone wiling to pay his wages.
Teixeira should go out on loan.
If we have to get rid of one of our frontline veterans, it would have to be Odemwingie (still concerned whether he'll get back to full strenght). Walters is still our best option at right wing, and Crouchie just offers something Unique.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 17:11:24 GMT
Keeping one of our highest interests to ensure we can get a fee for him, ensures he keeps our media profile and profile across the globe ticking over nicely. We won't get much of a fee for him to outweigh the wages and our media profile is shite irrespective. Palacios aside who was the last big player we let go on a free? We've just given Wilko a new deal till he gets on his feet. By keeping Crouch we have a solid pro on the books who can do a job and is potentially worth £2m. It may not make perfect sense but I like the way that the club looks after it's players. Walters will be a horses for courses third choice striker ahead of crouch.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 30, 2015 17:11:14 GMT
I think we will sell Walters, Bardsley, or Wilson in January. Don't think we should or will sell any of them in August. If we bring in another player it will probably be at the expense of Teixiera.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 17:19:54 GMT
We won't get much of a fee for him to outweigh the wages and our media profile is shite irrespective. Palacios aside who was the last big player we let go on a free? We've just given Wilko a new deal till he gets on his feet. By keeping Crouch we have a solid pro on the books who can do a job and is potentially worth £2m. It may not make perfect sense but I like the way that the club looks after it's players. Walters will be a horses for courses third choice striker ahead of crouch. Fuller, Whitehead, Delap, Ethers, Sorensen, Pennant.
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 30, 2015 17:19:58 GMT
Ireland , he's way down the pecking order . Would be madness to let Walters go IMO I like Ireland tbh, hes a good option when Bojans not available...
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Post by robrigo on Jul 30, 2015 17:21:59 GMT
One thing is for sure, it will be a sad day when Jon does depart. I really think he has been great for us. I don't want him to end up at West Brazil, they hate him there. I remember sitting in the west brom end a couple of seasons ago and the stick he got.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 30, 2015 17:24:31 GMT
Ireland , he's way down the pecking order . Would be madness to let Walters go IMO I like Ireland tbh, hes a good option when Bojans not available... Well Adam is ahead of him as was the case last season , and the option of a striker playing deep
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 30, 2015 17:29:07 GMT
I like Ireland tbh, hes a good option when Bojans not available... Well Adam is ahead of him as was the case last season , and the option of a striker playing deep Ireland is a much better player than Adam behind the striker, I can't understand why people don't rate him he's one of my favourite players.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 30, 2015 17:29:03 GMT
Palacios aside who was the last big player we let go on a free? We've just given Wilko a new deal till he gets on his feet. By keeping Crouch we have a solid pro on the books who can do a job and is potentially worth £2m. It may not make perfect sense but I like the way that the club looks after it's players. Walters will be a horses for courses third choice striker ahead of crouch. Fuller, Whitehead, Delap, Ethers, Sorensen, Pennant. Fuller shot to pieces, fairly sure he fell out with TP. Delap wanted to go to continue playing. Deano yeah given. Sorro retired to go home And as for Pennant yeah we were really gonna extend him weren't we
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Post by robrigo on Jul 30, 2015 17:32:17 GMT
Well Adam is ahead of him as was the case last season , and the option of a striker playing deep Ireland is a much better player than Adam behind the striker, I can't understand why people don't rate him he's one of my favourite players. Ireland is such an intelligent player, a wonderful footballer. He's just so lightweight and his tackling is shocking.
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Post by jwhpotter on Jul 30, 2015 17:35:23 GMT
Can't see Ireland not making the bench either, he's the best back up to Bojan. Surely Adam is better back up and a much better impact player
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Post by timbo1988 on Jul 30, 2015 17:37:34 GMT
Well Adam is ahead of him as was the case last season , and the option of a striker playing deep Ireland is a much better player than Adam behind the striker, I can't understand why people don't rate him he's one of my favourite players. And me! He does the simple things well and makes the team play well! I hope you are wrong on Diouf starting on the right although I think he will start away games centrally and play from the right in home games!
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 30, 2015 17:43:47 GMT
Well Adam is ahead of him as was the case last season , and the option of a striker playing deep Ireland is a much better player than Adam behind the striker, I can't understand why people don't rate him he's one of my favourite players. The last 4 months of the season was Charlie's best run of performances since he joined the club , scored some important goals too
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 30, 2015 17:46:04 GMT
Many of these types of predictions were way off the mark last year. Partly because of injuries and partly because people didn't quite know which players Hughes prefers as he doesn't show too much favouritism. Regarding Walters I'd say if he stays he will play a lot more than people think, for yet another year. For a start a big part of our tactics is still hitting the long ball from the back (on the occasions we need to) out wide to him. I'd imagine Hughes would still like that in his armoury from time to time. Crouch, well he still offers goals and he's not slowing down as he's always been slow. Ireland would be my man to go because he really doesn't play much. Although he had injuries last season but Adam proper forced him out at the end. And Bojan will be back eventually. And can't some of our new boys play there too? I can't even be bothered to think through the others there are so many! I just don't think many of them are consistently good or bad enough or make am easily clear call. On their day most of them are pretty handy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 17:46:40 GMT
Fuller, Whitehead, Delap, Ethers, Sorensen, Pennant. Fuller shot to pieces, fairly sure he fell out with TP. Delap wanted to go to continue playing. Deano yeah given. Sorro retired to go home And as for Pennant yeah we were really gonna extend him weren't we I love how the only one you accept is Dean Whitehead. I can't imagine viewing football like that. Did we let Higgi an' all? And you've forget Ethers.
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Post by skip on Jul 30, 2015 17:49:08 GMT
It would seem that our first choice XI is likely to be: Butland Johnson Ryan Muniesa Pieters Whelan MVG New right winger Bojan Arnautovic Diouf Given Joselu Affelay Adam Wilson Sidwell or Cameron That leaves just ONE space on the bench for any one of: Sidwell or Cameron Ireland Crouch Walters Bardsley Odemwingie Obviously there will be injuries (indeed Bojan might not be ready for the start of the season) but if we get to the end of August and any of those six haven't even made the bench in that time, then it really wouldn't be a surprise to see any of them leave. I can't see Wollscheid leaving even if he doesn't make the bench though. When you read it like that you realise that Hughes has made enormous changes to the squad.
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Post by rovingpotter on Jul 30, 2015 17:49:31 GMT
Surprised no ones mentioned Sidwell. I know Nzonzi has left and he was given the arm band in a friendly but he didn't make much of an appearance last season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 17:50:16 GMT
Many of these types of predictions were way off the mark last year. Partly because of injuries and partly because people didn't quite know which players Hughes prefers as he doesn't show too much favouritism. Regarding Walters I'd say if he stays he will play a lot more than people think, for yet another year. For a start a big part of our tactics is still hitting the long ball from the back (on the occasions we need to) out wide to him. I'd imagine Hughes would still like that in his armoury from time to time. Crouch, well he still offers goals and he's not slowing down as he's always been slow. Ireland would be my man to go because he really doesn't play much. Although he had injuries last season but Adam proper forced him out at the end. And Bojan will be back eventually. And can't some of our new boys play there too? I can't even be bothered to think through the others there are so many! I just don't think many of them are consistently good or bad enough or make am easily clear call. On their day most of them are pretty handy. I think letting Walters go would be fucking stupid but I think it looks the most likely.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 30, 2015 17:52:02 GMT
Many of these types of predictions were way off the mark last year. Partly because of injuries and partly because people didn't quite know which players Hughes prefers as he doesn't show too much favouritism. Regarding Walters I'd say if he stays he will play a lot more than people think, for yet another year. For a start a big part of our tactics is still hitting the long ball from the back (on the occasions we need to) out wide to him. I'd imagine Hughes would still like that in his armoury from time to time. Crouch, well he still offers goals and he's not slowing down as he's always been slow. Ireland would be my man to go because he really doesn't play much. Although he had injuries last season but Adam proper forced him out at the end. And Bojan will be back eventually. And can't some of our new boys play there too? I can't even be bothered to think through the others there are so many! I just don't think many of them are consistently good or bad enough or make am easily clear call. On their day most of them are pretty handy. I think letting Walters go would be fucking stupid but I think it looks the most likely. Yeah I don't think it's a good idea.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2015 17:53:35 GMT
Tex and Haugaard on loan somewhere, but no-one else.
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Post by ct1 on Jul 30, 2015 17:54:53 GMT
Walters and Crouch. ........West Brom mate. no ....apparently West Brom are looking at 'a brand new car that needs a bit of petrol'
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