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Post by Northy on Jul 28, 2015 9:10:07 GMT
Such a shame that this little boy has died, but would you leave a 7 year old out playing a mile away from home and expecting him to walk back home ? I wouldn't have, I'd have been at the park waiting or playing footy etc. with him. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-33672499 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 9:12:37 GMT
Such a shame that this little boy has died, but would you leave a 7 year old out playing a mile away from home and expecting him to walk back home ? I wouldn't have, I'd have been at the park waiting or playing footy etc. with him. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-33672499Exactly so . |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 28, 2015 9:22:22 GMT
lazy parenting , they failed the lad in the most Basic way
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Post by Northy on Jul 28, 2015 9:26:04 GMT
Should they be charged with child neglect? It was only a couple of years ago that that poor girl in Wales was taken and murdered, looks like some people don't learn.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 28, 2015 9:49:27 GMT
It's a tragic accident & nothing more. If the park had been at the bottom of the street would you be calling it child neglect? Kids today are so wrapped up & protected 'cos apparently everyone out there is a paedo/terrorist/thug/etc...
I'm glad I grew up in an era when we were allowed to actually go out & play, plenty of times we were playing on the green 50 metres away from my house, but being a bunch of kids we'd always decide to go & wander off & end up down the fields, down Cockster, down the Lido etc... Is that child neglect or is that kids being kids?
That little lad could have been out playing with his mates at that same spot & made that same walk home a million times & got home perfectly safely. It's a tragic accident.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 28, 2015 9:55:53 GMT
It's a tragic accident & nothing more. If the park had been at the bottom of the street would you be calling it child neglect? Kids today are so wrapped up & protected 'cos apparently everyone out there is a paedo/terrorist/thug/etc... I'm glad I grew up in an era when we were allowed to actually go out & play, plenty of times we were playing on the green 50 metres away from my house, but being a bunch of kids we'd always decide to go & wander off & end up down the fields, down Cockster, down the Lido etc... Is that child neglect or is that kids being kids? That little lad could have been out playing with his mates at that same spot & made that same walk home a million times & got home perfectly safely. It's a tragic accident. He was only 7 , I grew up in a village and was allowed to roam with the gang , but not at such a young age . It's always a gamble knowing when to give your kids a bit of freedom . We lost a friend who drowned in the churnet , it's just not worth the risk |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 28, 2015 9:59:40 GMT
It's a tragic accident & nothing more. If the park had been at the bottom of the street would you be calling it child neglect? Kids today are so wrapped up & protected 'cos apparently everyone out there is a paedo/terrorist/thug/etc... I'm glad I grew up in an era when we were allowed to actually go out & play, plenty of times we were playing on the green 50 metres away from my house, but being a bunch of kids we'd always decide to go & wander off & end up down the fields, down Cockster, down the Lido etc... Is that child neglect or is that kids being kids? That little lad could have been out playing with his mates at that same spot & made that same walk home a million times & got home perfectly safely. It's a tragic accident. This case is a little bit of both, When I was 4 I was allowed to walk to the corner shop to get my victor comic alone. Now 36 years later my kids 8&6 can play in the street and I allow them to go out of sight around the corner where there is a little grass area but still in my cul de sac. Any further then I'm taking them. Way it is in today's times. There are more cars on the road, paedos are more high profile than they were plus the law isn't on your side as much (unless you are a doctor) so parenting today is totally different to when we were kids |
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 28, 2015 10:05:09 GMT
It's a tragic accident & nothing more. If the park had been at the bottom of the street would you be calling it child neglect? Kids today are so wrapped up & protected 'cos apparently everyone out there is a paedo/terrorist/thug/etc... I'm glad I grew up in an era when we were allowed to actually go out & play, plenty of times we were playing on the green 50 metres away from my house, but being a bunch of kids we'd always decide to go & wander off & end up down the fields, down Cockster, down the Lido etc... Is that child neglect or is that kids being kids? That little lad could have been out playing with his mates at that same spot & made that same walk home a million times & got home perfectly safely. It's a tragic accident. Not often I agree with you but in this case I'd say your spot on. I was always out playing over the fields and stuff at that age . It's a bit different these days with the amounts of peados around and the volume of traffic etc but I think this is simply a tragic accident that could of happened to anyone |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 10:30:28 GMT
It's a tragic accident & nothing more. If the park had been at the bottom of the street would you be calling it child neglect? Kids today are so wrapped up & protected 'cos apparently everyone out there is a paedo/terrorist/thug/etc... I'm glad I grew up in an era when we were allowed to actually go out & play, plenty of times we were playing on the green 50 metres away from my house, but being a bunch of kids we'd always decide to go & wander off & end up down the fields, down Cockster, down the Lido etc... Is that child neglect or is that kids being kids? That little lad could have been out playing with his mates at that same spot & made that same walk home a million times & got home perfectly safely. It's a tragic accident. Not often I agree with you but in this case I'd say your spot on. I was always out playing over the fields and stuff at that age . It's a bit different these days with the amounts of peados around and the volume of traffic etc but I think this is simply a tragic accident that could of happened to anyone Very true , but would you want your seven year old roaming around two miles from home mate ? I've four kids and never let that happen although this does seem to be a tragic accident ....it's one that could have been avoided , very sad . |
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 28, 2015 10:36:35 GMT
Not often I agree with you but in this case I'd say your spot on. I was always out playing over the fields and stuff at that age . It's a bit different these days with the amounts of peados around and the volume of traffic etc but I think this is simply a tragic accident that could of happened to anyone Very true , but would you want your seven year old roaming around two miles from home mate ? I've four kids and never let that happen although this does seem to be a tragic accident ....it's one that could have been avoided , very sad . Certainly not in this day and age mate. It's a different world these days unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 10:48:07 GMT
Very true , but would you want your seven year old roaming around two miles from home mate ? I've four kids and never let that happen although this does seem to be a tragic accident ....it's one that could have been avoided , very sad . Certainly not in this day and age mate. It's a different world these days unfortunately. Tell me about it.......unrecognisable from when we were kids . |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 28, 2015 11:03:50 GMT
Certainly not in this day and age mate. It's a different world these days unfortunately. Tell me about it.......unrecognisable from when we were kids . No more sharabangs or horse drawn milk floats et Bish |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 11:58:53 GMT
In todays age yes.
When I was growing up,during the hols, most went off in the morning and did not return until tea time,but things were more relaxed in those days,not the road traffic there is now,if you went to the park, Hanley or Trentham, there were hundreds of kids about unsupervised, and you normally went off with a load of other kids anyway,very rarely alone.
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Post by Northy on Jul 28, 2015 12:14:01 GMT
It's a tragic accident & nothing more. If the park had been at the bottom of the street would you be calling it child neglect? Kids today are so wrapped up & protected 'cos apparently everyone out there is a paedo/terrorist/thug/etc... I'm glad I grew up in an era when we were allowed to actually go out & play, plenty of times we were playing on the green 50 metres away from my house, but being a bunch of kids we'd always decide to go & wander off & end up down the fields, down Cockster, down the Lido etc... Is that child neglect or is that kids being kids? That little lad could have been out playing with his mates at that same spot & made that same walk home a million times & got home perfectly safely. It's a tragic accident. As you say 'if it was at the bottom of the street' it wasn't, it was a 40 minute walk away and he was walking back alone, that's the bit that gets me. He wasn't around the corner with a group of mates like it was 40 odd years ago |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 28, 2015 12:26:33 GMT
It's not actually that the environment is more dangerous because I'm not sure it is , there is more traffic but speeds are more controlled nowadays . I do remember driving an old ford son tractor with about 200 straw bails on the trailer . Used to work on the farms for a bit of pocket money aged 12/15 . Lots of hazards milking , feeding calves, stacking bails , wuffling , bailing , fantastic way to spend a day , loved it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:26:23 GMT
Tell me about it.......unrecognisable from when we were kids . No more sharabangs or horse drawn milk floats et Bish No ....I loved a Charabang ride mate ....  .....and there was a farmer who delivered milk on a horse and cart around our way ....milk that tasted like milk should with six inches of cream at the top !  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:27:53 GMT
It's not actually that the environment is more dangerous because I'm not sure it is , there is more traffic but speeds are more controlled nowadays . I do remember driving an old ford son tractor with about 200 straw bails on the trailer . Used to work on the farms for a bit of pocket money aged 12/15 . Lots of hazards milking , feeding calves, stacking bails , wuffling , bailing , fantastic way to spend a day , loved it And you still wuffle mate , or was that waffle ?  |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 28, 2015 12:29:32 GMT
No more sharabangs or horse drawn milk floats et Bish No ....I loved a Charabang ride mate .... .....and there was a farmer who delivered milk on a horse and cart around our way ....milk that tasted like milk should with six inches of cream at the top ! If the spuggies didn't get there first though , my dads 1st job after school was at the co-op , he drove a milk float at some point , his shire horse was called Shirley |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 28, 2015 12:30:47 GMT
It's not actually that the environment is more dangerous because I'm not sure it is , there is more traffic but speeds are more controlled nowadays . I do remember driving an old ford son tractor with about 200 straw bails on the trailer . Used to work on the farms for a bit of pocket money aged 12/15 . Lots of hazards milking , feeding calves, stacking bails , wuffling , bailing , fantastic way to spend a day , loved it And you still wuffle mate , or was that waffle ? Plenty of that Bish |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:33:39 GMT
And you still wuffle mate , or was that waffle ? Plenty of that Bish  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 28, 2015 12:42:08 GMT
In 'absolute' terms this does look like neglect..
Why no statement from mum & dad ?
Unfortunately, in todays world we see this happening all the time..children left to their own devices at a very young age, without supervision.
It always concerns me when I see very young children behaving very 'independently' doing things that children wouldn't normally do on their own (e;g five year olds going into shops to buy food, wandering around on their own without an adult,) because that is a sure sign that they have been left to fend for themselves on too many occasions...because the experience no longer frightens them.
Accidents will happen but in my experience, most accidents aren't 'man made' at all they are the result of people's actions (or lack of them)
Sad but unfortunately true.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 28, 2015 14:24:50 GMT
In 'absolute' terms this does look like neglect.. Why no statement from mum & dad ? Unfortunately, in todays world we see this happening all the time..children left to their own devices at a very young age, without supervision. It always concerns me when I see very young children behaving very 'independently' doing things that children wouldn't normally do on their own (e;g five year olds going into shops to buy food, wandering around on their own without an adult,) because that is a sure sign that they have been left to fend for themselves on too many occasions...because the experience no longer frightens them. Accidents will happen but in my experience, most accidents aren't 'man made' at all they are the result of people's actions (or lack of them) Sad but unfortunately true. I sort agree. Gave my kids an extra hug last night. It must have been terrible for the poor lad |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 14:38:02 GMT
In 'absolute' terms this does look like neglect.. Why no statement from mum & dad ? Unfortunately, in todays world we see this happening all the time..children left to their own devices at a very young age, without supervision. It always concerns me when I see very young children behaving very 'independently' doing things that children wouldn't normally do on their own (e;g five year olds going into shops to buy food, wandering around on their own without an adult,) because that is a sure sign that they have been left to fend for themselves on too many occasions...because the experience no longer frightens them. Accidents will happen but in my experience, most accidents aren't 'man made' at all they are the result of people's actions (or lack of them) Sad but unfortunately true. see what you're saying but i'm not going to judge or slag off the parents until the whole story is known. dangerous making presumptions on subjects like this (and not really the kind of situation where i think it's warranted to try to guess what their family life must have been like and whether that was a direct or indirect cause of a tragedy like this...and i know that isn't what you're doing in your post btw, just you know what some on here are like)) and with regards to no statement from the parents....is it not possible that they're just too distraught to come out and do that at the moment? when parents do come out straight away and make statements nowadays all you seem to get is the media and internet trolls combing over every tiny thing they've said and the tone of voice in which they said it looking for more stories and drama "Oooh she didn't look as upset as i would be in that circumstance, she's a heartless bitch" "Oooh he had a nice car, must spend all his time buying nice things and forgetting about his kids" etc. etc. and all the usual trolling shit sure they will come out publicly at some point but it should be when the time is right for them, not because it's what the media expects and wants right now because it will make them a better story! they have no obligation to tell us all what happened or their family circumstances just because the media are interested and our curiosity will (rightly) mean absolutely nothing to them at the moment and they won't care if we want to know answers...it's none of our business after all. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 14:51:46 GMT
In 'absolute' terms this does look like neglect.. Why no statement from mum & dad ? Unfortunately, in todays world we see this happening all the time..children left to their own devices at a very young age, without supervision. It always concerns me when I see very young children behaving very 'independently' doing things that children wouldn't normally do on their own (e;g five year olds going into shops to buy food, wandering around on their own without an adult,) because that is a sure sign that they have been left to fend for themselves on too many occasions...because the experience no longer frightens them. Accidents will happen but in my experience, most accidents aren't 'man made' at all they are the result of people's actions (or lack of them) Sad but unfortunately true. see what you're saying but i'm not going to judge or slag off the parents until the whole story is known. dangerous making presumptions on subjects like this (and not really the kind of situation where i think it's warranted to try to guess what their family life must have been like and whether that was a direct or indirect cause of a tragedy like this...and i know that isn't what you're doing in your post btw, just you know what some on here are like)) and with regards to no statement from the parents....is it not possible that they're just too distraught to come out and do that at the moment? when parents do come out straight away and make statements nowadays all you seem to get is the media and internet trolls combing over every tiny thing they've said and the tone of voice in which they said it looking for more stories and drama "Oooh she didn't look as upset as i would be in that circumstance, she's a heartless bitch" "Oooh he had a nice car, must spend all his time buying nice things and forgetting about his kids" etc. etc. and all the usual trolling shit sure they will come out publicly at some point but it should be when the time is right for them, not because it's what the media expects and wants right now because it will make them a better story! they have no obligation to tell us all what happened or their family circumstances just because the media are interested and our curiosity will (rightly) mean absolutely nothing to them at the moment and they won't care if we want to know answers...it's none of our business after all. Sorry but what responsible adult lets their seven year old wandering about unsupervised. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:10:29 GMT
see what you're saying but i'm not going to judge or slag off the parents until the whole story is known. dangerous making presumptions on subjects like this (and not really the kind of situation where i think it's warranted to try to guess what their family life must have been like and whether that was a direct or indirect cause of a tragedy like this...and i know that isn't what you're doing in your post btw, just you know what some on here are like)) and with regards to no statement from the parents....is it not possible that they're just too distraught to come out and do that at the moment? when parents do come out straight away and make statements nowadays all you seem to get is the media and internet trolls combing over every tiny thing they've said and the tone of voice in which they said it looking for more stories and drama "Oooh she didn't look as upset as i would be in that circumstance, she's a heartless bitch" "Oooh he had a nice car, must spend all his time buying nice things and forgetting about his kids" etc. etc. and all the usual trolling shit sure they will come out publicly at some point but it should be when the time is right for them, not because it's what the media expects and wants right now because it will make them a better story! they have no obligation to tell us all what happened or their family circumstances just because the media are interested and our curiosity will (rightly) mean absolutely nothing to them at the moment and they won't care if we want to know answers...it's none of our business after all. Sorry but what responsible adult lets their seven year old wandering about unsupervised. yes i agree but i'm pretty sure i'm allowed to say that i personally won't slag them off until i know all the facts aren't i? Or are you saying that i MUST insult them....is this another one of your black and white situations (a la Islam) where if i don't openly slag them off you'll say i'm fully endorsing various actions that you'll decide MUST have taken place based on nothing other than your own presumptions? I don't like what i've read in that article (so i agree with you so far based on what i've read in ONE article) but would prefer to know a little more of the facts before berating them given the fact that it's such a tragic incident and not just something trivial being debated on a messageboard if that's ok with you? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:40:31 GMT
I am going to say that the parents should have been in attendance . If they weren't , then they only have themselves to blame.
I dont know if they were there or not , but i find it impossible to believe that they were there.
Its also relevant that yorkshire has been making the headlines for all the wrong reasons just recently and the parents should have been extra vigilant . I know i would .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 19:20:11 GMT
Fuck me. He was a 40 minute walk away at 8pm at night!!
They only report him missing at 10pm.
Hes 7 ffs!
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Post by Boothen on Jul 28, 2015 21:10:43 GMT
If that's neglect, then what is it if a couple of middle-class doctors decide to leave a three year old alone in an unlocked foreign hotel room with a couple of babies whilst they go out on the lash with mates?
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Post by salopstick on Jul 28, 2015 21:21:53 GMT
If that's neglect, then what is it if a couple of middle-class doctors decide to leave a three year old alone in an unlocked foreign hotel room with a couple of babies whilst they go out on the lash with mates? A worldwide tragedy |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 21:38:38 GMT
No they shouldn't be charged they've suffered enough losing their child
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.....and there was a farmer who delivered milk on a horse and cart around our way ....milk that tasted like milk should with six inches of cream at the top ! 
