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Post by cymap on Aug 6, 2015 15:08:27 GMT
Minimum 8 weeks , that takes us past the transfer window end. I think we should get a decent CB in on loan until January because if the Op isn't successful or it takes longer to come back from it we will be a CB down until January.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 15:09:08 GMT
It can't be a very risky or complicated op if they're expecting him to be fit in 2 months. Maybe a tad optimistic ?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 6, 2015 15:09:45 GMT
What about Brede Hangeland at Palace on a 3 months' loan? Won't get much game time there and very experienced, but not that quick anymore, but quicker than Wolly I think! Are Palace reserves better than what we have? Surely everyone is over-reacting here. Sign someone as good as Shawcross if we don't think our 8 other defenders are up to it but not someone who adds nothing to overall quality
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Post by metalhead on Aug 6, 2015 15:11:33 GMT
Ahh, didn't realize.
Yep, it's your chance Geoff.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 6, 2015 15:16:50 GMT
Buy a real defender Stoke, ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 15:18:44 GMT
8 weeks is best case. Worst case slip of the knife and wheelchair.
All of the spectrum in between.
Apologies to Ryan and family if you read this, but it's the harsh truth.
He's got a massive road ahead and I wish him well.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 6, 2015 15:28:54 GMT
It's a tough injury for him to get through I'm sure backs are tricky things so best wishes and hope he gets back stronger .
It will be interesting to see how the team copes , first two games against sides we would expect to be in the top 8 will test those selected and hopefully allow the management to decide if they need another body in or not . I suspect that they do but always happy to be proved wrong
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Aug 6, 2015 15:29:56 GMT
Can we try and take Bartra ? If only on loan.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 6, 2015 15:31:50 GMT
I feckin' knew it... When I spoke to my mate a few weeks ago earlier in the thread he had a ghostly voice almost as if he knew he was spewing daisies to me after he spoke to the physio... I feared this and here it is. Fuckity fuck fuck. Here's comes Geoff and Muni at the weekend. Not ideal but it's Muniesa who needs to step up with benteke about. Who can we get on loan in such short time just for defensive reasons let alone losing another CB...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 15:36:45 GMT
Agreed big setback = sad face However the window remains open. Could we unearth a Barca/Real "B" player to fill his boots? I live in hope
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 6, 2015 15:38:51 GMT
Yes should of had it done at the back end of last season when it was spoken about then, massive own goal by the management. Wish folk would stop saying this. Back operations are very risky and no doubt the club were trying to avoid this. They have said it in the article. Three people I know personally have had back surgery that has not been a complete success so I can fully understand why the club and Ryan didn't opt for an operation at the end of last season. I stand by comments I made in previous post that we won't see Ryan back before Christmas if at all next season.
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Post by burge2u on Aug 6, 2015 15:48:01 GMT
Anyone who knows anything about back operations, knows that is something you avoid at all costs and only undertake as the last resort. For ignorant posters to come on Oatcake and state that surgery should have been done sooner only demonstrates how brainless they are. A middle aged acquaintance of mine had a procedure done a little over 2 years ago and it went wrong. He literally had to learn to walk again from scratch, like a baby. I was about to make a similar point myself. I suffered a prolapsed disc resulting in severe back and leg pain. I was referred to a top consultant, who suggested that surgery should be avoided wherever possible because it has its potential pitfalls. Through the consultant's careful management of the situation including cortisone epidural injections I'm now OK (touch wood) without enduring the risks associated with surgery. My recovery time (approx 2 years) was no longer than someone I know who opted for surgery. Careful management of the situation will be the key to Ryan's return.
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Post by Davef on Aug 6, 2015 15:48:09 GMT
Yes should of had it done at the back end of last season when it was spoken about then, massive own goal by the management. Wish folk would stop saying this. Back operations are very risky and no doubt the club were trying to avoid this. They have said it in the article. Three people I know personally have had back surgery that has not been a complete success so I can fully understand why the club and Ryan didn't opt for an operation at the end of last season. I stand by comments I made in previous post that we won't see Ryan back before Christmas if at all next season. It's staggering that people think that the club wouldn't take on board the expert advice that people much more qualified than them on the subject of back problems will have given them. Peter Coates has made it unequivocally clear that a back operation for Ryan was the very last resort. Do people seriously think that he should have ignored the advice of specialists on this subject? We're talking here of our club captain and one of the best players we've ever had. Do you honestly think the club aren't going to do the very best they possibly can for Ryan Shawcross? But hey, as long as we've got somebody to blame, that's the main thing.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 6, 2015 15:52:51 GMT
Wish folk would stop saying this. Back operations are very risky and no doubt the club were trying to avoid this. They have said it in the article. Three people I know personally have had back surgery that has not been a complete success so I can fully understand why the club and Ryan didn't opt for an operation at the end of last season. I stand by comments I made in previous post that we won't see Ryan back before Christmas if at all next season. It's staggering that people think that the club haven't taken on board the expert advice that people much more qualified than them on the subject of back problems will have given them. Peter Coates has made it unequivocally clear that a back operation for Ryan was the very last resort. Do people seriously think that he should have ignored the advice of specialists on this subject? We're talking here of our club captain and one of the best players we've ever had. Do you honestly think the club aren't going to do the very best they possibly can for Ryan Shawcross? But hey, as long as we've got somebody to blame, that's the main thing. It's the lack of a plan B Dave, given the possibility that Shawcross would breakdown. The current alternatives aren't up to the job. They could of hung on to Huth until after pre season, or had a commanding alternative waiting in the wings.
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Post by Davef on Aug 6, 2015 15:54:56 GMT
It's staggering that people think that the club haven't taken on board the expert advice that people much more qualified than them on the subject of back problems will have given them. Peter Coates has made it unequivocally clear that a back operation for Ryan was the very last resort. Do people seriously think that he should have ignored the advice of specialists on this subject? We're talking here of our club captain and one of the best players we've ever had. Do you honestly think the club aren't going to do the very best they possibly can for Ryan Shawcross? But hey, as long as we've got somebody to blame, that's the main thing. It's the lack of a plan B Dave, given the possibility that Shawcross would breakdown. The current alternatives aren't up to the job. They could of hung on to Huth until after pre season, or had a commanding alternative waiting in the wings. That's a different subject altogether mate. The club may regret it if a player isn't brought in to replace Ryan, but they simply can't be blamed for taking on board what is undoubtedly expert advice on his injury.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 6, 2015 15:56:25 GMT
I assume we took on board expert advice when not signing Demba Ba too?
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 6, 2015 15:57:17 GMT
Wish folk would stop saying this. Back operations are very risky and no doubt the club were trying to avoid this. They have said it in the article. Three people I know personally have had back surgery that has not been a complete success so I can fully understand why the club and Ryan didn't opt for an operation at the end of last season. I stand by comments I made in previous post that we won't see Ryan back before Christmas if at all next season. It's staggering that people think that the club wouldn't take on board the expert advice that people much more qualified than them on the subject of back problems will have given them. Peter Coates has made it unequivocally clear that a back operation for Ryan was the very last resort. Do people seriously think that he should have ignored the advice of specialists on this subject? We're talking here of our club captain and one of the best players we've ever had. Do you honestly think the club aren't going to do the very best they possibly can for Ryan Shawcross? But hey, as long as we've got somebody to blame, that's the main thing. We even had a guy on here saying he had heard the club weren't prepared to pay for Ryan's treatment.Some people are fuckin wands.
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Post by Beardy200 on Aug 6, 2015 15:59:03 GMT
Plenty of cover the bigger risk is the 6 months it could take Bojan to get up to speed which with SN gone exposes the lack of midfield creativity which is chronic Now that's what you call Benji Is this new comedy benj? I like it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 16:03:18 GMT
I assume we took on board expert advice when not signing Demba Ba too? yes and rightly so! hindsight is a wonderful wonderful thing but unfortunately insurers don't use it a great deal when it comes to assessing a risk paying 8mill for a player you cant insure is a bit of a risk isn't it? people can bang on about how he's done since but conveniently forget that he only came to the UK in the end because West Ham paid fuck all for him and got him on a pay as you play deal (i.e. a fuck of a lot less of a risk than we would have been taking!!!!) how many bleeding times does this have to be pointed out????? now, can we drop that turd of a comparison and get on with the thread that has absolutely sod all to do with that weak as shit analogy please?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 6, 2015 16:04:15 GMT
I've not been impressed with Wolly in his time at stoke, but he's been that well considered by people far better qualified than me that he has beEN capped by Germany and played for top Bundesliga sides. Hughes rated him enough to pay half decent money for him after assessing him at close range for half a season He clearly has something about him. Wolly lad, this is your chance to make a few of us look a bit daft
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 16:04:12 GMT
It's staggering that people think that the club haven't taken on board the expert advice that people much more qualified than them on the subject of back problems will have given them. Peter Coates has made it unequivocally clear that a back operation for Ryan was the very last resort. Do people seriously think that he should have ignored the advice of specialists on this subject? We're talking here of our club captain and one of the best players we've ever had. Do you honestly think the club aren't going to do the very best they possibly can for Ryan Shawcross? But hey, as long as we've got somebody to blame, that's the main thing. It's the lack of a plan B Dave, given the possibility that Shawcross would breakdown. The current alternatives aren't up to the job. They could of hung on to Huth until after pre season, or had a commanding alternative waiting in the wings. I was about to say similar
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 16:06:57 GMT
It's the lack of a plan B Dave, given the possibility that Shawcross would breakdown. The current alternatives aren't up to the job. They could of hung on to Huth until after pre season, or had a commanding alternative waiting in the wings. I was about to say similar who says there isn't a Plan B or we simply assuming it's the case as we haven't signed anyone in the 8-10 hours since it was discovered he'd definitely need surgery???? there was no way we could sign someone to command and lead a defence on the off chance the surgery WAS needed..who of any quality would come here on the premise of "You may be needed but we won't know for a few weeks. if not needed then you're fine sitting on the bench for the season aren't you?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 16:09:56 GMT
8 weeks is best case. Worst case slip of the knife and wheelchair. All of the spectrum in between. Apologies to Ryan and family if you read this, but it's the harsh truth. He's got a massive road ahead and I wish him well. "It's the harsh truth" No it's not, it's sensationalistic bollocks!!! He's having spinal surgery not a heart transplant. Here we have a professional athlete whose operation will almost certainly be done by one of the best in the business. The OP will be minimally invasive and he will have access to top quality rehab. He will be fine. Stop spouting rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 16:21:33 GMT
I'm still astonished that we've know all pre season that Ryan was struggling so
A. Why not get him checked out and the op done sooner??
B. Why let huth go knowing Ryan was struggling??
This is a huge setback for us. I really hope Hughes has something in place as muniesas fitness record isn't hardly great
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 6, 2015 16:21:47 GMT
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Post by timbo1988 on Aug 6, 2015 16:26:43 GMT
Yes he is quality! Tall, strong, quick and I imagine bigger clubs would be in for him! His centre back partner Last year who is on man city's books is who I would look at! Deneyer on a season long loan!
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Post by jeycov on Aug 6, 2015 16:30:52 GMT
Yes there was a link to this article the other day. If Ryan had been poached by another club then this is just the sort of player that I think we would be looking at. Either MH thinks that the players we have can play well and hope that they are injury free. Or he looks for a loan for 6 / 12 months to replace Ryan in the 25 Or he buys an experienced CB like Van Djik He is a dutch international so will find some teammates here that he may know The article shows him with John Guidetti - maybe that won't help At least there are 3/4 weeks to sort it one way or another
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 16:35:58 GMT
He'll be fine. We'll be fine.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 6, 2015 16:39:14 GMT
Yes there was a link to this article the other day. If Ryan had been poached by another club then this is just the sort of player that I think we would be looking at. Either MH thinks that the players we have can play well and hope that they are injury free. Or he looks for a loan for 6 / 12 months to replace Ryan in the 25 Or he buys an experienced CB like Van Djik He is a dutch international so will find some teammates here that he may know The article shows him with John Guidetti - maybe that won't help At least there are 3/4 weeks to sort it one way or another We need to do something because although 2 months is the length people are talking about he'll be needed to be bought back in slowly anyway i would imagine. So like you say, this is the call of the board and management to assess that what we allready have is good enough. If it isn't then 10 to 12 million on this sort of player is a small fee to pay for the revenue we will be gaining by staying in the division for the next few seasons. For me a solid defence is a must and it's the reason we have had longevity in this division.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 6, 2015 16:46:15 GMT
I just feel that we are now so vulnerable at the back without Ryan and without Nzonzi's presence
We have a very young goalkeeper who will need more protection than he's likely to get and risks having his confidence shattered by a couple of hammerings (if if that is by the 'big' clubs)
With Cameron, Wollscheid and Muniesa as our 'options' it could well be a long '2 months'
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