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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 20:18:36 GMT
z Franco Baresi played football with his pipe and slippers on. He doesn't need to be an athlete, when he's played well he's read the game well and looked decent on the ball with both feet. When he's got carried away and tried to do his Franz Beckenbauer act he's made himself look silly by getting caught in possession. He's a German international and some on here treat him like we've plucked him from League Two obscurity. I think we've got a lot more to see from him personally...... Blasphemy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sacrilege !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Comparing Franco baresi to Wolly is like comparing Monica bellucci to a cheap street hooker !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:20:26 GMT
For the record we won 7, drew 3 and lost 4 of the games he played in last season. The defeats were the calamity at Blackburn, his debut at Arsenal, Man City at home and Chelsea away......... His performance against Sunderland is the one that most people would be worried about mate. Yep he had a mad half hour and lost his head no arguments from me there. But he's come to a league where the pace and intensity surprises many a player, read an article the other day where Mangala at Man City was saying exactly the same thing and he cost £30m was it? It seems that absolutely no allowances are made for this, He's had a full pre-season now and I'll judge him after seeing him in action this season. Hughes and the team saw him day to day in training and chose to sign him permanently, he's been painted as someone with a bad attitude but not sure why we would sign him and risk squad unity if that was the case? Time will tell I guess......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:22:49 GMT
z Franco Baresi played football with his pipe and slippers on. He doesn't need to be an athlete, when he's played well he's read the game well and looked decent on the ball with both feet. When he's got carried away and tried to do his Franz Beckenbauer act he's made himself look silly by getting caught in possession. He's a German international and some on here treat him like we've plucked him from League Two obscurity. I think we've got a lot more to see from him personally...... Blasphemy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sacrilege !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Comparing Franco baresi to Wolly is like comparing Monica bellucci to a cheap street hooker !!! Not comparing him to the great Baresi in any way shape or form, simply replying to the point that you can't coach athleticism, a centre back if he reads the game well and does the simple things well and is a good foil for his partner does not need to be a surpreme athlete.....
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2015 20:25:10 GMT
The Oatcake kangaroo court has delivered its verdict on Wolscheid after only a handful of appearances .....some don't even get a handful
It's getting depressingly familiar
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 26, 2015 20:25:29 GMT
His performance against Sunderland is the one that most people would be worried about mate. Yep he had a mad half hour and lost his head no arguments from me there. But he's come to a league where the pace and intensity surprises many a player, read an article the other day where Mangala at Man City was saying exactly the same thing and he cost £30m was it? It seems that absolutely no allowances are made for this, He's had a full pre-season now and I'll judge him after seeing him in action this season. Hughes and the team saw him day to day in training and chose to sign him permanently, he's been painted as someone with a bad attitude but not sure why we would sign him and risk squad unity if that was the case? Time will tell I guess...... Thats fair comment mate,i just wish i shared your optimism
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 20:56:51 GMT
The Oatcake kangaroo court has delivered its verdict on Wolscheid after only a handful of appearances .....some don't even get a handful It's getting depressingly familiar He had a 6 month trial, it was more than enough.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 21:03:46 GMT
a) he is not Franco Baresi by any stretch of the imagination more Steven Tweed.
b)after seeing him ripped to shreds by a second choice lower league striker he may end up in League two obscurity.
Was Ricky Lambert an England international not so long ago.
For the record we won 7, drew 3 and lost 4 of the games he played in last season. The defeats were the calamity at Blackburn, his debut at Arsenal, Man City at home and Chelsea away......... Interesting stats. how many games was he dropped/rested for ?
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 26, 2015 21:24:14 GMT
The Oatcake kangaroo court has delivered its verdict on Wolscheid after only a handful of appearances .....some don't even get a handful It's getting depressingly familiar He had a 6 month trial, it was more than enough. our manager thinks hes good enough,are you saying our manager doesnt know his stuff ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 21:27:58 GMT
He had a 6 month trial, it was more than enough. our manager thinks hes good enough,are you saying our manager doesnt know his stuff ? I'm not convinced when it comes to him and defenders......
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 26, 2015 21:29:25 GMT
our manager thinks hes good enough,are you saying our manager doesnt know his stuff ? I'm not convinced when it comes to him and defenders...... didnt we concede our least amount of prem goals last season ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 21:32:31 GMT
I'm not convinced when it comes to him and defenders...... didnt we concede our least amount of prem goals last season ? I think we did but I still had to wear my brown trousers more than is comfortable which is how I judge it.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 26, 2015 21:33:37 GMT
I'm not convinced when it comes to him and defenders...... didnt we concede our least amount of prem goals last season ? Don't start giving Bayern cold hard facts, it spoils his fantasy of knowing everything. You know, like he thinks he knows better than our manager when it comes to defenders.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2015 21:36:08 GMT
He had a 6 month trial, it was more than enough. our manager thinks hes good enough,are you saying our manager doesnt know his stuff ? I think Hughes likes Wolscheids eye for a pass. I think he values that more than I do! Muniesa is a proper footballer and a better defender,let's hope he and Ryan are fit every week
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 21:38:02 GMT
didnt we concede our least amount of prem goals last season ? Don't start giving Bayern cold hard facts, it spoils his fantasy of knowing everything. You know, like he thinks he knows better than our manager when it comes to defenders. I don't think I know better, it's my opinion, it's what I'd do and it just so happens to be different. Our defence was an issue last season, it was discussed a hell of a lot last season, we made too many errors and conceded too many goals from set pieces which isn't acceptable. We then had the coup de grace which was Bowen's pathetic interview about needing a player like Huth but quite clearly not Huth and then we sign the complete opposite, a weak, slow, insipid, coward of a defender.
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 26, 2015 21:39:16 GMT
didnt we concede our least amount of prem goals last season ? I think we did but I still had to wear my brown trousers more than is comfortable which is how I judge it. you dont judge our defense on how well they defend,you judge em on how often you wear brown trousers,bayern,,,stop now mate,im cringing for you,
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 21:39:37 GMT
His performance against Sunderland is the one that most people would be worried about mate. Yep he had a mad half hour and lost his head no arguments from me there. But he's come to a league where the pace and intensity surprises many a player, read an article the other day where Mangala at Man City was saying exactly the same thing and he cost £30m was it? It seems that absolutely no allowances are made for this, He's had a full pre-season now and I'll judge him after seeing him in action this season. Hughes and the team saw him day to day in training and chose to sign him permanently, he's been painted as someone with a bad attitude but not sure why we would sign him and risk squad unity if that was the case? Time will tell I guess...... I almost forgot his performance against Sunderland must have tried to erase it, what a shambles he was I think the decision was made to sign him when we took him on loan, we had our hands tied that can be the only reason we paid good money to make the deal permanent, must have been some fall out with Rob.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 21:41:14 GMT
Don't start giving Bayern cold hard facts, it spoils his fantasy of knowing everything. You know, like he thinks he knows better than our manager when it comes to defenders. I don't think I know better, it's my opinion, it's what I'd do and it just so happens to be different. Our defence was an issue last season, it was discussed a hell of a lot last season, we made too many errors and conceded too many goals from set pieces which isn't acceptable. We then had the coup de grace which was Bowen's pathetic interview about needing a player like Huth but quite clearly not Huth and then we sign the complete opposite, a weak, slow, insipid, coward of a defender. sums Wolly up perfectly joke signing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 21:42:29 GMT
I think we did but I still had to wear my brown trousers more than is comfortable which is how I judge it. you dont judge our defense on how well they defend,you judge em on how often you wear brown trousers,bayern,,,stop now mate,im cringing for you, Really not sure if that's a whoooosh or not. I think it might be.....it can't be though surely?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 21:43:59 GMT
didnt we concede our least amount of prem goals last season ? I think we did but I still had to wear my brown trousers more than is comfortable which is how I judge it. Probably time to scrap all quantifiable measures like goals conceded, goals scored, points in the bag etc and replace them with your brown trouser system. It sounds fucking ace........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 21:49:24 GMT
I think we did but I still had to wear my brown trousers more than is comfortable which is how I judge it. Probably time to scrap all quantifiable measures like goals conceded, goals scored, points in the bag etc and replace them with your brown trouser system. It sounds fucking ace........ If a defender scares the shit of me, I don't particularly want to watch them, I'm a very nervy watcher of Stoke as it is! I actually rate it massively high. Shawcross doesn't scare me, Muni doesn't, Pieters mainly doesn't, Wilson has a moment a game, as does Geoff and Wolly. I don't like those moments.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2015 21:50:51 GMT
I think the easiest way to sum it up is that despite having far more possession than we've enjoyed in the past, we seem to concede goals when we are well on top, mostly via set pieces.
Generally we concede less now because we defend less due to our enhanced attacking play but (and I certainly don't have the stats to back it up!) it feels like teams don't have to do much to score when situations arise for them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 21:54:27 GMT
I think the easiest way to sum it up is that despite having far more possession than we've enjoyed in the past, we seem to concede goals when we are well on top, mostly via set pieces. Generally we concede less now because we defend less due to our enhanced attacking play but (and I certainly don't have the stats to back it up!) it feels like teams don't have to do much to score when situations arise for them. And the goals are down to sloppy, basic errors and that's what makes it even more frustrating. Combined with us making scoring look so bloody hard, it's annoying!
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 26, 2015 22:06:52 GMT
I think the easiest way to sum it up is that despite having far more possession than we've enjoyed in the past, we seem to concede goals when we are well on top, mostly via set pieces. Generally we concede less now because we defend less due to our enhanced attacking play but (and I certainly don't have the stats to back it up!) it feels like teams don't have to do much to score when situations arise for them. we dont "seem " to concede less goals,the stats confirm that its a" fact" that we concede less goals.what more can a defence do?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 22:09:39 GMT
I think the easiest way to sum it up is that despite having far more possession than we've enjoyed in the past, we seem to concede goals when we are well on top, mostly via set pieces. Generally we concede less now because we defend less due to our enhanced attacking play but (and I certainly don't have the stats to back it up!) it feels like teams don't have to do much to score when situations arise for them. we dont "seem " to concede less goals,the stats confirm that its a" fact" that we concede less goals.what more can a defence do? Not make as many individual mistakes as they do and concede less goals from set pieces. Set pieces in general need working on though, if we could sort them out at both ends last we'd have finished way up the table.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 26, 2015 22:16:16 GMT
It always amazes me how many arm chair posters on this forum are prepared to write - off a player so quickly. Obviously they know a lot more about the game than erm... The manager of our club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 22:17:30 GMT
It always amazes me how many arm chair posters on this forum are prepared to write - off a player so quickly. Obviously they know a lot more about the game than erm... The manager of our club. Lets shut this place, Twitter, the pub and any talk of football and footballers down. What a stupid argument.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 22:21:38 GMT
It always amazes me how many arm chair posters on this forum are prepared to write - off a player so quickly. Obviously they know a lot more about the game than erm... The manager of our club. After 14 games you sort of get a pretty good picture of a player, well most do how many do you think we should judge him on ?
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 26, 2015 22:21:32 GMT
It always amazes me how many arm chair posters on this forum are prepared to write - off a player so quickly. Obviously they know a lot more about the game than erm... The manager of our club. Lets shut this place, Twitter, the pub and any talk of football and footballers down. What a stupid argument. No, the stupid argument is writing - off a player, that hasn't been given a chance, also the pathetic little names OTHER posters have been calling our own fucking player is also stupid. I am all for opinions being different and being discussed, but not to the point you start calling him a coward, that's just spiteful bullshit, and when you spew that kind of rubbish, you really do make yourself look... Stupid.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 26, 2015 22:22:29 GMT
It always amazes me how many arm chair posters on this forum are prepared to write - off a player so quickly. Obviously they know a lot more about the game than erm... The manager of our club. After 14 games you sort of get a pretty good picture of a player, well most do how many do you think we should judge him on ? 15
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2015 22:24:39 GMT
I think the easiest way to sum it up is that despite having far more possession than we've enjoyed in the past, we seem to concede goals when we are well on top, mostly via set pieces. Generally we concede less now because we defend less due to our enhanced attacking play but (and I certainly don't have the stats to back it up!) it feels like teams don't have to do much to score when situations arise for them. We concede goals at set pieces and crosses in general as we have lots of defenders who ball watch. Our shape is pretty good,we don't get pulled apart. So frustrating.
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