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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2015 11:11:24 GMT
I don't think Bojan had a massive amount of alternatives - the main competition appeared to be a club heading towards relegation and bankruptcy - but more significantly we had his pal here already. Without that I'm fairly convinced we would have lost out there too. We should offer good terms and lay out a vision of the future for both player and club. It really shouldn't take that long for the party concerned to then give an answer - if we are making the right proposals to the right players. It depends what your definition of 'right' players is though. We could quite easily raid some clubs from the Championship and bring in a whole stack of players who 'want' to play for Stoke and have all our transfer dealings finished in a week. However next level players, ie players who are better than the players we've already got at the club aren't going to see us as anything like a first choice destination, ergo these type of signings are always going to take time to get across the line. And just what is the problem with that? Either they do or they don't - so what?
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Post by elystokie on Jul 3, 2015 11:11:56 GMT
More content? And they'd rather be back at Wycombe away on a wet Saturday afternoon? Get real. Good strip joint on the way to the Wycombe away end :) Was there a Hooters bar near the Wycombe ground or did I imagine that? I can remember being in a pub in Bradford before a game and they had strippers on the tables of the pub I was in, if I hadn't already bought a ticket for the match...
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 3, 2015 11:24:57 GMT
I don't think Bojan had a massive amount of alternatives - the main competition appeared to be a club heading towards relegation and bankruptcy - but more significantly we had his pal here already. Without that I'm fairly convinced we would have lost out there too. We should offer good terms and lay out a vision of the future for both player and club. It really shouldn't take that long for the party concerned to then give an answer - if we are making the right proposals to the right players. but the players we're in for are now the kinds of players that clubs like everton,sevilla etc. are also in for.anyone who thinks "offer a player the package,if they're not happy then fuck 'em and move on" has either never seen any Premiership transfers or is happy to only sign championship quality players....it just DOESN'T happen like that!!!!!! Finding youngsters like Muni who eventually turn out to be damn good but no-one else really wants and you can sign for peanuts are ridiculously rare finds...there is NO way a club can hope to live on just those kind of signings. some on here need to realise it's 2015 in the Prem (not 1995 in the shit leagues) and John Lennon's vision of the world being a lovely,friendly place where everyone's ideals were realised didn't actually fucking come to fruition! Really don't know what shit some on here have been smoking to be honest..... I'm just wondering what experience you have of premiership transfers Mick. Probably about as much as anyone on here...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2015 11:30:21 GMT
but the players we're in for are now the kinds of players that clubs like everton,sevilla etc. are also in for.anyone who thinks "offer a player the package,if they're not happy then fuck 'em and move on" has either never seen any Premiership transfers or is happy to only sign championship quality players....it just DOESN'T happen like that!!!!!! Finding youngsters like Muni who eventually turn out to be damn good but no-one else really wants and you can sign for peanuts are ridiculously rare finds...there is NO way a club can hope to live on just those kind of signings. some on here need to realise it's 2015 in the Prem (not 1995 in the shit leagues) and John Lennon's vision of the world being a lovely,friendly place where everyone's ideals were realised didn't actually fucking come to fruition! Really don't know what shit some on here have been smoking to be honest..... I'm just wondering what experience you have of premiership transfers Mick. Probably about as much as anyone on here... He's expressing his (considered) opinion about the topic ... you know, in the same way that you did, when you started this very thread.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 3, 2015 11:32:40 GMT
I'm just wondering what experience you have of premiership transfers Mick. Probably about as much as anyone on here... He's expressing his (considered) opinion about the topic ... you know, in the same way that you did, when you started this very thread. I didn't realise he had a PA but thanks for replying on his behalf.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:33:15 GMT
but the players we're in for are now the kinds of players that clubs like everton,sevilla etc. are also in for.anyone who thinks "offer a player the package,if they're not happy then fuck 'em and move on" has either never seen any Premiership transfers or is happy to only sign championship quality players....it just DOESN'T happen like that!!!!!! Finding youngsters like Muni who eventually turn out to be damn good but no-one else really wants and you can sign for peanuts are ridiculously rare finds...there is NO way a club can hope to live on just those kind of signings. some on here need to realise it's 2015 in the Prem (not 1995 in the shit leagues) and John Lennon's vision of the world being a lovely,friendly place where everyone's ideals were realised didn't actually fucking come to fruition! Really don't know what shit some on here have been smoking to be honest..... I'm just wondering what experience you have of premiership transfers Mick. Probably about as much as anyone on here... very true but that doesn't mean i haven't been able to observe the way virtually every prem transfer for a decent quality has gone for the last 10 or so years!! How many top quality players have signed for mid table clubs in the prem within 48 hours of a bid being made you reckon? Fuck all is the answer you're looking for UNLESS they've been a) offered ludicrous money or b) the result of a HUGE gamble that luckily worked out. Personally i'm happy not to take either of those options myself....as are the vast majority of Prem managers it would appear or clubs like chelsea,man utd,arsenal,man city wouldn't have got about 90% of their current stars if they'd played the "sign in 48 hours or fuck off" mantra.we also wouldn't have bojan,muni,bego,diouf and n'zonzi would have been sold 2 years ago
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2015 11:35:32 GMT
He's expressing his (considered) opinion about the topic ... you know, in the same way that you did, when you started this very thread. I didn't realise he had a PA but thanks for replying on his behalf. Just thought you were being a hypocrite mate, that's all.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 3, 2015 11:39:05 GMT
I didn't realise he had a PA but thanks for replying on his behalf. Just thought you were being a hypocrite mate, that's all. No, not at all. I was asking a question, that's all mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:42:36 GMT
Just thought you were being a hypocrite mate, that's all. No, not at all. I was asking a question, that's all mate. a fairly patronising and facetious one though it has to be said! You don't have to have managerial experience to observe and realise that nearly all transfers for clubs like ours for top quality players have ALWAYS taken weeks to come off (if they do) since the Prem more or less started.if you're happy for mid table championship players to come in (as they'll be the only ones snapping our hands off to sign) then fair play mate. Personally i (and it appears the club) have a bit more ambition than that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:43:16 GMT
What doesn't help on here is the endless nonsense from our in the know nothing crew who think they are helping things by passing on information, when ultimately the odd photo here and there and snippet is useless unless you know the full information.
As soon as a photo or snippet appears then we have tantrums if they haven't signed by the end of the day or week.
Sometimes a little bit of information is very dangerous.
I'm glad SLP have decided to keep information quiet by the use of PMs, that way if nothing comes of it then the tantrums will be none existent.
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Post by wuzza on Jul 3, 2015 11:43:50 GMT
Example of right sort of player at right time of career is Diouf. Best overall policy is , as we seem to be doing, get a healthy crop of talented late teen, early 20's players who we can develop. The skill of our transfer team should be in identifying players who will not involve us in battles we have little chance of winning. Swansea for example seem very good at this. I don't think there is anything particularly idealistic in this belief.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2015 11:43:54 GMT
Just thought you were being a hypocrite mate, that's all. No, not at all. I was asking a question, that's all mate. It's a bit rich to start a thread criticising our transfer policy and then when somebody disagrees with your argument, to turn around and ask them how much personal experience they have of doing transfers, especially when you tell them what you believe the answer is at the same time you asked the question, ie. none.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2015 11:45:53 GMT
Good strip joint on the way to the Wycombe away end Was there a Hooters bar near the Wycombe ground or did I imagine that? I can remember being in a pub in Bradford before a game and they had strippers on the tables of the pub I was in, if I hadn't already bought a ticket for the match... No this was just a boozer mate with afternoon entertainment followed by rattling of a pint pot to show your appreciation!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:46:19 GMT
What doesn't help on here is the endless nonsense from our in the know nothing crew who think they are helping things by passing on information, when ultimately the odd photo here and there and snippet is useless unless you know the full information. As soon as a photo or snippet appears then we have tantrums if they haven't signed by the end of the day or week. Sometimes a little bit of information is very dangerous. I'm glad SLP have decided to keep information quiet by the use of PMs, that way if nothing comes of it then the tantrums will be none existent. spot on mate! Always been the issue (as Davef alluded to as well) too many presuming the subject of a thread equates to the actual reality of the situation.says far more about the posters who read it and take it as gospel than it does about the club!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:48:01 GMT
Example of right sort of player at right time of career is Diouf. Best overall policy is , as we seem to be doing, get a healthy crop of talented late teen, early 20's players who we can develop. The skill of our transfer team should be in identifying players who will not involve us in battles we have little chance of winning. Swansea for example seem very good at this. I don't think there is anything particularly idealistic in this belief. the player who took 2 transfer windows to get through the door you mean? Thought you basically advocated showing the player the right package and if they don't like it quickly then sack them off?
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 3, 2015 11:48:26 GMT
I'm just wondering what experience you have of premiership transfers Mick. Probably about as much as anyone on here... very true but that doesn't mean i haven't been able to observe the way virtually every prem transfer for a decent quality has gone for the last 10 or so years!! How many top quality players have signed for mid table clubs in the prem within 48 hours of a bid being made you reckon? Fuck all is the answer you're looking for UNLESS they've been a) offered ludicrous money or b) the result of a HUGE gamble that luckily worked out. Personally i'm happy not to take either of those options myself....as are the vast majority of Prem managers it would appear or clubs like chelsea,man utd,arsenal,man city wouldn't have got about 90% of their current stars if they'd played the "sign in 48 hours or fuck off" mantra.we also wouldn't have bojan,muni,bego,diouf and n'zonzi would have been sold 2 years ago I guess I'm finding it incredibly frustrating that we seem to be pissed around. I'm sure you are too. As you're aware, this problem seems to be historic with SCFC. We're a club on the up and I feel that we need to get relatively quick decisions from players, otherwise we'll be known as a 'last ditch' club, not a club that has serious ambition with a fantastic manager at the helm. My other worry is that Hughes will fuck off as a result of our reputation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:56:16 GMT
very true but that doesn't mean i haven't been able to observe the way virtually every prem transfer for a decent quality has gone for the last 10 or so years!! How many top quality players have signed for mid table clubs in the prem within 48 hours of a bid being made you reckon? Fuck all is the answer you're looking for UNLESS they've been a) offered ludicrous money or b) the result of a HUGE gamble that luckily worked out. Personally i'm happy not to take either of those options myself....as are the vast majority of Prem managers it would appear or clubs like chelsea,man utd,arsenal,man city wouldn't have got about 90% of their current stars if they'd played the "sign in 48 hours or fuck off" mantra.we also wouldn't have bojan,muni,bego,diouf and n'zonzi would have been sold 2 years ago I guess I'm finding it incredibly frustrating that we seem to be pissed around. I'm sure you are too. As you're aware, this problem seems to be historic with SCFC. We're a club on the up and I feel that we need to get relatively quick decisions from players, otherwise we'll be known as a 'last ditch' club, not a club that has serious ambition with a fantastic manager at the helm. My other worry is that Hughes will fuck off as a result of our reputation. i can perfectly understand your frustration mate but that's pretty much solely down to social media not our club! These protracted negotiations have always gone on in the past but back then we didn't have everyone posting on messageboards every minute of every day,people updating new rumours on twitter every second etc.etc. Half of the shit ITKers have posted on the other threads getting people excited won't even be true but because they post it people wonder why nothings come to fruition and then blame the club for it. If this era of "every snippet has to be posted and updated every other second" and "i HAVE to post something to look more ITK than anyone else" didn't exist then the frustration wouldn't be there....if someone had said 2 weeks ago we were looking at shaqiri,then a few days ago said our bid had been accepted and that was it then we wouldn't have people with their conspiracy bullshit (i.e. konos move was difficult because of the ukranian mob) making bigger situations than what is,in reality,fairly standard for clubs in our position.people would just wait and see what happens
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2015 11:59:13 GMT
These individual player transfer threads are almost embarrassing. Xherdan will not sign and has absolutely no intention in doing so (see Kono thread for the same outcome). If an offer is made and accepted, we need to give the player a deadline for their signature. Otherwise we end up looking silly. My Dad always used to say 'don't let the tail wag the dog '. SCFC are bigger than any player and I'm confident that we'll add real quality. There's a bit of a pattern happening here folks... signings that are in the press (and on here) are not happening. Those that are under the radar,are. This quite clearly shows that all the 'in the know' ramblings on here are complete bollocks, as is all the Twitter shite. I'll take a wild guess and say that our next signing will not have 240 odd pages of speculation before a deal is agreed by all parties. Bojan was in the press............................
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Post by RAF on Jul 3, 2015 12:10:40 GMT
It fucking beats waiting another whole summer for Bobby bastard Zamora to tell us to fuck off again at the very least!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 12:27:36 GMT
It fucking beats waiting another whole summer for Bobby bastard Zamora to tell us to fuck off again at the very least! H shit! When did he officially say he wouldn't sign? Was excited about this one!
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jul 3, 2015 12:38:27 GMT
It fucking beats waiting another whole summer for Bobby bastard Zamora to tell us to fuck off again at the very least! H "If the shit hits the fan as we wait for Xherdan......<smile> ....not Zamora" ...or something funny.
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Post by pumper on Jul 3, 2015 13:52:58 GMT
It fucking beats waiting another whole summer for Bobby bastard Zamora to tell us to fuck off again at the very least! H "When the shit hits the fan as we await Xherdan......<smile> ....not Zamora" ...or something funny. Bobby " the bastard" Zamora...lol
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 3, 2015 14:09:05 GMT
Example of right sort of player at right time of career is Diouf. Best overall policy is , as we seem to be doing, get a healthy crop of talented late teen, early 20's players who we can develop. The skill of our transfer team should be in identifying players who will not involve us in battles we have little chance of winning. Swansea for example seem very good at this. I don't think there is anything particularly idealistic in this belief. the player who took 2 transfer windows to get through the door you mean? Thought you basically advocated showing the player the right package and if they don't like it quickly then sack them off? We actually got him on the third attempt. Failed in the first summer window, failed in the next January window (with a lower bid) and got him, when out of contract, for free (with no doubt a hefty signing on fee) the following summer. As you suggest, anyone who holds the Diouf signing up as an example of an easy or quick transfer has been smoking some powerful weed!
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Post by senojbor on Jul 3, 2015 14:44:54 GMT
It fucking beats waiting another whole summer for Bobby bastard Zamora to tell us to fuck off again at the very least! H And don't forget Carlton Cole!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2015 15:09:16 GMT
It fucking beats waiting another whole summer for Bobby bastard Zamora to tell us to fuck off again at the very least! H We did manage to sign some decent players in the past though. In fact they made up 2/3rds of our starting 11 last season.
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Post by RAF on Jul 3, 2015 15:38:04 GMT
It fucking beats waiting another whole summer for Bobby bastard Zamora to tell us to fuck off again at the very least! H We did manage to sign some decent players in the past though. In fact they made up 2/3rds of our starting 11 last season. Shame the person who signed them had reached his peak with them and we needed someone better to get the absolute best out of them with the best two seasons back to back. H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2015 15:39:41 GMT
We did manage to sign some decent players in the past though. In fact they made up 2/3rds of our starting 11 last season. Shame the person who signed them had reached his peak with them and we needed someone better to get the absolute best out of them with the best two seasons back to back. H Good signings though, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:43:37 GMT
Shame the person who signed them had reached his peak with them and we needed someone better to get the absolute best out of them with the best two seasons back to back. H Good signings though, eh? Good lad, Scholsey. Great deals.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2015 15:49:34 GMT
Good signings though, eh? Good lad, Scholsey. Great deals. That's when big Tone was running the show. Not weedy bean counter Tone.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 3, 2015 15:50:46 GMT
We did manage to sign some decent players in the past though. In fact they made up 2/3rds of our starting 11 last season. Shame the person who signed them had reached his peak with them and we needed someone better to get the absolute best out of them with the best two seasons back to back. H
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