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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 2, 2015 11:45:06 GMT
Amidst all the furore of Shaqiri and Kono it would be interesting to see what the plans are for our own midfield maestro Ollie Shenton? Willhe integrate further into the first team with further substitute appearances (after the touching event of letting him play against Man City after his mother died - Well Done Hughes and Co!) or will he disappear into the loan market for some "1st team" experience?
It just seems to have gone quiet after last seasons excitment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 11:47:34 GMT
Who needs N'Zonzi right!?  Seriously though would love him to come good and be a solid Premier League player, would be ace to have a quality homegrown Stokie in the first team. Would fill me with pride that! |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 2, 2015 11:50:16 GMT
He's not 18 yet, give him a chance.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 2, 2015 11:52:25 GMT
He's an exciting prospect but, at his age, he surely needs competitive games to progress. That looks a touch unlikely for Stoke just at this moment so surely we'll have to get him out on loan.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 2, 2015 11:54:19 GMT
Who needs N'Zonzi right!? :D Seriously though would love him to come good and be a solid Premier League player, would be ace to have a quality homegrown Stokie in the first team. Would fill me with pride that! The vision of him waiting to come on against Man C with a fuck off smile on his face will stay with me for a very long time. |
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Post by breakonthrough on Jul 2, 2015 12:01:47 GMT
It was great to see wasn't he, he was filled with pride. By all accounts he's apparently very humble and a nice lad my cousin was in his class as school.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 2, 2015 12:02:36 GMT
I'd play him in pre-season, see how he gels with the first team on the pitch, we need to be careful with him given what he's been through, so I don't agree with sending him out on loan, not just yet anyway.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 2, 2015 12:11:07 GMT
I'd play him in pre-season, see how he gels with the first team on the pitch, we need to be careful with him given what he's been through, so I don't agree with sending him out on loan, not just yet anyway. Me neither, after what he's been through he needs to stay in the area. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 2, 2015 12:13:10 GMT
Personally, I think Leslie missed a trick in not giving him more game time at the back end of last season.
This would clearly have given the lad a boost.
With all these names flying around as potential new signings, it does make you wonder if the future holds in store for him.
Lets see what type of character he is, hopefully he will be given a chance.......
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 2, 2015 12:15:08 GMT
I'd play him in pre-season, see how he gels with the first team on the pitch, we need to be careful with him given what he's been through, so I don't agree with sending him out on loan, not just yet anyway. He's on the fringe here already mate so I think he really needs games in a competative arena. You're right that he needs careful handling though so I'd send him to Crewe (if they want him of course). They know how to handle young players and 'blood them' for football at a higher level. I think he'd learn a lot there and get valuable experience, the type he won't get by simply associating with our 'stars'. Crewe's manager has recently stated that it's his midfield that he needs to strengthen. |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 2, 2015 12:20:22 GMT
Ha ha! Chance fully given [  ] Just wondering as an aside if anyone knew of anything regarding his future (away from the kono and Shaq will they, won't they sagas). With the possible enquires into signing players like Roberto and Molina, where does Shenton's development fit into it? I agree webby, it would fill me with pride too... Even more so if he was able to break into the England set up in the future (although it is far too early for that!) |
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Post by foster on Jul 2, 2015 12:24:33 GMT
I don't see him being good enough to be honest. Our team is getting stronger season on season and as it does so the step up to the senior squad becomes more difficult. This is likely why we're starting to look abroad and bring in some higher quality overseas talent. The home grown crop of players probably doesn't look as promising as it did a few seasons ago.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 2, 2015 12:31:25 GMT
I'm hoping he's part of the squad for pre-season especially given that Bojan is going to be missing most of it so its a useful opportunity to see how he gets on in the first team. Plenty of time yet for the lad and I've every confidence that if he's good enough Hughes will play him.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 2, 2015 12:50:15 GMT
You just know that this is going to go pear shaped. Next season will see him becoming more of a fringe player with some games under his belt. His head will get turned by Everton and they offer £500k which we refuse, it goes to tribunal and they are made to pay £750k. Ollie becomes a solid PL midfield player with Everton and they sell him for £15m to Man Utd when he's 22. Can just see it happening.
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Post by theresonly1hudson on Jul 2, 2015 13:11:33 GMT
shenton will grow bigger and better and learn more with bojan and shaq and when the go shenton will cone a 1st player better than he would of been haveing played and trained with them you have to look at the bigger picture
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Post by salopstick on Jul 2, 2015 13:13:18 GMT
Hughes rates him highly
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Post by theresonly1hudson on Jul 2, 2015 13:16:39 GMT
with the likes of shenton and moha at the club the futcher doesnt half look bright
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Post by lichfieldboy on Jul 2, 2015 13:38:29 GMT
I wouldn't get too carried away, Liverpool, arsenal, Chelsea etc have been filling their academies with foreign imports for years and I can't think of many that have broken into the first team! That said, it's got to be good for all the boys if the 21's is stronger, last years team lost to Walsall Wood in the Staffs cup, it's hard to go from there to breaking into the first team squad!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 2, 2015 13:38:48 GMT
shenton will grow bigger and better and learn more with bojan and shaq and when the go shenton will cone a 1st player better than he would of been haveing played and trained with them you have to look at the bigger picture But it so rarely works that way mate. We have a pretty deep squad and, although I agree he'll learn from our top players, he won't get game experience because we probably can't provide him with that with any kind of regularity given our squad. He does need treating with care and bringing along slowly and (IMO) he's too young and inexperienced to expect him to cope with the quality he would have to cope with at this level. He will only get regular, competitive game experience on loan at a club that can give him regular football. He could be out on loan for the next two seasons and he'd STILL only be 19. Hughes knows him far better than I do and maybe he really is THAT good that he could push for inclusion here in the near future. Most youngsters benefit from going out to get competitive games and I'm guessing he would too. I suggested Crewe because they know how to look after young players and (IMO) he'd return all the better for it. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 2, 2015 14:03:31 GMT
It was a crying shame that Palacios and that Brazilian lump Teixeira were making the bench at the end of the season because our players were dropping like flies.
At times I was mystified as to why Shenton didnt at least make the bench just as basic cover.
It makes me wonder if he hasnt quite developed as had been hoped? Or did he suffer some injuries?
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 2, 2015 14:06:06 GMT
It was a crying shame that Palacios and that Brazilian lump Teixeira were making the bench at the end of the season because our players were dropping like flies. At times I was mystified as to why Shenton didnt at least make the bench just as basic cover. It makes me wonder if he hasnt quite developed as had been hoped? Or did he suffer some injuries? You do realise he's 17 |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 2, 2015 14:13:14 GMT
It was a crying shame that Palacios and that Brazilian lump Teixeira were making the bench at the end of the season because our players were dropping like flies. At times I was mystified as to why Shenton didnt at least make the bench just as basic cover. It makes me wonder if he hasnt quite developed as had been hoped? Or did he suffer some injuries? You do realise he's 17 Quite right mate and I'm probably being a bit 'previous' in even think about loaning him out. He probably needs to continue his development in the youth team at the moment. Imagine you're 17 years of age and you're thrown in against the quality of opponent he'd face in the Premier League. I know some will say "If you're good enough, you're old enough" but the kids that can cope with that are very few and far between. For all I know, he just MIGHT be that good but he's been through tough times of late and he needs to be treated very carefully. I can't imagine he's going to feature for Stoke for some considerable time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 14:18:05 GMT
I'd rather he got used to the prem with a couple of sub appearances a season than get lumped into the lower leagues on loan, then have to adapt again when he returns
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Post by happychappy on Jul 2, 2015 14:21:33 GMT
I think with these added players in the development squad and maybe the inclusion of Shaqiri (still got a feeling he won't sign) can only be beneficial to someone like Shenton. He'll have quality players in and around him. Champions league winners. Players of the highest caliber (available to us as of yet). Young potential he will train with day in day out. That can only advance him surely. The better player your playing with the better you improve.
He's not turned 18 yet. To think we could of a midfield of the two youngsters for Madrid and Ollie playing as a center 3 in a few years time. Now that would be special. Players who've trained for years together playing first team football. We could have our own 'class of 92'.
Exciting times for Stoke now snd like I've put in another thread this could be the most exciting time in our history in the coming years.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 2, 2015 14:39:21 GMT
It was a crying shame that Palacios and that Brazilian lump Teixeira were making the bench at the end of the season because our players were dropping like flies. At times I was mystified as to why Shenton didnt at least make the bench just as basic cover. It makes me wonder if he hasnt quite developed as had been hoped? Or did he suffer some injuries? You do realise he's 17 Yes. Age is just a number. He made the matchday squad a few times in Hughes first season but I think only once last season.* *Dont hold me to that fact I have the memory of a goldfish |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 14:40:50 GMT
I'd rather he got used to the prem with a couple of sub appearances a season than get lumped into the lower leagues on loan, then have to adapt again when he returns He won't improve not playing games or sitting on the bench. Get him out on loan for a few months,it's a no brainer |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 2, 2015 14:41:59 GMT
Yes. Age is just a number. He made the matchday squad a few times in Hughes first season but I think only once last season.* *Dont hold me to that fact I have the memory of a goldfish Lol that's completely wrong. Pretty sure he didn't make the squad in Hughes's first season. Last season he was on the bench at least 6 or 7 times. Came on against Portsmouth and Man City. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 2, 2015 14:43:55 GMT
Yes. Age is just a number. He made the matchday squad a few times in Hughes first season but I think only once last season.* *Dont hold me to that fact I have the memory of a goldfish Lol that's completely wrong. Pretty sure he didn't make the squad in Hughes's first season. Last season he was on the bench at least 6 or 7 times. Came on against Portsmouth and Man City. Yeah Im probably talking total ARSE to be fair. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 2, 2015 14:44:54 GMT
Lol that's completely wrong. Pretty sure he didn't make the squad in Hughes's first season. Last season he was on the bench at least 6 or 7 times. Came on against Portsmouth and Man City. Yeah Im probably talking total ARSE to be fair. Think you are mate |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 2, 2015 15:24:54 GMT
with the likes of shenton and moha at the club the futcher doesnt half look bright Have we signed Moha? |
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] Just wondering as an aside if anyone knew of anything regarding his future (away from the kono and Shaq will they, won't they sagas). With the possible enquires into signing players like Roberto and Molina, where does Shenton's development fit into it?
