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Post by stokief on Jun 24, 2015 20:30:57 GMT
' how many will make the step up?' Oh give us a break! If this is what we've got to look forward to at Senior level we may aswell jack it in now!
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2015 20:32:08 GMT
It looks to me as though he's passing his audition for the top job with flying colours!!! I said earlier I thought he had something going with this bunch but frankly I appear to be wrong. Mind boggling tactics and team selection - Forster-Caskey?!?!?!?! Distinct lack of motivation from these players. Once again we are being out played by technically superior players who are motivated to do well for their country and who have the ability to take instructions from superior coaches. As I've said, English football is rotten to the core. There's no tempo to our game mate at all,we are so predictable in everything we do.My prediction is Southgate will resume his media work pretty soon. You're spot on. I now actually think we'd be better off hoofing it at international level. We're just not good enough to play football.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 20:33:58 GMT
What bothers me most is the changing of the tactics and lineup like it's some sort of friendly. You need a rigid team and formation and god knows Southgate has had the time to decide on his best XI, you'd think he was given the job yesterday!
What bothers me second most is the fact none of the players dare take on a man so it's sideways passing constantly.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 24, 2015 20:34:26 GMT
England u-21 team losing to Italian team 3-0... Players from Man United, Spurs, Everton, etc... The Italian players are heralded from such giants as Bari, Sassuolo, Atalanta, Chievo... Say it all doesn't it...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 20:35:15 GMT
There's no tempo to our game mate at all,we are so predictable in everything we do.My prediction is Southgate will resume his media work pretty soon. You're spot on. I now actually think we'd be better off hoofing it at international level. We're just not good enough to play football. Hoofing it you say old boy?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jun 24, 2015 20:36:08 GMT
There's no tempo to our game mate at all,we are so predictable in everything we do.My prediction is Southgate will resume his media work pretty soon. You're spot on. I now actually think we'd be better off hoofing it at international level. We're just not good enough to play football. I'm sure Tone could be tempted away from Rio de Smethwick
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 24, 2015 20:36:10 GMT
Why the frig did we not play Loftus Cheek?
He changed the game for the better the other night.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2015 20:36:22 GMT
Call for the capped messiah. World cup glory beckons...
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Post by Davef on Jun 24, 2015 20:37:24 GMT
There have been shouts on the various transfer threads at some point for Chalobah, Garbutt, Jenkinson, Redmond and Ings this summer.
The first three are nowhere near good enough for our team. The latter two? Meh.
In fact, Garbutt and Chalobah wouldn't improve the Vale.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2015 20:39:56 GMT
Harsh on Jenkinson mate, played well for WHU.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 24, 2015 20:46:41 GMT
Harsh on Jenkinson mate, played well for WHU. Is that the same Jenkinson who was at Asrenal and got done in by Assaidi and Arnie? Wow goes to WHU and becomes a world class RB... overnight. God I love the UK tabloids.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 24, 2015 20:46:42 GMT
The U'21's are symptomatic of English and Premier League football.
Overhyped and massively over-rated.
Italy were supposed to be the weakest team in the group and they've dicked a team full of self proclaimed superstars who earn way too much money given their actual ability.
Absolute garbage but no-one should be surprised.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 24, 2015 20:50:49 GMT
I thought Stones was going to be the real deal. Jesus wept.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 24, 2015 20:53:14 GMT
I thought Stones was going to be the real deal. Jesus wept. I never did and still don't. I just done get it with him. I haven't seen him have a stand out game of football
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 24, 2015 20:53:55 GMT
I thought Stones was going to be the real deal. Jesus wept. We've seen first hand that Stones isn't a patch on Muniesa yet one was fast tracked into England duty when there are numerous better options available and the other is nowhere near international honours for a proper team. Take Joe Mason as an example. Played a few games for Spurs. Seemingly done reasonably well. Straight into the England squad. He isn't fit to lace N'zonzi's boots who is nowhere near the squad of a footballing nation with a proper team.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 24, 2015 20:54:22 GMT
The U'21's are symptomatic of English and Premier League football. Overhyped and massively over-rated. Italy were supposed to be the weakest team in the group and they've dicked a team full of self proclaimed superstars who earn way too much money given their actual ability. Absolute garbage but no-one should be surprised. I knew of a few of the Italian players from Roma and the Inter lads but on closer retrospect... There are quite a few from the Seira B league and even lower. These, Bari, Chievo, Crotone, Atalanta, Sassuolo, Palermo, Cagliari, Empoli, Casena players just dicked Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Spurs and our championship u-21's... Looking at the list of where they ply their trade in comparison to the shit we've put out barring the Forwards and Jack makes you really wonder wtf the supposed "academies" in England are doing when it comes to training these players we are getting in the England setup... Thank fuck we've started to go to the continent to buy some players in all honesty.
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Post by werrington on Jun 24, 2015 20:54:20 GMT
I thought Stones was going to be the real deal. Jesus wept. Roy will say he'll learn from it
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 24, 2015 20:57:08 GMT
The U'21's are symptomatic of English and Premier League football. Overhyped and massively over-rated. Italy were supposed to be the weakest team in the group and they've dicked a team full of self proclaimed superstars who earn way too much money given their actual ability. Absolute garbage but no-one should be surprised. I knew of a few of the Italian players from Roma and the Inter lads but on closer retrospect... There are quite a few from the Seira B league and even lower. These, Bari, Chievo, Crotone, Atalanta, Sassuolo, Palermo, Cagliari, Empoli, Casena players just dicked Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Spurs and our championship u-21's... Looking at the list of where they ply their trade in comparison to the shit we've put out barring the Forwards and Jack makes you really wonder wtf the supposed "academies" in England are doing when it comes to training these players we are getting in the England setup... Thank fuck we've started to go to the continent to buy some players in all honesty. Ah yes, but according to Peter Taylor the reason we've failed so dismally yet again is that our players don't have enough Premier League experience and too many are from the Championship. You really couldn't make up some of the shit that is spouted by way of excuses for a group of players who aren't as good as they think they are.
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Post by Davef on Jun 24, 2015 20:58:15 GMT
Harsh on Jenkinson mate, played well for WHU. Maybe, but how much would you have to pay for him? £10, 12, 15M? Is he that much better than Cameron?
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Post by sportsman on Jun 24, 2015 21:00:38 GMT
Jenkinson, the typical modern defender. Likes to go forward, doesn't like the defensive part of the game. Not great when you're a, defender.
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Post by march4 on Jun 24, 2015 21:02:22 GMT
Depressingly slow passing that the opposition stand and laugh at.
No physicality at either end of the pitch.
No game plan including no defensive plan.
No ethos.
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Post by spawnyruud on Jun 24, 2015 21:16:26 GMT
I reckon salary caps and an international transfer embargo on British players under the age of 21 is the only thing that can improve home nations football right now - we need players who are (and feel like they are) at the peak of their careers in their mid to late twenties and early 30s. Way too many of these lot seem to have a mentality like they are maradonnas when in fact they're barely out of high school. I look at the players of the euro 96 and Italia 90 squads for England and cringe when I compare them to our teams now - passion, national pride and unrelenting effort is completely extinct
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Post by march4 on Jun 24, 2015 21:33:41 GMT
I reckon salary caps and an international transfer embargo on British players under the age of 21 is the only thing that can improve home nations football right now - we need players who are (and feel like they are) at the peak of their careers in their mid to late twenties and early 30s. Way too many of these lot seem to have a mentality like they are maradonnas when in fact they're barely out of high school. I look at the players of the euro 96 and Italia 90 squads for England and cringe when I compare them to our teams now - passion, national pride and unrelenting effort is completely extinct Matthew Syed's book, 'Bounce' expains why Football Academies do not work in this country. It is all to do with us telling young footballers at the start of their careers that they are incredibly talented. Countries such as Germany have a different mental approach and tell the youngsters that they have great potential that will only be realised by working harder than anyone else on every aspect of their development. He knows what he is talking about as a double Olympian and top of his sport in the UK for 10 years. He was talking to Chris Evans on Radio 2 this morning. All of the UK's top table tennis players came from the same street a few houses apart. Reason - they had a good coach who encouraged them all to train every spare hour they had. Nothing to do with talent.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 24, 2015 21:34:11 GMT
I thought Stones was going to be the real deal. Jesus wept. I never did and still don't. I just done get it with him. I haven't seen him have a stand out game of football Me neither.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 24, 2015 21:40:18 GMT
Will this lead to an even greater number of home grown players in the 25 man squad?
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Post by sheriff on Jun 24, 2015 21:40:24 GMT
I thought Stones was going to be the real deal. Jesus wept. We've seen first hand that Stones isn't a patch on Muniesa yet one was fast tracked into England duty when there are numerous better options available and the other is nowhere near international honours for a proper team. Take Joe Mason as an example. Played a few games for Spurs. Seemingly done reasonably well. Straight into the England squad. He isn't fit to lace N'zonzi's boots who is nowhere near the squad of a footballing nation with a proper team. Really? Based on what? Your unbiased opinion? I'm assuming in the 2nd paragraph, you're talking about Ryan Mason in Spurs? So, he keeps 2 seasoned internationals of 2 top football nations in Dembele and Paulinho on the bench in Spurs, but he "isn't fit to lace Nzonzi's boots"? Another unbiased comment?
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Post by swampySCFC on Jun 24, 2015 21:46:20 GMT
More England misery. Seems to me we need to ensure our players don't go anywhere near these useless twats. Time after time after time
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 24, 2015 21:51:55 GMT
We've seen first hand that Stones isn't a patch on Muniesa yet one was fast tracked into England duty when there are numerous better options available and the other is nowhere near international honours for a proper team. Take Joe Mason as an example. Played a few games for Spurs. Seemingly done reasonably well. Straight into the England squad. He isn't fit to lace N'zonzi's boots who is nowhere near the squad of a footballing nation with a proper team. Really? Based on what? Your unbiased opinion? I'm assuming in the 2nd paragraph, you're talking about Ryan Mason in Spurs? So, he keeps 2 seasoned internationals of 2 top football nations in Dembele and Paulinho on the bench in Spurs, but he "isn't fit to lace Nzonzi's boots"? Another unbiased comment? Where have I mentioned Paulinho. Mason has done well for Spurs. Has he done well enough to walk straight into the England team and to sign a ridiculously lucrative contract extension? Has he bollocks. N'zonzi wiped the floor with him in our games v Spurs. My opinion on Stones isn't based on bias. It is based on watching him struggle to handle Diouf at Goodison Park yet watching Muniesa handle Lukaku easily at the other end of the pitch. Factor in that Everton's defensive record has fallen apart with his regular introduction into the team and you have a player who is massively overrated way too early in his career. The U-21 team conceded 1 goal in two games against better opposition than Italy. He comes back into the side and we get dicked. Coincidence? If those comparisons bother you so much, take Ross Barkley v Bojan. Both played in the Everton v Stoke fixture and there was only one superstar on show that day. It certainly wasn't Ross Barkley. You could take other players as well if you want from other clubs. Frank Lampard v Luka Modric for example? Steven Gerrard v Yaya Toure. British players are hailed as world beaters before they've done anything when in truth, there are players from lesser nations who are far better, cost clubs far less money yet don't, for whatever reason, enjoy the plaudits that any British player gets purely for being mediocre.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 24, 2015 21:58:55 GMT
We've seen first hand that Stones isn't a patch on Muniesa yet one was fast tracked into England duty when there are numerous better options available and the other is nowhere near international honours for a proper team. Take Joe Mason as an example. Played a few games for Spurs. Seemingly done reasonably well. Straight into the England squad. He isn't fit to lace N'zonzi's boots who is nowhere near the squad of a footballing nation with a proper team. Really? Based on what? Your unbiased opinion? I'm assuming in the 2nd paragraph, you're talking about Ryan Mason in Spurs? So, he keeps 2 seasoned internationals of 2 top football nations in Dembele and Paulinho on the bench in Spurs, but he "isn't fit to lace Nzonzi's boots"? Another unbiased comment? Stones is wank at defending. He is supposed to be a defender. Forget all this ball at your feet. Get in midfield then, because you can't defend to save your life.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 24, 2015 22:02:34 GMT
I reckon salary caps and an international transfer embargo on British players under the age of 21 is the only thing that can improve home nations football right now - we need players who are (and feel like they are) at the peak of their careers in their mid to late twenties and early 30s. Way too many of these lot seem to have a mentality like they are maradonnas when in fact they're barely out of high school. I look at the players of the euro 96 and Italia 90 squads for England and cringe when I compare them to our teams now - passion, national pride and unrelenting effort is completely extinct Matthew Syed's book, 'Bounce' expains why Football Academies do not work in this country. It is all to do with us telling young footballers at the start of their careers that they are incredibly talented. Countries such as Germany have a different mental approach and tell the youngsters that they have great potential that will only be realised by working harder than anyone else on every aspect of their development. He knows what he is talking about as a double Olympian and top of his sport in the UK for 10 years. He was talking to Chris Evans on Radio 2 this morning. All of the UK's top table tennis players came from the same street a few houses apart. Reason - they had a good coach who encouraged them all to train every spare hour they had. Nothing to do with talent. We also tend to coach flair and ability out of kids from the minute they display any kind of individual brilliance.
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