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Post by werrington on Jun 30, 2015 18:57:20 GMT
No2 my arse ......he'll play as many games as Courtois as he'll play in the champions league, and both domestic cups Not sure about that, Wez. Courtois played 39 games compared to Cech's 16 last season. And if Courtois gets injured he's straight in Jamo 16 games is one hell of s lot for a number 2......a number 2 at Stoke etc would probably get 4-5 ?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 30, 2015 19:01:33 GMT
Not sure about that, Wez. Courtois played 39 games compared to Cech's 16 last season. And if Courtois gets injured he's straight in Jamo 16 games is one hell of s lot for a number 2......a number 2 at Stoke etc would probably get 4-5 ? No doubt but it's the old if my aunty had bollocks thing. Fact is unless something goes wrong he's confined to league and FA Cup games. If that's his ambition then fair enough but his talk was about playing in the Champion's League and he won't at Chelsea. I'm not bitter about him leaving but his reasons are mostly shite, we know the reasons. I'd have far more respect if he'd kept his head down this year, had a good season, been respectful of Jack's inclusion and then moved to a club where he'd play. I just think he's gone about things in a poor manner personally.
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Post by miggo on Jun 30, 2015 19:04:57 GMT
Really? The fact that this move probably sets him up for life hasn't crossed your mind. As much as people go on about him being greedy the blokes got less than 10 years left of his career and has a young family, yes he earns good money now but he's probably doubling his wage with a healthy signing in fee. That's right pal. If he'd of signed a new contract at Stoke he'd be living on the street or applying for a room at the Sally Army. Wouldn't he? So it is all about the money then. Yes it is. Doesn't matter if it's Begovic or the joe blogs average working man if someone comes along wanting to double your money your gonna take it. The fact that he'll win trophies is an added bonus. This image people have of loyalty in football has long been dead if Chelsea come sniffing for any of our players they would go, it really is that simple. I'm sure it's the same for you, your telling me if a rival company asked you to take up the exact same position you have now, doubled your wage and give you a massive signing up fee you wouldn't take it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 19:08:49 GMT
A very interesting career move. Certainly not one I'd take but as others have said, his choice
I think he's been badly advised. Courtois is by far the better keeper.
From our point of view, 9M and possibly a player on loan is great business for a keeper and one that has 12 months left. Top work on that front from the Calzone crew.
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Post by werrington on Jun 30, 2015 19:08:58 GMT
That's right pal. If he'd of signed a new contract at Stoke he'd be living on the street or applying for a room at the Sally Army. Wouldn't he? So it is all about the money then. Yes it is. Doesn't matter if it's Begovic or the joe blogs average working man if someone comes along wanting to double your money your gonna take it. The fact that he'll win trophies is an added bonus. This image people have of loyalty in football has long been dead if Chelsea come sniffing for any of our players they would go, it really is that simple. I'm sure it's the same for you, your telling me if a rival company asked you to take up the exact same position you have now, doubled your wage and give you a massive signing up fee you wouldn't take it? In s nutshell ( bravo ) Stoke City means nothing to players just like Chelsea don't It's their job ...no more no less
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 30, 2015 19:11:54 GMT
Yes it is. Doesn't matter if it's Begovic or the joe blogs average working man if someone comes along wanting to double your money your gonna take it. The fact that he'll win trophies is an added bonus. This image people have of loyalty in football has long been dead if Chelsea come sniffing for any of our players they would go, it really is that simple. I'm sure it's the same for you, your telling me if a rival company asked you to take up the exact same position you have now, doubled your wage and give you a massive signing up fee you wouldn't take it? In s nutshell ( bravo ) Stoke City means nothing to players just like Chelsea don't It's their job ...no more no less Totally agree with this. What annoys me is when players come out with media friendly bullshit about their playing ambitions. If he was bothered about playing he wouldn't go to Chelsea. We know what it's about, money pure and simple (and I don't blame him). That is what grips my shit (and his antics during the last campaign).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2015 19:13:27 GMT
He doesn't give a shit about Stoke, none of the players truly will, I wouldn't if I was a player and was playing for us and had no other affiliation. Why would I? You're my employer, you pay my wages, I work my bollocks off for you, I go home and don't give a shit.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 30, 2015 19:13:48 GMT
I can't see Courtois being happy about missing out on Champions League. He's traded cash for bit part status.
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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2015 19:16:04 GMT
I can't see Courtois being happy about missing out on Champions League. He's traded cash for bit part status. He won't mind missing a dead rubber in Bulgaria.
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Post by takeshikovacs on Jun 30, 2015 19:23:30 GMT
If we can get that kind of money for him then it's a good deal for us. He's been a good servant during his time with us, but he didn't improve last season and may have reached his 'ceiling' in terms of ability, but more importantly, he no longer wants to play for us, so best to have him away, and give Butland his big change. Spend the money wisely to get a replacement 2nd choice keeper, someone to push Butland, and use rest to part finance the 'rock the city' signing, whoever that may be. Can't understand players wanting to leave to sit on the bench, but there you go. He'll be sitting on the bench with a lot more money. Maybe that's it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 30, 2015 19:23:27 GMT
I can't see Courtois being happy about missing out on Champions League. He's traded cash for bit part status. He won't mind missing a dead rubber in Bulgaria. Evenings in Luton and Ludogrets, it is then! Cementing his name in goalkeeping legend right there!
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Post by foster on Jun 30, 2015 19:25:45 GMT
From his perspective he could have stayed amd been nbr 2 here next season so I don't blame him for leaving.
The fact that he's gone or going to Chelsea could be purely because they're the only club to meet our valuation and he had no other choice.
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Post by daviddunn on Jun 30, 2015 19:37:33 GMT
We ain't getting 9 mill for him coz he ain't asked for a transfer so he gets a cut of the fee we receive any where between 10% and 25 % greedy hope he rots in the reserves nice bloke my arse he doesn't give a flying f about us so as they say go break a leg
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Post by nonameface on Jun 30, 2015 19:39:52 GMT
Last season aside he has been a great keeper, probably just a good one for last, we signed him for low money and ever since he has said the same thing- he wants to get to the top, he wants his greatness recognised. Fair play to him, a big contract for a long period of time. He will get games in the cups to start with, but if one things for sure he is a stubborn intelligent man and it will be interesting to see how much Courtois improves with him there,if he doesn't then I genuinely see him playing enough league games to show how great he can be and if he does it doesn't necessarily mean that Coutios will stay as No1 for the following season.
Hes left at the right time, I think he was "bored" and not excited last year. If someone had control of where I was going to work, I'd be a moody swine too, especially if it was for double the wages!
Fair play and good luck.
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Post by lurcherman on Jun 30, 2015 19:40:27 GMT
He probably earns in 1 week what I earn in 3 years. If his career goes tits up I have no sympathy what so ever. If you can't retire or set yourself up for life after 10 years of prem (Stoke) wages, something's seriously wrong. I begrudgingly wish him well tho'
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 30, 2015 19:52:39 GMT
We ain't getting 9 mill for him coz he ain't asked for a transfer so he gets a cut of the fee we receive any where between 10% and 25 % greedy hope he rots in the reserves nice bloke my arse he doesn't give a flying f about us so as they say go break a leg A bit over the top but the thought of Asmir Begovic getting a pay off as a friggin LOYALTY BONUS, is rather sickening.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 30, 2015 20:02:05 GMT
We ain't getting 9 mill for him coz he ain't asked for a transfer so he gets a cut of the fee we receive any where between 10% and 25 % greedy hope he rots in the reserves nice bloke my arse he doesn't give a flying f about us so as they say go break a leg A bit over the top but the thought of Asmir Begovic getting a pay off as a friggin LOYALTY BONUS, is rather sickening. This. As someone has stated above, I will never feel sorry for a football player (exclusively in their working capacity of course). So he has to sit on a bench for a bit. Tough shit.
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Post by daviddunn on Jun 30, 2015 20:06:32 GMT
It ain't a loyalty bonus its what all players are entitled to if they don't ask or request a transfer that's also why Fonzi ain't asked 2 leave this year if we keep them and let them run their contracts down yes we get nothing but they can command huge signing on fees and wages from new clubs 1 year left on their contract their in control its called greed
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 30, 2015 20:10:13 GMT
It ain't a loyalty bonus its what all players are entitled to if they don't ask or request a transfer that's also why Fonzi ain't asked 2 leave this year if we keep them and let them run their contracts down yes we get nothing but they can command huge signing on fees and wages from new clubs 1 year left on their contract their in control its called greed Yeah, it's usually termed as a loyalty bonus - or in the case of Asmir, taking the fucking piss.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 30, 2015 20:14:07 GMT
Moving forward should we have a clause in the contract that says if we offer a player a new contract with an increased wage and they don't sign it they're not entitled to a loyalty bonus? It would need to have a timeframe, say 3 months after the initial offer, and then we can assume they have no loyalty. I don't think it's unreasonable.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 30, 2015 20:16:21 GMT
Moving forward we should have a clause in the contract that says if we offer a player with an increased wage and they don't sign it they're not entitled to a loyalty bonus? It would need to have a timeframe, say 3 months after the initial offer, and then we can assume they have no loyalty. I don't think it's unreasonable. I think the chances of getting even a thou of an inch back from the miles top footballers and their advisors have taken in recent years is a bit of a pipedream to be honest.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 30, 2015 20:18:53 GMT
Moving forward we should have a clause in the contract that says if we offer a player with an increased wage and they don't sign it they're not entitled to a loyalty bonus? It would need to have a timeframe, say 3 months after the initial offer, and then we can assume they have no loyalty. I don't think it's unreasonable. I think the chances of getting even a thou of an inch back from the miles top footballers and their advisors have taken in recent years is a bit of a pipedream to be honest. Granted, but some legal star could word it better than myself to make it look positive; putting it down as an incentive as opposed to a negative.
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Post by daviddunn on Jun 30, 2015 20:23:04 GMT
Do u still believe Santa Clause
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 30, 2015 20:36:41 GMT
Do u still believe Santa Clause No, I believe in the no loyalty Bonus clause* that I am proposing.
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Post by spartanstokie on Jul 1, 2015 9:34:13 GMT
HAHA again i know I too think we should go for remy... Or that's at least what I think u initially said... totally agree .............i think its what i was saying..........
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Post by Northy on Jul 1, 2015 11:13:20 GMT
Has he gone yet, lets move him on so we can move on
Sent from my SM-G850F using proboards
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Post by mozzer on Jul 1, 2015 12:23:03 GMT
Bego leaving will be no great shakes in the grand scheme of things at SCFC, good luck to the bloke, he was a cracking keeper who earned us a lot of points over his stay with us and I have enjoyed having the guy in our team, we have a good back up with Butland and maybe the new Haugaard fella who knows but if Bego does not want to be here then its time to move on, I would be more concerned if Ryan was leaving and here is why..........
Bego came in for less than we have allegedly sold him for when in fact Chelsea were also in for him at the same time all them seasons ago when we were allegedly courting David James signature so a positive in that respect that at the time he chose Stoke.
For me he had a very mediocre season last year and was no more than average, he pulled off a few world class saves but a law of averages would suggest all keepers pull off the odd one, look at Butland away to Burnley for example this year, that could be due to having play a system where we are a little more open at the back due to our new found desire to attack and move players out of our own half under MH directive rather than TPs brick wall approach, or possible the defenders were not as good as under TP and TPs defence strategy made him look better than he actually is....open to debate really but last season he was definitely below his best, could his head have been turned again by another club as before……..
I think Bego showed his true colours when he declined to be in the team for us in the League cup one night under TP stating his head was not right with the speculation that Chelsea were in for him at that time, I think away to Shrewsbury around 2010...to me that was sacrilege as no one should disrespect the club or its supporters in that manner, again recent unconfirmed rumours persist that he had refused to sit on the bench when Butland got his chance towards the end of the season away at Swansea...was it true, who knows, these transfers don’t happen overnight so the management team would have known his desire to leave was about to come true and with the alleged involvement of Chelsea spanning his career at Stoke it was pretty much assured where he may end up, if true Jose finally got his man and for a damn good price considering the £10m Petr Cech deal to Arsenal who he may well be replacing, if Chelsea decide to sell 2 yrs down the line they will get double what they paid for Bego just for the fact of his age and he will be one of their players with Champions league football experience.
On the whole good luck Bego I hope it pays off for you, Financially a brilliant deal that will secure the families future for many years to come, Footballing wise I feel the writing was on the wall with a move to Chelsea all through a Stoke career as said above but I think it could have been a better move to guarantee a balance of the finance and what Bego is now....a regular and crowd favourite.
I just hope a bigger club does not start showing interest or he may refuse to sit on the Chelsea bench in the near future.
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Post by mozzer on Jul 1, 2015 12:28:47 GMT
At the moment it is all speculation, i dont think that the deal is 100% and still paper talk but here are the two instances where Bego declined to be in the team, again these could also be as much horse shit as the Chelsea done deal. swansea awayShrewsbury
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 1, 2015 12:34:48 GMT
At the moment it is all speculation, i dont think that the deal is 100% and still paper talk but here are the two instances where Bego declined to be in the team, again these could also be as much horse shit as the Chelsea done deal. swansea awayShrewsburyRadio Stoke went hook, line and sinker for the whole "nothing to report here" noises from the club yet Bego apparently did leave the Liberty in a taxi and did train with the kids afterwards. Make of that what you will.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 1, 2015 12:59:27 GMT
I really don't know why people are questioning his logic in going for the money to be number two at Chelsea. The bloke ended last season as number two AT STOKE. I know many will claim that Hughes simply left him out to give Jack games but, if true, that would have been explained to Bego and he wouldn't have got his knickers in a twist over it. I'm convinced that he was 'dropped' because he wasn't playing very well. He's now offered the chance to be Chelsea's number two where he will get plenty of games (IMO) even as number two and will, reportedly, double his wage on a lengthy contract. Of course he COULD stay at Stoke on half as much money and 'gamble' on remaining number one here but I think he's seen the writing on the wall and he's taking a brilliant offer (for him) at Chelsea. I think he'd be an absolute mad man to turn it down personally.
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