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Post by starkiller on Sept 18, 2015 14:29:05 GMT
That'll be the same bunch of folks, along with Cameron's mates, who hacked the phones of murdered children.
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Post by liam007 on Sept 18, 2015 18:51:35 GMT
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Post by desman2 on Sept 18, 2015 19:17:21 GMT
That'll be the same bunch of folks, along with Cameron's mates, who hacked the phones of murdered children. Yes and now weve got a Leader who was sympathetic to those who murdered children
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Post by trentvegas on Sept 18, 2015 19:26:32 GMT
That'll be the same bunch of folks, along with Cameron's mates, who hacked the phones of murdered children. Yes and now weve got a Leader who was sympathetic to those who murdered children Allegedly, Shall we ramble through a few of the people that have been associated with Corbyn?! Maybe talk about how their decisions political or otherwise has destroyed peoples lives.... Nah only them Tories are evil
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Post by starkiller on Sept 18, 2015 19:46:32 GMT
That'll be the same bunch of folks, along with Cameron's mates, who hacked the phones of murdered children. Yes and now weve got a Leader who was sympathetic to those who murdered children You really believe the spin of Tory rags, don't you? He condemned all sides and all bombings done during the troubles. And it couldn't have been any clearer. “ I condemn all bombing, it is not a good idea, and it is terrible what happened.” Nevertheless, The Telegraph had a headline for that interview 'Jeremy Corbyn refuses to condemn...' But you can't see through this shit... And on a similar theme. British governments have been in the business of murdering thousands of kids in Middle Eastern invasions, and complicit in it in the selling of arms, being almost the world's biggest sellers and having the world's biggest arm's fair. The Government continues to also cover up the rape and murder of children by the British Establishment. It's the faux morality that they're better than other countries leaders and the fake tears when it suits of the British overlords I cannot abide. As well as those that belive they have the moral high ground. Propaganda is more effective than ever...
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2015 7:19:30 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2015 7:58:48 GMT
That'll be the same bunch of folks, along with Cameron's mates, who hacked the phones of murdered children. We all know how upset Tom and Jerry were about phone hacking although since the shit hit the Mirror they've been a bit quieter. But by the by as despicable as hacking milly dowlers phone was they weren't involved in her murder or the cover up, there are some much more serious questions around the murder of Daniel Morgan and whether it is this or not the NOTW was not closed down because of the MD hacking it was because of the expectation of much worse to come. inforrm.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/revealed-how-the-metropolitan-police-covered-up-for-rupert-murdochs-news-international-joe-public/
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2015 8:11:26 GMT
As it comes from the same pollsters who didn't predict the Tory majority not sure how accurate it is but it's probably a fair summary of the direction his support is heading unless he drops all the fairytale stuff about renationalisation, Trident etc and concentrates on what people actually care about. The housebuilding program would be a vote winner if people believe he could actually deliver it.
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 19, 2015 10:32:54 GMT
The article highlights what I was saying the other day; that many many Labour Party moderates were thinking of cancelling their memberships. I don't know how many of my CLP have done so as I haven't asked them all since I last spoke to them. But be under no illusions that the old core moderate membership, specifically set aside from the newbies that joined during the leadership race, were far from unanimous about backing Corbyn if he won. I'm not the only one who hates Corbyn's foreign policy position. I'm not the only one who didn't want McDonnell as Shadow Chancellor. Let's face it, Corbyn was forced into backing EU membership as, if he didn't, he knew he'd face an immediate challenge from the entire Shadow Caninet over it bar one. I rather suspect the article is accurate. It's local elections next year. Get ready.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2015 6:40:44 GMT
What the papers and media fail to mention is that Osbourne has DOUBLED the debt of this country, whilst the richest have doubled their wealth. Reading these rags would make you think it was one big success story
The poor have seen living standards drop to Victorian levels of poverty during fake austerity under which the peoples' money has been further transfered into the hands of the elite.
It is now the norm for the middle classes to be shopping at discount stores and yet still they don't realise how they are being fucked over.
The rags of fear, hate and ridicule are protecting the interests of banks, corporations, hedge funders, the war machine and the whole establishment because Jeremy Corbyn is a threat to them. It's the people versus them.
They are desperately trying to nip it in the before it becomes a people's movement. The people are what they fear the most. They also know their influence is slipping...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 30, 2015 9:05:16 GMT
Maybe those who don't believe Corbyn can make it should watch his speech from yesterday. Utterly outstanding.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 30, 2015 10:30:50 GMT
Maybe those who don't believe Corbyn can make it should watch his speech from yesterday. Utterly outstanding. Really? Bland waffle is what I heard and read. The most powerful message was internal - directed at the PLP; you may have your way for now, but party policy will not be determined by you, but by the membership (which of course, he believes, means his policies will ultimately be adopted). Enjoy wallowing in opposition and sustained rule by the conservatives. Because that is what you are going to get.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 30, 2015 10:34:26 GMT
Maybe those who don't believe Corbyn can make it should watch his speech from yesterday. Utterly outstanding. Really? Bland waffle is what I heard and read. The most powerful message was internal - directed at the PLP; you may have your way for now, but party policy will not be determined by you, but by the membership (which of course, he believes, means his policies will ultimately be adopted). Enjoy wallowing in opposition and sustained rule by the conservatives. Because that is what you are going to get. Have to completely disagree with you there. Let's see shall we? Rather disappointing you should write him off so soon.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 30, 2015 10:46:16 GMT
Really? Bland waffle is what I heard and read. The most powerful message was internal - directed at the PLP; you may have your way for now, but party policy will not be determined by you, but by the membership (which of course, he believes, means his policies will ultimately be adopted). Enjoy wallowing in opposition and sustained rule by the conservatives. Because that is what you are going to get. Have to completely disagree with you there. Let's see shall we? Rather disappointing you should write him off so soon. I wrote him off in the 1980's along with the rest of the ideological left. I've seen nothing since those shambolic times that the thinking on the far left has advanced. Still no idea on the economy (which, as you know, is my main beef) or immigration (something other people are more concerned about). Interesting, BTW, how often the 80s come up with Corbyn - I know you don't like those historical references, but the man himself seems less concerned considering parts of his speech yesterday were written back then! The Telegraph is, of course, having great fun with that. Corbyn really needs to stop giving his opponents such an easy target to hit. Remember, convincing a conference audience or members of your party isn't what a party needs to do to win an election. I'm utterly convinced that is all Corbyn is bothered about though. He's a leader that seems unconcerned about winning a general election.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 30, 2015 10:54:36 GMT
Have to completely disagree with you there. Let's see shall we? Rather disappointing you should write him off so soon. I wrote him off in the 1980's along with the rest of the ideological left. I've seen nothing since those shambolic times that the thinking on the far left has advanced. Still no idea on the economy (which, as you know, is my main beef) or immigration (something other people are more concerned about). Interesting, BTW, how often the 80s come up with Corbyn - I know you don't like those historical references, but the man himself seems less concerned considering parts of his speech yesterday were written back then! The Telegraph is, of course, having great fun with that. Corbyn really needs to stop giving his opponents such an easy target to hit. Remember, convincing a conference audience or members of your party isn't what a party needs to do to win an election. I'm utterly convinced that is all Corbyn is bothered about though. He's a leader that seems unconcerned about winning a general election. Hardly surprising the Torygraph is having fun is it? I understand John McDonell has recruited some of the best economic brains around to look at new ways of doing things, so I think you're way off the mark with your suggestion that they are rooted in the past. If you listen to conference you'll hear speaker after speaker indicating an inclusive not state owned way of public ownership. So while it's early days, I for one am very hopeful.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 30, 2015 13:17:01 GMT
I wrote him off in the 1980's along with the rest of the ideological left. I've seen nothing since those shambolic times that the thinking on the far left has advanced. Still no idea on the economy (which, as you know, is my main beef) or immigration (something other people are more concerned about). Interesting, BTW, how often the 80s come up with Corbyn - I know you don't like those historical references, but the man himself seems less concerned considering parts of his speech yesterday were written back then! The Telegraph is, of course, having great fun with that. Corbyn really needs to stop giving his opponents such an easy target to hit. Remember, convincing a conference audience or members of your party isn't what a party needs to do to win an election. I'm utterly convinced that is all Corbyn is bothered about though. He's a leader that seems unconcerned about winning a general election. Hardly surprising the Torygraph is having fun is it? I understand John McDonell has recruited some of the best economic brains around to look at new ways of doing things, so I think you're way off the mark with your suggestion that they are rooted in the past. If you listen to conference you'll hear speaker after speaker indicating an inclusive not state owned way of public ownership. So while it's early days, I for one am very hopeful. I wouldn't get too hopeful, don't see many votes or new members in his unilateral CND stance, his stand on never authorising the use of nuclear weapons will have cost him many many votes, the bloke has basically just said his principles are more important than defending the country, I'd say that does it for his chance of being PM.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 30, 2015 13:22:44 GMT
What the papers and media fail to mention is that Osbourne has DOUBLED the debt of this country, whilst the richest have doubled their wealth. Reading these rags would make you think it was one big success story The poor have seen living standards drop to Victorian levels of poverty during fake austerity under which the peoples' money has been further transfered into the hands of the elite. It is now the norm for the middle classes to be shopping at discount stores and yet still they don't realise how they are being fucked over. The rags of fear, hate and ridicule are protecting the interests of banks, corporations, hedge funders, the war machine and the whole establishment because Jeremy Corbyn is a threat to them. It's the people versus them. They are desperately trying to nip it in the before it becomes a people's movement. The people are what they fear the most. They also know their influence is slipping... Are you an advisor for the Labour party ? So they inherit a record deficit make some fairly small cuts in the grand scheme of things that has all the left wingers screaming victorian levels of poverty and such BS and you think its a sign of incompetence that the debt has gone up. all they've done is put the brakes and try and reduce the £100 billion + inherited yearly deficit by a few billion.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 30, 2015 13:51:56 GMT
Really? Bland waffle is what I heard and read. The most powerful message was internal - directed at the PLP; you may have your way for now, but party policy will not be determined by you, but by the membership (which of course, he believes, means his policies will ultimately be adopted). Enjoy wallowing in opposition and sustained rule by the conservatives. Because that is what you are going to get. Have to completely disagree with you there. Let's see shall we? Rather disappointing you should write him off so soon. It's rather disappointing how you wrote off the coalition so soon Did not stop you looking foolish though I await 20/20 The law of averages owes you one
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2015 13:33:09 GMT
Why does socialism have to be so authoritarian? It's all about being told what we should be doing and lectured at. Thank god I'm a conservative liberal
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Post by starkiller on Oct 1, 2015 13:45:45 GMT
Why does socialism have to be so authoritarian? It's all about being told what we should be doing and lectured at. Thank god I'm a conservative liberal Government is authoritarian. Govern comes from the word to control. I prefer to, and would like the option, not to be governed. Especially as government is now more interfering than ever (not a reference to their paedophilic activities).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 15:16:51 GMT
Why does socialism have to be so authoritarian? It's all about being told what we should be doing and lectured at. Thank god I'm a conservative liberal Government is authoritarian. Govern comes from the word to control. I prefer to, and would like the option, not to be governed. Especially as government is now more interfering than ever (not a reference to their paedophilic activities). Are you in favour of a free for all then? I'm all for it in theory, but practically no governance would surely be anarchy
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 1, 2015 16:44:35 GMT
Why does socialism have to be so authoritarian? It's all about being told what we should be doing and lectured at. Thank god I'm a conservative liberal Government is authoritarian. Govern comes from the word to control. I prefer to, and would like the option, not to be governed. Especially as government is now more interfering than ever (not a reference to their paedophilic activities). Anarchy for the UK. Actually, you're not far off one of Margaret Thatcher's principal political philosophies; she, like you, hated big government.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 1, 2015 16:51:50 GMT
Government is authoritarian. Govern comes from the word to control. I prefer to, and would like the option, not to be governed. Especially as government is now more interfering than ever (not a reference to their paedophilic activities). Are you in favour of a free for all then? I'm all for it in theory, but practically no governance would surely be anarchy He's been watching MAD MAX again
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 8, 2016 22:19:01 GMT
Why does the Labour party seem so quiet and irrelevant on the biggest issue facing the country in a generation.... EU membership? I hate Tory policy and their lack of interest in the Working class, but at least on this issue some Tory MPS seem passionate and conviction politicians, hence the split. What I don't understand is that those that have traditionally represented the heart of the party, Tony Benn, Michael Foot, and to some extent Denis Skinner have been anti -EU on the grounds of democracy, yet the current Labour party seems to have rejected them. Kier Hardie was concerned about local mining jobs being under threat from immigrant Lithuanians. The Morning Star is anti EU. Why does the Labour party seem reluctant to stick its neck out? The new broom of Corbyn seems to have reverted to the position of the old school of Blair, Kinnocks, Mandelson and Yvette Cooper etc , whom they profess to despise .
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Post by mumf on Mar 9, 2016 1:20:57 GMT
Why does the Labour party seem so quiet and irrelevant on the biggest issue facing the country in a generation.... EU membership? I hate Tory policy and their lack of interest in the Working class, but at least on this issue some Tory MPS seem passionate and conviction politician, hence the split. What I don't understand is that those that have traditionally represented the heart of the party, Tony Benn, Michael Foot, and to some extent Denis Skinner have been anti -EU on the grounds of democracy, yet the current Labour party seems to have rejected them. Kier Hardie was concerned about local mining jobs being under threat from immigrant Lithuanians. The Morning Star is anti EU. Why does the Labour party seem reluctant to stick its neck out? The new broom of Corbyn seems to have reverted to the position of the old school of Blair, Kinnocks, Mandelson and Yvette Cooper etc , whom they profess to despise . Why has the far left on here gone silent ? Why is the labour leader showing the worst poll ratings in history this soon after an election ? why have so many labour MP's showed so little enthusiasm for the current leader ? What chance has labour got of ever winning another general election ? Could you see Corbyn ever shaking hands with the US president as Prime Minister ? Why doesn't he put the general health of the party first and simply just resign ? You won't see many donkeys running in the Grand National .
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Post by desman2 on Mar 9, 2016 1:27:50 GMT
The far left in other european countries are eurosceptic. Not here. Labours bad poll ratings are a mix of new labour personel and genuine labour personel having ongoing culture clashes Well he does seem to make illogical statements None while a blend of all above exists No Because he probably dosnt know how. He was elected by the £3 voters.
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Post by mumf on Mar 9, 2016 1:51:57 GMT
To be perfectly honest , it's not just Corbyns performance and appeal that's under scrutiny here , it's also the shadow cabinet . The quality of articulate debating is severely lacking and they seem blinkered and shackled by far left ideology to the point that it has become excruciatingly painful and outdated to watch . The only exception to this is perhaps Hilary Benn . Since Corbyns successful election all the British public has witnessed has been public humiliation of him by David Cameron week in and week out . He has effectively become an archaic dinosaur and the subject of parliamentary ridicule by the Consevatives ....
A humiliating laughing stock of epic proportions . The party has to sort itself out and the unions especially need to realise that winning is everything . You get nothing for coming second no matter how uncomfortable that sits with your own brand of politics .
I expect that we will see a campaign against him very soon .....before June .
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 9, 2016 7:05:14 GMT
Labour are happy to sit back & watch the Torys tear themselves apart over Europe.
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Post by mumf on Mar 9, 2016 8:05:54 GMT
Labour are happy to sit back & watch the Torys tear themselves apart over Europe. Whilst doing absolutely nothing to address the debacle of their leadership and senior cabinet . An opportunity to win more support absolutely wasted . A complete shambles ....
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 9, 2016 8:08:41 GMT
The far left in other european countries are eurosceptic. Not here. Labours bad poll ratings are a mix of new labour personel and genuine labour personel having ongoing culture clashes Well he does seem to make illogical statements None while a blend of all above exists No Because he probably dosnt know how. He was elected by the £3 voters. Not sure what point yo're trying to make regarding the £3 voters.
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