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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2015 18:51:24 GMT
How do I know .?.....because I was born in Stoke into poverty and now live in Cheshire . I know because Ed Milliband was appointed as leader and I predicted his calamitous demise . I know because I never doubted the power of the unions within the party and the political posturing involved . I know because similar irrational behaviour occurs in nature and features small furry animals called Lemmings . Their leap of faith in panic (following the one ahead ) is identical to the happy clapping that can be observed on here by the Corbynisters . If appointing Ed Miliband wasn't bad enough. , then even the stupidest , thickest bastuurd on planet earth would know that by appointing Corbyn you are effectively appointing someone who is infinitely worse in the general publics political perception . What amazes me is how fucking stupid and thick the average member of the Labour Party supporter must be to even Consider voting Corbyn as leader .We may not all agree on his principles which is fair enough , but would you want to marry a cross eyed bird whose 66 , with sticky out ears and ginger hair .....? Would you want your grandkids future put into doubt by a man intent on removing our nuclear deterrent and is friends with Diane Abbott .....? Have you ever watched this lunatic bitch like I have over many years on the Andrew Neil political show on a Thursday night ? I wouldn't trust this bitch to look after my goldfish . I 've listened to her left wing racist hatred and also witnessed her double standards in relation to the education of her children .... I'm too old and too wise to be swayed by what the press has said about her . I judge people by what they actually do . Similarly I predicted that Corbyn would have her in his Cabinet ....and guess what ....he did . It doesn't get any more apocalyptic than this . Bruce Willis or even Sylvestre Stalone couldn't currently save the Labour Party . Perhaps I'm using the wrong political role models ....perhaps I should be mentioning Ken Livingstone or gorgeous George Galloway in a cat costume but the end result and message is still the same . I am simply shocked and staggered by the myopic nature of your current average Labour Party supporter . I thought that the lessons of defeat and failure had already been learned under Millibands tenure . Little did I think we would as a party lurch further down the road to the giant cravass. At the end of the day it's all about choice . It's about winning or losing . It's about personal Preference ....political idealism or political responsibility and rationale . The hardest lesson for some people to learn , is that sometimes you have to vote for the middle ground candidate in order to secure a victory and then put meat on the bone later ......Voting left to get Corbyn gets you a wooden placard and a pair of monkey boots circa 1975 . I shall now concentrate on who's next . It's the only positive thought I can currently focus on . Not that you have to resort to name calling to engage in a debate eh Mumf. Your double standards really do know no bounds. As for the content of you post, not quite as gibberish as most but still utter rubbish, every sentence from the start, full of irrelevant nonsense. You know nothing youth, other than your narrow minded entrenched opinions that anything considered "left" or "socialist" is bad and the unions are the evil masterminds of Corbyn's rise. And these opinions you forward, you will never budge from, these are the "facts" as you so frequently tell us. Anybody who disagrees is so obviously "the stupidest , thickest bastuurd on planet earth". Yep, no debating with you. I'll sit here waiting for my "wooden placard" and pair of "monkey boots circa 1975" to be delivered by the privatised Royal Mail...... I suppose you'll be expecting your S.S uniform circa 1934 and Jack boots to be arriving shortly. Outstanding.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2015 18:53:55 GMT
The Sun claims that Jeremy Corbyn was disrespectful in not singing a song about a figure in the sky he doesn't believe exists saving a very rich woman.
How odd.
I would have thought dancing on the graves of the Hillsborough dead, mocking mental illness, being homophobic, hacking the phone of a murdered 12 year old schoolgirl or the derailing of the murder inquiry to find her, or misleading her parents that she was still alive, or misleading the Police, or aiding and abetting Levi Bellfield to go free to kill twice more and almost a third time was more disrespectful.
Doesn't it show how wrong you can be?
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 18:53:28 GMT
Not necessarily your view but you posted it none the less, again, as you have tended to do with everything involving Corbyn despite your claims you're glad he won. For a man who say's he's a part of the Labour movement from within, you are doing a good impression of being an active agent to spread uncertainty and discontent at every opportunity. You really want it to fuck up for him really don't you, from the off you've done nothing but spout negativity. But of course you will no doubt diffuse that accusation by claiming you are only researching and posting such comments so regularly as a means to keep us all informed of the current ....err...ahem..... word on the street. do you honestly believe he can convince the middle classes in the marginals and also win back the scots and win a general election in 2020
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 19:01:57 GMT
Not necessarily your view but you posted it none the less, again, as you have tended to do with everything involving Corbyn despite your claims you're glad he won. For a man who say's he's a part of the Labour movement from within, you are doing a good impression of being an active agent to spread uncertainty and discontent at every opportunity. You really want it to fuck up for him really don't you, from the off you've done nothing but spout negativity. But of course you will no doubt diffuse that accusation by claiming you are only researching and posting such comments so regularly as a means to keep us all informed of the current ....err...ahem..... word on the street. do you honestly believe he can convince the middle classes in the marginals and also win back the scots and win a general election in 2020 Fucking hell Sal, are you completley incapable of.......never mind, i know i've just bitten. As i've previously tried to explain..........it's not just about pandering to the middle classes anymore, there are millions of non voters who have been waiting for a political movement to actually represent them, they are the ones to appease and if he manages this, the old order is history. You know that, that's why you're so rattled. This energy cannot be ignored hence the massive effort being exerted to try and nip it in the bud.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 19:06:50 GMT
do you honestly believe he can convince the middle classes in the marginals and also win back the scots and win a general election in 2020 Fucking hell Sal, are you completley incapable of.......never mind, i know i've just bitten. As i've previously tried to explain..........it's not just about pandering to the middle classes anymore, there are millions of non voters who have been waiting for a political movement to actually represent them, they are the ones to appease and if he manages this, the old order is history. You know that, that's why you're so rattled. This energy cannot be ignored hence the massive effort being exerted to try and nip it in the bud. The energy is wasted if he can't win seats from the tories No point appeasing labour supporters in the likes of Stoke as those seats are in the bag. Similarly in the safe Tory seats they won't change. Winning elections is about those key 50/50 seats that can go each way. So do you really think he can win those seats, win back Scotland and win a general election
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 19:14:00 GMT
Fucking hell Sal, are you completley incapable of.......never mind, i know i've just bitten. As i've previously tried to explain..........it's not just about pandering to the middle classes anymore, there are millions of non voters who have been waiting for a political movement to actually represent them, they are the ones to appease and if he manages this, the old order is history. You know that, that's why you're so rattled. This energy cannot be ignored hence the massive effort being exerted to try and nip it in the bud. The energy is wasted if he can't win seats from the tories No point appeasing labour supporters in the likes of Stoke as those seats are in the bag. Similarly in the safe Tory seats they won't change. Winning elections is about those key 50/50 seats that can go each way. So do you really think he can win those seats, win back Scotland and win a general election Completely missing the point again, you must be doing it on purpose. I'm wasting my own energy on you i guess. Hint, again: Millions of non voters deciding to vote..
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 19:16:59 GMT
The energy is wasted if he can't win seats from the tories No point appeasing labour supporters in the likes of Stoke as those seats are in the bag. Similarly in the safe Tory seats they won't change. Winning elections is about those key 50/50 seats that can go each way. So do you really think he can win those seats, win back Scotland and win a general election Completely missing the point again, you must be doing it on purpose. I'm wasting my own energy on you i guess. Hint, again: Millions of non voters deciding to vote.. so no answer then. There is not millions of non voters in the marginals.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 19:18:52 GMT
Completely missing the point again, you must be doing it on purpose. I'm wasting my own energy on you i guess. Hint, again: Millions of non voters deciding to vote.. so no answer then. There is not millions of non voters in the marginals. Yes there are, every single one.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 19:20:56 GMT
so no answer then. There is not millions of non voters in the marginals. Yes there are, every single one. So do you reall think he can engage all these millions of non voters in the marginals and win back Scotland and win a general election then
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 19:27:07 GMT
Yes there are, every single one. So do you reall think he can engage all these millions of non voters in the marginals and win back Scotland and win a general election then Yes. This movement can't be influenced enough by the media for it to fail, it's a natural energy that will be grown through grass roots in the same way the socialist message of the SNP was spread in Scotland. It's more needed than ever now, the divide has grown to a point it cannot be ignored. Wont sit pretty with you i know.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 19:33:52 GMT
So do you reall think he can engage all these millions of non voters in the marginals and win back Scotland and win a general election then Yes. This movement can't be influenced enough by the media for it to fail, it's a natural energy that will be grown through grass roots in the same way the socialist message of the SNP was spread in Scotland. It's more needed than ever now, the divide has grown to a point it cannot be ignored. Wont sit pretty with you i know. You don't know what sits pretty with me. Like I said I want a decent opposition to challenge government regardless of which party governs. Most of his policies are the complete opposite to what we have. Too far left to convince millions to change regardless of their merits. He needs to embrace the media and make it work for him. Sing the anthem from the start rather than a u-turn would have stopped the media jumping on him. He will need the media so needs to make it work for him. And that may not sit pretty with you but a lot of truth in it
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 16, 2015 19:36:05 GMT
Fucking hell Sal, are you completley incapable of.......never mind, i know i've just bitten. As i've previously tried to explain..........it's not just about pandering to the middle classes anymore, there are millions of non voters who have been waiting for a political movement to actually represent them, they are the ones to appease and if he manages this, the old order is history. You know that, that's why you're so rattled. This energy cannot be ignored hence the massive effort being exerted to try and nip it in the bud. The energy is wasted if he can't win seats from the tories No point appeasing labour supporters in the likes of Stoke as those seats are in the bag. Similarly in the safe Tory seats they won't change. Winning elections is about those key 50/50 seats that can go each way. So do you really think he can win those seats, win back Scotland and win a general election Salop, I agree with this .....seats like Stoke and Westminster are foregone conclusions. ..but Billy makes a good point ...at least if Corbyn can GENUINELY politicise the disillusioned it cannot be a bad thing. In my opinion (alongside the EU issue, which completely disenfranchises the working class) electoral reform is needed. It will be a hard task to get and keep the dis affected involved, but perhaps social media, particularly for the young brings hope. As you say Salop the challenge is in those seats which make a difference at elections ......Electoral reform
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 19:37:37 GMT
The energy is wasted if he can't win seats from the tories No point appeasing labour supporters in the likes of Stoke as those seats are in the bag. Similarly in the safe Tory seats they won't change. Winning elections is about those key 50/50 seats that can go each way. So do you really think he can win those seats, win back Scotland and win a general election Salop, I agree with this .....seats like Stoke and Westminster are foregone conclusions. ..but Billy makes a good point ...at least if Corbyn can GENUINELY politicise the disillusioned it cannot be a bad thing. In my opinion (alongside the EU issue, which completely disenfranchises the working class) electoral reform is needed. It will be a hard task to get and keep the dis affected involved, but perhaps social media, particularly for the young brings hope. As you say Salop the challenge is in those seats which make a difference at elections ......Electoral reform The electorate rejected reform Both labour and the tories would not like to abandon first past the post
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 16, 2015 19:42:06 GMT
Salop, I agree with this .....seats like Stoke and Westminster are foregone conclusions. ..but Billy makes a good point ...at least if Corbyn can GENUINELY politicise the disillusioned it cannot be a bad thing. In my opinion (alongside the EU issue, which completely disenfranchises the working class) electoral reform is needed. It will be a hard task to get and keep the dis affected involved, but perhaps social media, particularly for the young brings hope. As you say Salop the challenge is in those seats which make a difference at elections ......Electoral reform The electorate rejected reform Both labour and the tories would not like to abandon first past the post I agree, and that's how the political establishment, the privileged and the old Etonians, and millionaire career politicians keep their power...on both sides of the big two parties. Of course they won't vote for it, but it is needed. That's why a referendum scares them to death because 'the people' can have their say directly
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 19:43:06 GMT
Yes. This movement can't be influenced enough by the media for it to fail, it's a natural energy that will be grown through grass roots in the same way the socialist message of the SNP was spread in Scotland. It's more needed than ever now, the divide has grown to a point it cannot be ignored. Wont sit pretty with you i know. You don't know what sits pretty with me. Like I said I want a decent opposition to challenge government regardless of which party governs. Most of his policies are the complete opposite to what we have. Too far left to convince millions to change regardless of their merits. He needs to embrace the media and make it work for him. Sing the anthem from the start rather than a u-turn would have stopped the media jumping on him. He will need the media so needs to make it work for him. And that may not sit pretty with you but a lot of truth in it I do that know an opposition that operates withing the narrow perimeters that you can comfortably counter sits more than pretty with you, a token opposition with nothing to say, keeping the masses from feeling they have any power whatsoever....yep right down your street is that. After that, you again feel the need to offer advice in order to suit the above criteria. Get a grip Sal, times have changed and you're rattled.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 19:45:44 GMT
You don't know what sits pretty with me. Like I said I want a decent opposition to challenge government regardless of which party governs. Most of his policies are the complete opposite to what we have. Too far left to convince millions to change regardless of their merits. He needs to embrace the media and make it work for him. Sing the anthem from the start rather than a u-turn would have stopped the media jumping on him. He will need the media so needs to make it work for him. And that may not sit pretty with you but a lot of truth in it I do that know an opposition that operates withing the narrow perimeters that you can comfortably counter sits more than pretty with you, a token opposition with nothing to say, keeping the masses from feeling they have any power whatsoever....yep right down your street is that. After that, you again feel the need to offer advice in order to suit the above criteria. Get a grip Sal, times have changed and you're rattled. im not rattled. I just understand what you need to do to win elections.
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 16, 2015 19:49:49 GMT
Not necessarily your view but you posted it none the less, again, as you have tended to do with everything involving Corbyn despite your claims you're glad he won. For a man who say's he's a part of the Labour movement from within, you are doing a good impression of being an active agent to spread uncertainty and discontent at every opportunity. You really want it to fuck up for him really don't you, from the off you've done nothing but spout negativity. But of course you will no doubt diffuse that accusation by claiming you are only researching and posting such comments so regularly as a means to keep us all informed of the current ....err...ahem..... word on the street. To be fair my view shouldn't be important you. At all. I provide information, much in the same vein as Big John Ritchie in all fairness, when I stumble across it. I don't tend to feel the need to defend my own position on literally everything because, by and large, I arrive at it over time and I'm comfortable with my own perspective. I don't think Corbyn's a bad bloke. He's got some good ideas on housing. In all honesty I think I've made it abundantly clear what my own concerns are with his political outlook but I don't have a problem considering opposing views on things. Of course I don't always agree with everything that's ever written but you tackle the issue not the person. I try my best not to. It's perhaps worth considering that one should be comfortable in one's own skin. No offence was meant.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 19:53:17 GMT
I do that know an opposition that operates withing the narrow perimeters that you can comfortably counter sits more than pretty with you, a token opposition with nothing to say, keeping the masses from feeling they have any power whatsoever....yep right down your street is that. After that, you again feel the need to offer advice in order to suit the above criteria. Get a grip Sal, times have changed and you're rattled. im not rattled. I just understand what you need to do to win elections. If the elections of the future are run within the same narrow parameters that they have been in the past......all pandering to the same middle ground. Like i say Sal, times, they are evolving.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 20:02:25 GMT
im not rattled. I just understand what you need to do to win elections. If the elections of the future are run within the same narrow parameters that they have been in the past......all pandering to the same middle ground. Like i say Sal, times, they are evolving. Es miliband thought that too
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 20:06:07 GMT
Not necessarily your view but you posted it none the less, again, as you have tended to do with everything involving Corbyn despite your claims you're glad he won. For a man who say's he's a part of the Labour movement from within, you are doing a good impression of being an active agent to spread uncertainty and discontent at every opportunity. You really want it to fuck up for him really don't you, from the off you've done nothing but spout negativity. But of course you will no doubt diffuse that accusation by claiming you are only researching and posting such comments so regularly as a means to keep us all informed of the current ....err...ahem..... word on the street. To be fair my view shouldn't be important you. At all. I provide information, much in the same vein as Big John Ritchie in all fairness, when I stumble across it. I don't tend to feel the need to defend my own position on literally everything because, by and large, I arrive at it over time and I'm comfortable with my own perspective. I don't think Corbyn's a bad bloke. He's got some good ideas on housing. In all honesty I think I've made it abundantly clear what my own concerns are with his political outlook but I don't have a problem considering opposing views on things. Of course I don't always agree with everything that's ever written but you tackle the issue not the person. I try my best not to. It's perhaps worth considering that one should be comfortable in one's own skin. No offence was meant. No offence was intended from this end mate i can assure you. I just find it a bit odd that somebody from within the Labour party can so happily repeat the right wing media's agenda of exploring every possible avenue that can be used to create division among those who should be warming towards the current message. I know you have your fears and worries but to air them so early in proceedings is playing into their hands. But of course, you now this don't you.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 20:08:22 GMT
If the elections of the future are run within the same narrow parameters that they have been in the past......all pandering to the same middle ground. Like i say Sal, times, they are evolving. Es miliband thought that too No he didn't. He just made the noises to keep within those parameters. None of the grass roots believed it either hence the frankly pathetic election campaign............run just how you would like to see it run it every time.
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 16, 2015 20:16:01 GMT
To be fair my view shouldn't be important you. At all. I provide information, much in the same vein as Big John Ritchie in all fairness, when I stumble across it. I don't tend to feel the need to defend my own position on literally everything because, by and large, I arrive at it over time and I'm comfortable with my own perspective. I don't think Corbyn's a bad bloke. He's got some good ideas on housing. In all honesty I think I've made it abundantly clear what my own concerns are with his political outlook but I don't have a problem considering opposing views on things. Of course I don't always agree with everything that's ever written but you tackle the issue not the person. I try my best not to. It's perhaps worth considering that one should be comfortable in one's own skin. No offence was meant. No offence was intended from this end mate i can assure you. I just find it a bit odd that somebody from within the Labour party can so happily repeat the right wing media's agenda of exploring every possible avenue that can be used to create division among those who should be warming towards the current message. I know you have your fears and worries but to air them so early in proceedings is playing into their hands. But of course, you now this don't you. I posted an article from Will Self's website. He's a renowned lefty Billy.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 20:18:44 GMT
No offence was intended from this end mate i can assure you. I just find it a bit odd that somebody from within the Labour party can so happily repeat the right wing media's agenda of exploring every possible avenue that can be used to create division among those who should be warming towards the current message. I know you have your fears and worries but to air them so early in proceedings is playing into their hands. But of course, you now this don't you. I posted an article from Will Self's website. He's a renowned lefty Billy. Hahahaha, oh yeah........ I'll take all that back then.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 20:22:14 GMT
Es miliband thought that too No he didn't. He just made the noises to keep within those parameters. None of the grass roots believed it either hence the frankly pathetic election campaign............run just how you would like to see it run it every time. No it's not how I want to see it run every time His campaign couldn't be pathetic when everyone was predicting he would win a close call
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 16, 2015 20:26:56 GMT
No offence was intended from this end mate i can assure you. I just find it a bit odd that somebody from within the Labour party can so happily repeat the right wing media's agenda of exploring every possible avenue that can be used to create division among those who should be warming towards the current message. I know you have your fears and worries but to air them so early in proceedings is playing into their hands. But of course, you now this don't you. I posted an article from Will Self's website. He's a renowned lefty Billy. That video of Will Self and Matthew Ferris was excellent. Some very interesting thoughts from a "fan" and a sceptic, particularly that they shared many opinions! Keep posting them up!
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 20:31:02 GMT
No he didn't. He just made the noises to keep within those parameters. None of the grass roots believed it either hence the frankly pathetic election campaign............run just how you would like to see it run it every time. No it's not how I want to see it run every time His campaign couldn't be pathetic when everyone was predicting he would win a close call I think it's widely accepted now that it was a shambles. Most of us knew it at the time, i can't comment on those making the predictions....... ..... well, ok then........other than of course, that they're a bunch of plastic fucks living in a bubble floating miles away from those the Labour party should have been appealing to.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2015 20:35:57 GMT
No it's not how I want to see it run every time His campaign couldn't be pathetic when everyone was predicting he would win a close call I think it's widely accepted now that it was a shambles. Most of us knew it at the time, i can't comment on those making the predictions....... ..... well, ok then........other than of course, that they're a bunch of plastic fucks living in a bubble floating miles away from those the Labour party should have been appealing to. you don't have to be hard left to appeal to those the Labour Party need to be appealing to. The types of people labour need to appeal to are the workers, the back bone of this country. You don't appeal to them by scrapping nukes, non singing of anthems, and all the other things the media are hounding him over. Because in the grand scheme of things people care about their jobs and the economy and services. I agree with some of his policies but I won't take his good with his utmost shit Stick to the policies that the workers need. Like I repeated its the far left things which will over shadow and get more negative media attention than his decent polices. Harsh, sad but untimely true
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 20:37:22 GMT
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 16, 2015 20:45:01 GMT
I think it's widely accepted now that it was a shambles. Most of us knew it at the time, i can't comment on those making the predictions....... ..... well, ok then........other than of course, that they're a bunch of plastic fucks living in a bubble floating miles away from those the Labour party should have been appealing to. you don't have to be hard left to appeal to those the Labour Party need to be appealing to. The types of people labour need to appeal to are the workers, the back bone of this country. You don't appeal to them by scrapping nukes, non singing of anthems, and all the other things the media are hounding him over. Because in the grand scheme of things people care about their jobs and the economy and services. I agree with some of his policies but I won't take his good with his utmost shit Stick to the policies that the workers need. Like I repeated its the far left things which will over shadow and get more negative media attention than his decent polices. Harsh, sad but untimely true Yet again, advice from a Tory............ He's not "far left" as you keep repeating, he's just not centre right as the last lot were.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 16, 2015 20:45:39 GMT
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