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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2015 10:43:08 GMT
Cherrypicking? Are you taking the piss? Name some that didn't go wrong then? Because they're few and far between I think at least 2 in your first list are pretty reasonable deals, with the jury out on a few more as well. I'd add Bertrand as a massive success as well, you then have three in your success stories that cost more than we spent in both windows last season so I don't really get your point. I'm with the manager, the club needs to spend heavily this window.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:44:35 GMT
Cherrypicking? Are you taking the piss? Name some that didn't go wrong then? Because they're few and far between I think at least 2 in your first list are pretty reasonable deals, with the jury out on a few more as well. I'd add Bertrand as a massive success as well, you then have three in your success stories that cost more than we spent in both windows last season so I don't really get your point. I'm with the manager, the club needs to spend heavily this window. Who, Fer and.....? Even he was poached from a relegated club it's not like he went for full whack. Bertrand true, how much did he cost though? If anything you're cherry picking the few that went well, the majority did not. the manager never said that.
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Post by foster on May 27, 2015 10:44:52 GMT
Try to save on fees and increase the wage budget. At least that helps keep our star players at the club.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 27, 2015 10:46:24 GMT
I'd be delighted if we brought in, say, 5 players with a total outlay of less than £10 million providing the players were worth a lot more than we paid for them. For example, Sidney Sam and/or Knoplyanka on free transfers and Tripper on a £3.5 million buy out clause would represent superb business.
I can't understand why so many Stokies look at the headline transfer fees in deciding whether the Coates family are backing the manager. We all know that a free transfer is only free because he is out of contract and he will expect a signing on fee of several £million - which we will be happy to pay because it enables us to (sort of) stay within our wage budget.
Bojan was a fantastic bargin - but anyone who thinks that the total cost to us was "only" a few £100k, really doesn't know how football works.
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Post by dan55 on May 27, 2015 10:47:00 GMT
I wouldn't be bothered at all if we spend less than 10mill. At the end of the day Hughes hasn't spent much at all so far and we've improved. I fully trust in whatever he wants to spend now!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2015 10:48:01 GMT
The wage bill has stayed the same.
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Post by foster on May 27, 2015 10:48:13 GMT
Cherrypicking? Are you taking the piss? Name some that didn't go wrong then? Because they're few and far between I think at least 2 in your first list are pretty reasonable deals, with the jury out on a few more as well. I'd add Bertrand as a massive success as well, you then have three in your success stories that cost more than we spent in both windows last season so I don't really get your point. I'm with the manager, the club needs to spend heavily this window. If we can get 2 in of Bojan or Zonzi's quality for 10m or less then I'll be happy.....as they would be worth it. Saying that another loan such as for Moses would also be good.
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Post by foster on May 27, 2015 10:50:31 GMT
I think everyone's in agreement that we could and should spend, if spent wisely.
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Post by fca47 on May 27, 2015 10:52:31 GMT
Not bothered how much we spend, it's who we get that matters.
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Post by mynamesnotmark on May 27, 2015 11:37:26 GMT
My priority would be signing nzonzi up on a new deal - he must have clubs looking at him now,
After that i'd like to see some cash spent on the RB and RW - a decent RW isn't going to be cheap unless he can find another gem like arnie or bojan
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Post by andylgr on May 27, 2015 11:45:53 GMT
It doesn't matter how much we spend as long as those players are the right fit and improve the team. Arguably this season that was the case.
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Post by apb1 on May 27, 2015 12:07:45 GMT
If we can get Nzonzi to stay, and Begovic, then I'd be more than happy with a lowish 'headline spend'. If they go, all the income from the sales should go on replacing them and strengthening.
As other have said, some evidence of a strategy and sensible investment is far more important than doing a Spurs or Liverpool post their big player sales.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 12:18:14 GMT
Not bothered how much we spend, it's who we get that matters. Absolutely spot on !!!!!
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Post by stokeyank on May 27, 2015 12:24:47 GMT
Lost count of how many times Hughes said the money is there if the right deal comes along. To me that says he is using common sense, will buy players if it fits and the value is there. Also means Coates is backing him but they both understand we do not have top 4 money to piss about taking chances on every over priced player we think might be good.
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Post by apb1 on May 27, 2015 12:32:34 GMT
There should theoretically be more money available - the 2.5m per season for Crouch and 2m for Palacios we amortised across the length of their original deals. Get two new people on 3 year deals at a similar annual rate is 13.5m headline fee. When a player signs on a Bosman we give them a hefty signing on fee I guess, but I'm not sure if this is a one off hit, or spread over years in a similar way.
Whether this saving from fees is better spent on sweetening a free transfer or making Nzonzi ours for ever, or raising all wages (as it would seem inevitable that our wages cap will go at some stage) is a moot point I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 12:50:12 GMT
Without our injuries, I still think that 7th place could have been achieved by the current squad.
However, I reckon that breaking into the top 6 will require considerably more than 10mill investment, so it's easy to imagine that SCFC's total summer spend will reveal whether or not The Coates family have the will and desire to push things further or simply consolidate our top 10 standing. Or does it?
Personally, i'm OK with either, but we are getting very close to the point of seriously diminishing $$$ returns within the transfer market needed to capture the players that will break us into the top 6.
Mourinho and others are already predicting an orgy of spending this summer, so I think we may be better to wait. I won't be too surprised to see very little beyond the Moses deal this summer. Happy either way.
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Post by Robo10 on May 27, 2015 12:54:05 GMT
I will just leave Hughes, and the board of Stoke City to buy the right players at the right price.
Too many teams overspend on players that dont imropve their squad or team ethic - we appear to get it right the majority of the time - whether thats picking up a Bojan for £1m, or even a Crouch (overpriced by some but so far a good servant) for £10m
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2015 13:05:13 GMT
The strategy is very clear No more squad fillers. First team players only, which will cost. Mr Hughes himself stated that the Bojan's of this world are very rare deals. Then boost the future, as we are doing by bring in talented youngsters Second squad filler in the bag!
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Post by basingstokie on May 27, 2015 13:18:40 GMT
Simple from me. Hughes has proved he can be trusted to invest wisely. if he goes to the board and asks for £10m to invest in a player who will significantly improve the team then I would have no question in backing his judgement.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 13:24:41 GMT
bizarre thread really....
if any Premiership team over the last 2 seasons have proved that the actual amount of money spent is completely irrelevant, it's purely who the players are that improve the team then it's us! so why are we even asking it?????
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Post by bolders on May 27, 2015 13:48:36 GMT
£3.35 mil already spent
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Post by thedeadlyshart on May 27, 2015 13:49:43 GMT
Alexis Sanchez isn't in the over 10 mil group. He's been pretty good.
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 27, 2015 14:07:32 GMT
Yes. No need to spend big/waste
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Post by salopstick on May 27, 2015 14:12:30 GMT
I don't care how much we spend providing we get what we need
If anyone doesn't trust the club to do it they are idiots
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Post by crouchbot on May 27, 2015 14:14:03 GMT
Not to sure really. We've already spent £3.5m on Wollscheid and Haugaard so I'd like to think we will spend another £7.5m this summer. That doesn't mean we can't get value for money with cheap or free deals though.
If we add Konoplyanka, Moses, a right back and then maybe Sergi Roberto and an experienced keeper if Bego leaves and that will be us done I think.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 27, 2015 14:15:23 GMT
Up to Hughes, if he's happy spending little as we have done in recent times I'm not fussed how much we spend tbh.
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Post by salopstick on May 27, 2015 14:15:31 GMT
Btw hull over £40 million in two years. Swansea considerably less
Money at our level is irrelevant. It's about the right signings for the club.
I don't want big name signings who may think they are too offie our club
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:17:53 GMT
I'd prefer have Hughes spending 10 million wisely than having a dick splash like Brendan Rodgers throwing money at the likes of the Welsh Xavi.
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Post by nott1 on May 27, 2015 16:04:35 GMT
If we can get players like Konoplyanka for nowt, who needs money?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 16:06:54 GMT
If we can get players like Konoplyanka for nowt, who needs money? Thank god we are paying him in magic beans.
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