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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 10:20:40 GMT
I think it's a bit early to be getting the bunting out and hailing Adam as the answer. Yeah he may not be the answer as such but he's certainly the solution for now, Rob. At present you're right. Not always his biggest fan but he and Whelan are doing well in the central roles.
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Post by stevoyork on Oct 24, 2015 11:22:52 GMT
... And he can score from there
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2015 17:25:01 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 24, 2015 17:34:25 GMT
If only the backline could get healthy we'd have more options... For now all we have is Adam, Whelan and MVG and now Geoff is hurt.
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Post by samba :) on Oct 24, 2015 18:07:11 GMT
Wow, you're better at bringing up things I've said in the past than my ex-girlfriend. it appears you were correct looking at today
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 10:47:37 GMT
Adam? I'd drop the fat knacker faster than a stone. Absolutely woeful.
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Post by foster on Oct 26, 2015 11:01:52 GMT
Adam is doing fine for 60 mins. But he's no N'Zonzi.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 11:03:44 GMT
He was awful on Saturday but all of them bar Pieters, Whelan and Shaq were I guess.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 26, 2015 11:28:04 GMT
Without. N'Zonzi, Bojan will get more of the ball and get it faster. With Arnie on form, Shaqiri as another threat for opposing defenders to worry about and Diouf's pace, we need to play forward faster and more often, Charlie offers this, N'Zonzi' s long passing was almost non-existent. My worry about Charlie has always been defence and we do look more open at times but football is about compromises and it is fair to say N'Zonzi was not great defensively, he rarely picked up runners in behind him. And the stats do suggest Charlie is doing well defensively. Our back five is stronger this year with a better goalie and right back so that helps. The challenge now is to turn our attacking potential into more goals Sounds like N'Zonzi didn't contribute much. Maybe that accounts for our scintillating play this season; was he holding us back?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 23:03:00 GMT
Everyone's thoughts still the same then? Adam has been excellent in recent weeks, one of the big reasons for our upturn in form. He was absolutely dreadful vs Watford! And wasn't much better vs Bournemouth.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 23:07:04 GMT
Nice one upthefud. Well worth bringing this back up to the top and showing the Oatcake brains trust how little they really understand about football! Adam will never get the credit he deserves from some Stoke fans Adam playing deep has added an extra-dimension to our play that we never had with Nzonzi. Needs to keep his discipline and positioning, but so far he has concentrated really well on the defensive side of his game. Yeah the inability to win at home. Ace! He was awful on Saturday and against Bournemouth (I didn't see the away games). And both times we've only really had Whelan turning up in midfield. Adam has waddled around doing naff all in both games. Apart from being a massive part of the problem that is ie the inability to keep the ball vs Bournemouth and against Watford the inability to drive us forward, keep the ball or help his midfield partner. In the other home game he got sent off for being a nob and it was along with Afellay being a nob the reason we lost. Nice one Charlie.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 26, 2015 23:22:28 GMT
Nice one upthefud. Well worth bringing this back up to the top and showing the Oatcake brains trust how little they really understand about football! Adam will never get the credit he deserves from some Stoke fans Adam playing deep has added an extra-dimension to our play that we never had with Nzonzi. Needs to keep his discipline and positioning, but so far he has concentrated really well on the defensive side of his game. Yeah the inability to win at home. Ace! He was awful on Saturday and against Bournemouth (I didn't see the away games). And both times we've only really had Whelan turning up in midfield. Adam has waddled around doing naff all in both games. Apart from being a massive part of the problem that is ie the inability to keep the ball vs Bournemouth and against Watford the inability to drive us forward, keep the ball or help his midfield partner. In the other home game he got sent off for being a nob and it was along with Afellay being a nob the reason we lost. Nice one Charlie. Are you seriously suggesting that Adam doesn't produce more than N'Zonzi, and that we were better last season with the sulky Frenchie?
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Post by samba :) on Oct 26, 2015 23:24:49 GMT
Nice one upthefud. Well worth bringing this back up to the top and showing the Oatcake brains trust how little they really understand about football! Adam will never get the credit he deserves from some Stoke fans Adam playing deep has added an extra-dimension to our play that we never had with Nzonzi. Needs to keep his discipline and positioning, but so far he has concentrated really well on the defensive side of his game. Yeah the inability to win at home. Ace! He was awful on Saturday and against Bournemouth (I didn't see the away games). And both times we've only really had Whelan turning up in midfield. Adam has waddled around doing naff all in both games. Apart from being a massive part of the problem that is ie the inability to keep the ball vs Bournemouth and against Watford the inability to drive us forward, keep the ball or help his midfield partner. In the other home game he got sent off for being a nob and it was along with Afellay being a nob the reason we lost. Nice one Charlie. can't disagree
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 23:26:05 GMT
Yeah the inability to win at home. Ace! He was awful on Saturday and against Bournemouth (I didn't see the away games). And both times we've only really had Whelan turning up in midfield. Adam has waddled around doing naff all in both games. Apart from being a massive part of the problem that is ie the inability to keep the ball vs Bournemouth and against Watford the inability to drive us forward, keep the ball or help his midfield partner. In the other home game he got sent off for being a nob and it was along with Afellay being a nob the reason we lost. Nice one Charlie. Are you seriously suggesting that Adam doesn't produce more than N'Zonzi, and that we were better last season with the sulky Frenchie? N'Zonzi is a far better player and we've missed him massively, the massive hole next to Whelan shows that. MVG has to play at the weekend.
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Post by samba :) on Oct 26, 2015 23:30:18 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting that Adam doesn't produce more than N'Zonzi, and that we were better last season with the sulky Frenchie? N'Zonzi is a far better player and we've missed him massively, the massive hole next to Whelan shows that. MVG has to play at the weekend. have to disagree
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 23:32:57 GMT
N'Zonzi is a far better player and we've missed him massively, the massive hole next to Whelan shows that. MVG has to play at the weekend. have to disagree Adam was awful, has to be dropped. MVG is no real solution but nor is Adam. Signing a central midfielder in January has to be a priority because it's a massive void. 4 changes needed from the side at the weekend for me for 'Castle. Shawcross, Muni, MVG and Diouf in.
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Post by samba :) on Oct 26, 2015 23:35:04 GMT
Adam was awful, has to be dropped. MVG is no real solution but nor is Adam. Signing a central midfielder in January has to be a priority because it's a massive void. 4 changes needed from the side at the weekend for me for 'Castle. Shawcross, Muni, MVG and Diouf in. MVG just needs to get punched a few times to toughen him up, play him cb marking mitrovic then he'll be alright
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 26, 2015 23:35:05 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting that Adam doesn't produce more than N'Zonzi, and that we were better last season with the sulky Frenchie? N'Zonzi is a far better player and we've missed him massively, the massive hole next to Whelan shows that. MVG has to play at the weekend. I agree about Zonze, and I can't believe how people deny we have been less of a team without him. It's like saying we don't miss Shawcross. Would you stick to 4-2-3-1 all the time or do you think a change is order for some matches?
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Post by samba :) on Oct 26, 2015 23:35:44 GMT
Adam was awful, has to be dropped. MVG is no real solution but nor is Adam. Signing a central midfielder in January has to be a priority because it's a massive void. 4 changes needed from the side at the weekend for me for 'Castle. Shawcross, Muni, MVG and Diouf in. MVG just needs to get punched a few times to toughen him up, play him cb marking mitrovic then he'll be alright please stoke don't ever play him centre back
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 23:36:38 GMT
Adam was awful, has to be dropped. MVG is no real solution but nor is Adam. Signing a central midfielder in January has to be a priority because it's a massive void. 4 changes needed from the side at the weekend for me for 'Castle. Shawcross, Muni, MVG and Diouf in. MVG just needs to get punched a few times to toughen him up, play him cb marking mitrovic then he'll be alright He's not ideal but I think he deserves another go.
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 26, 2015 23:38:06 GMT
Without. N'Zonzi, Bojan will get more of the ball and get it faster. With Arnie on form, Shaqiri as another threat for opposing defenders to worry about and Diouf's pace, we need to play forward faster and more often, Charlie offers this, N'Zonzi' s long passing was almost non-existent. My worry about Charlie has always been defence and we do look more open at times but football is about compromises and it is fair to say N'Zonzi was not great defensively, he rarely picked up runners in behind him. And the stats do suggest Charlie is doing well defensively. Our back five is stronger this year with a better goalie and right back so that helps. The challenge now is to turn our attacking potential into more goals I've not noticed us getting the ball forward any quicker this season than last. I'd say the opposite is true.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 23:38:52 GMT
N'Zonzi is a far better player and we've missed him massively, the massive hole next to Whelan shows that. MVG has to play at the weekend. I agree about Zonze, and I can't believe how people deny we have been less of a team without him. It's like saying we don't miss Shawcross. Would you stick to 4-2-3-1 all the time or do you think a change is order for some matches? I'd stick with it. The only other formation I'd like to see us try is a genuine 4-4-2 even though we haven't got the conventional wingers for it, I just like the idea of Joselu and Diouf up top together. But it'd mean no Bojan so isn't a goer at all.
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 26, 2015 23:42:00 GMT
I agree about Zonze, and I can't believe how people deny we have been less of a team without him. It's like saying we don't miss Shawcross. Would you stick to 4-2-3-1 all the time or do you think a change is order for some matches? I'd stick with it. The only other formation I'd like to see us try is a genuine 4-4-2 even though we haven't got the conventional wingers for it, I just like the idea of Joselu and Diouf up top together. But it'd mean no Bojan so isn't a goer at all. Wingless wonders Bayern, wingless wonders. Worked in '66.......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 23:45:50 GMT
I'd stick with it. The only other formation I'd like to see us try is a genuine 4-4-2 even though we haven't got the conventional wingers for it, I just like the idea of Joselu and Diouf up top together. But it'd mean no Bojan so isn't a goer at all. Wingless wonders Bayern, wingless wonders. Worked in '66....... We'd be getting into the realms of some batshit mental FIFA formation with that. I've got diagonal balls, fast bastards running off Joselu and a cage for central midfield in mind..... In all seriousness though I think Joselu and MBD would be ace up front together but it should be the plan B when we're 1 down or drawing at home.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 26, 2015 23:47:48 GMT
Adam was awful, has to be dropped. MVG is no real solution but nor is Adam. Signing a central midfielder in January has to be a priority because it's a massive void. 4 changes needed from the side at the weekend for me for 'Castle. Shawcross, Muni, MVG and Diouf in. Who is this central midfielder, though? I always liked Dembele, but he seems out of our reach. As for wingers, I wish we had gone for Nathan Redmond.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2015 23:49:51 GMT
Adam was awful, has to be dropped. MVG is no real solution but nor is Adam. Signing a central midfielder in January has to be a priority because it's a massive void. 4 changes needed from the side at the weekend for me for 'Castle. Shawcross, Muni, MVG and Diouf in. Who is this central midfielder, though? I always liked Dembele, but he seems out of our reach. As for wingers, I wish we had gone for Nathan Redmond. No idea why we didn't go balls deep for him when it seemed like Spurs may have been willing to sell (maybe we did) who knows? No idea though but there's got to someone out there better than Adam and MVG. I never got why we didn't sign Redmond when we signed Butland. Seemed a no brainer to get both.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 27, 2015 0:32:03 GMT
Everyone's thoughts still the same then? Adam has been excellent in recent weeks, one of the big reasons for our upturn in form. He was absolutely dreadful vs Watford! And wasn't much better vs Bournemouth. I haven't seen the Watford game fortunately and I'll struggle to watch us again this season as I've gone mincing about in Asia for a year. It's 8:30am here so the time difference is a killer. I posted that before the Watford game (where by all accounts most of the team were wank) and even so my point stands that he CAN play the role off days aside. Since he's replaced MVG we look a better team on the whole.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 27, 2015 0:42:00 GMT
Adam was awful, has to be dropped. MVG is no real solution but nor is Adam. Signing a central midfielder in January has to be a priority because it's a massive void. 4 changes needed from the side at the weekend for me for 'Castle. Shawcross, Muni, MVG and Diouf in. MVG just needs to get punched a few times to toughen him up, play him cb marking mitrovic then he'll be alright He also needs to figure out what to do when he hasn't got the ball.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 27, 2015 0:43:45 GMT
He was absolutely dreadful vs Watford! And wasn't much better vs Bournemouth. I haven't seen the Watford game fortunately and I'll struggle to watch us again this season as I've gone mincing about in Asia for a year. It's 8:30am here so the time difference is a killer. I posted that before the Watford game (where by all accounts most of the team were wank) and even so my point stands that he CAN play the role off days aside. Since he's replaced MVG we look a better team on the whole. Not sure how that works, the team looks pretty much the same to me, still haven't played well yet.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 27, 2015 0:45:42 GMT
I haven't seen the Watford game fortunately and I'll struggle to watch us again this season as I've gone mincing about in Asia for a year. It's 8:30am here so the time difference is a killer. I posted that before the Watford game (where by all accounts most of the team were wank) and even so my point stands that he CAN play the role off days aside. Since he's replaced MVG we look a better team on the whole. Not sure how that works, the team looks pretty much the same to me, still haven't played well yet. 3 wins on the spin, first two clean sheets of the season?
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