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Post by metalhead on May 25, 2015 8:59:56 GMT
Sit in the home end, you wear neutral colours and keep your mouth shut imo. Not condoning anyone hitting them, but really, it's just common sense isn't it? Minimizing risk etc.
Whoever slapped them is a bit of a daft sod considering the way the game panned out.
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Post by stokeharry on May 25, 2015 9:05:30 GMT
Away fans shouldn't be sat in the home end and should expect a smack if they do so. Stoke still has more than its fair share of "lad's" that don't like it. Is it something I'd do ? NO . Is it something I condone ? NO , buts it's to be expected and unless it's the elderly, womens or kids then to be honest I have no sympathy for them . Football is territorial and anyone stupid enough to wear colours in the wrong end shouldn't be shocked when they get chinned especially at somewhere like Stoke Stupid comment. Well done to the two Stoke big men in the family stand who threatened and abused a 14 year old kid (Liverpool fan) who was sitting with his Stoke schoolmate. The kid was traumatised and they had to leave. Real tough guys. Credit to the city. Not a stupid comment 100% spot on and I stand by what I say
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Post by stokeharry on May 25, 2015 9:07:58 GMT
Sit in the home end, you wear neutral colours and keep your mouth shut imo. Not condoning anyone hitting them, but really, it's just common sense isn't it? Minimizing risk etc. Whoever slapped them is a bit of a daft sod considering the way the game panned out. And considering the CCTV in and around the ground these days and the OTT policing why risk a criminal record and a ban. Not really worth it in the grand scheme of things
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Post by stokeharry on May 25, 2015 9:10:02 GMT
I heard about this straight after the game from a mate of mine that works within the club and it sickened me. The group were all Stoke supporters from the Southern Germany and Austria supporters club who had come over especially for the game. Something they have done several times - even bringing over as many as 100 people at one point to support our club. They bought their 50/50 scarf outside the ground to celebrate the last match of the season and with the last game of Gerrard - just as a memento of the occasion. At the start of the game some Stoke fans saw the Gerrard/Liverpool connection on the scarf but failed to spot the Stoke connection. As many of the German/Austrian fans couldn't speak English that well they were struggling to explain that they were Stoke City fans and not Liverpool. They all got ejected for their own safety, one of them got assaulted and they all missed the game. Sorry, but welcome to Stoke. Really sad. If that's true that's unfortunate but if they are genuine fans hopefully it won't put them off returning
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:13:13 GMT
If you want an example of how it could/should be then see a rugby union prem game. Some great ribbing/banter between the different fans, everyone is friendly and the atmosphere is just really good.
Personally I'd like one stand to be the 'singing stand' and the rest mix but it'd never happen
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Post by metalhead on May 25, 2015 9:18:54 GMT
I heard about this straight after the game from a mate of mine that works within the club and it sickened me. The group were all Stoke supporters from the Southern Germany and Austria supporters club who had come over especially for the game. Something they have done several times - even bringing over as many as 100 people at one point to support our club. They bought their 50/50 scarf outside the ground to celebrate the last match of the season and with the last game of Gerrard - just as a memento of the occasion. At the start of the game some Stoke fans saw the Gerrard/Liverpool connection on the scarf but failed to spot the Stoke connection. As many of the German/Austrian fans couldn't speak English that well they were struggling to explain that they were Stoke City fans and not Liverpool. They all got ejected for their own safety, one of them got assaulted and they all missed the game. Sorry, but welcome to Stoke. Really sad. If that is true then that really is saddening.
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Post by bathstoke on May 25, 2015 9:27:59 GMT
I heard about this straight after the game from a mate of mine that works within the club and it sickened me. The group were all Stoke supporters from the Southern Germany and Austria supporters club who had come over especially for the game. Something they have done several times - even bringing over as many as 100 people at one point to support our club. They bought their 50/50 scarf outside the ground to celebrate the last match of the season and with the last game of Gerrard - just as a memento of the occasion. At the start of the game some Stoke fans saw the Gerrard/Liverpool connection on the scarf but failed to spot the Stoke connection. As many of the German/Austrian fans couldn't speak English that well they were struggling to explain that they were Stoke City fans and not Liverpool. They all got ejected for their own safety, one of them got assaulted and they all missed the game. Sorry, but welcome to Stoke. Really sad. If
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Post by leicspotter on May 25, 2015 9:28:02 GMT
I'm not one of the retards btw mate I was just stating it's not very wise for a group of about 10 wearing away colours in the home end whether it be at our club or anywhere else. I am glad they left you alone in the kop!!!! bertie, I think by the very fact that they were daft enough to sit in the home section wearing their colours in full view tells us that they must have been tourists, not Uk based scouse fans. That being the case, surely a "quiet word" from the stewards to leave would have been the sensible option? Scousers up for a ruck might be fair game, but then would they really sit there in their colours? We really do have some sad acts in oour fan base!
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Post by bertiestan on May 25, 2015 9:31:45 GMT
I apologise for not mentioning this in my previous posts but I blame the stewards just as much as the Liverpool fans who sat in our end. Bad form on our part definitely!
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Post by bathstoke on May 25, 2015 9:36:14 GMT
If you want an example of how it could/should be then see a rugby union prem game. Some great ribbing/banter between the different fans, everyone is friendly and the atmosphere is just really good. Personally I'd like one stand to be the 'singing stand' and the rest mix but it'd never happen I'm not having that. Rugby Union(the bum sniffers) as opposed to League(the dirty Northerners), is a minority sport for fat kids & bullies. It's got no atmos & they know it. I saw at the wkend that Bath have now employed a samba band in an attempt to wake their fans from the dead
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:40:00 GMT
I heard about this straight after the game from a mate of mine that works within the club and it sickened me. The group were all Stoke supporters from the Southern Germany and Austria supporters club who had come over especially for the game. Something they have done several times - even bringing over as many as 100 people at one point to support our club. They bought their 50/50 scarf outside the ground to celebrate the last match of the season and with the last game of Gerrard - just as a memento of the occasion. At the start of the game some Stoke fans saw the Gerrard/Liverpool connection on the scarf but failed to spot the Stoke connection. As many of the German/Austrian fans couldn't speak English that well they were struggling to explain that they were Stoke City fans and not Liverpool. They all got ejected for their own safety, one of them got assaulted and they all missed the game. Sorry, but welcome to Stoke. Really sad. If that is true then that really is saddening. This ^
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Post by rednwhite43 on May 25, 2015 9:43:42 GMT
I saw the whole thing right in front of me they were foreign about 8 of them they were ushered out by the stewards when they got to the top of the steps a lad from above us came charging down and smaked a lad wearing an orange cap in the kisser ,everyone was giving them dogs abuse.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:53:03 GMT
I've sat in various home ends on many occasions and am always conscious that it only takes a couple of idiots nearby to get you a slap. Only one have I been "outed" and that was at Chesterfield's old ground where I got set upon by a couple of youths and marched round to the away end by the stewards just as Kyle Lightbourne slotted home our 2nd goal. Large quantities of pre-match Absinthe helped numb the pain so all was good.
That said I find it sad when I read stories of fans been set upon, especially foreign tourists who are guilty of naivety and nothing else. There was a guy a couple of rows behind us yesterday who shouted "Go on Stevie lad" in a Scouce accent during the warm up, the two fellas behind me turned round and told him in no uncertain terms if he wanted to stay in his seat for the duration of the game he needed to keep his gob shut, he did and everything was fine. In my younger days I would have probably said he was fair game for a slap, but as I get older I do think "FFS it's only a game". If fans are respectful then I haven't got an issue, if they're not then it's daft on their part but still doesn't warrant some of the reactions, the stewards can eject them quietly and without fuss without some goon from 10 rows away running over to try and have a ruck.......
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:55:04 GMT
If you want an example of how it could/should be then see a rugby union prem game. Some great ribbing/banter between the different fans, everyone is friendly and the atmosphere is just really good. Personally I'd like one stand to be the 'singing stand' and the rest mix but it'd never happen I'm not having that. Rugby Union(the bum sniffers) as opposed to League(the dirty Northerners), is a minority sport for fat kids & bullies. It's got no atmos & they know it. I saw at the wkend that Bath have now employed a samba band in an attempt to wake their fans from the dead What I mean is it's a pleasant and friendly atmosphere among the fans. My suggestion of 'singing stands' is to keep some of the atmosphere impacting on the players on the pitch.
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Post by rodisgod1 on May 25, 2015 10:28:08 GMT
One man ran from the back row of the stand down to them to just have a go at them and pushed one of them and looked like he tried to throw a punch, what an idiot, embarrassing, should have been chucked out himself Yeah saw the short arsed prick - bald, middle aged dwarf wearing glasses!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 25, 2015 10:36:29 GMT
I sat in the middle of the Kop for our game there because Stoke only took a tiny allocation this season , had no trouble but just kept quiet and no colours
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Post by chayzenbacon on May 25, 2015 11:20:10 GMT
I heard about this straight after the game from a mate of mine that works within the club and it sickened me. The group were all Stoke supporters from the Southern Germany and Austria supporters club who had come over especially for the game. Something they have done several times - even bringing over as many as 100 people at one point to support our club. They bought their 50/50 scarf outside the ground to celebrate the last match of the season and with the last game of Gerrard - just as a memento of the occasion. At the start of the game some Stoke fans saw the Gerrard/Liverpool connection on the scarf but failed to spot the Stoke connection. As many of the German/Austrian fans couldn't speak English that well they were struggling to explain that they were Stoke City fans and not Liverpool. They all got ejected for their own safety, one of them got assaulted and they all missed the game. Sorry, but welcome to Stoke. Really sad. If this is true then I really hope that the club bans anyone that was violent towards them and also gives the whole group an all expenses paid trip to a home match next season. They must have the details of the person that bought the tickets. Seems to me like the best way to make up for such a disgraceful episode badly handled by the club's employees or contractors i.e. the stewards.
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Post by mailman44 on May 25, 2015 11:37:17 GMT
I heard about this straight after the game from a mate of mine that works within the club and it sickened me. The group were all Stoke supporters from the Southern Germany and Austria supporters club who had come over especially for the game. Something they have done several times - even bringing over as many as 100 people at one point to support our club. They bought their 50/50 scarf outside the ground to celebrate the last match of the season and with the last game of Gerrard - just as a memento of the occasion. At the start of the game some Stoke fans saw the Gerrard/Liverpool connection on the scarf but failed to spot the Stoke connection. As many of the German/Austrian fans couldn't speak English that well they were struggling to explain that they were Stoke City fans and not Liverpool. They all got ejected for their own safety, one of them got assaulted and they all missed the game. Sorry, but welcome to Stoke. Really sad. If that's true that's unfortunate but if they are genuine fans hopefully it won't put them off returning Why would it out them off returning? Let's be realistic they probably spent a few bob on planes, trains, and automobiles, lodging, food, drink, match tickets, vacation time ..... Shambolic and the club better make this right. These poor fans have every reason to be "put off."
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Post by bassmaster on May 25, 2015 11:59:01 GMT
Right, so you tell me the world and people have changed but the evidence from yesterday would indicate that it hasn't. Do I believe your assertion or the evidence, of which there is plenty? To believe you I'd have to dismiss the facts. I'd also have to go along with the assumption that back in the 'bad old days' everybody supported violence at football matches and that somehow, people had now wised up and were more genteel and very, very nice to each other. Well, back in the day, a lot of people abhorred violence and didn't get involved. I know, I was there and just as now, there were 'idiots' attached to football clubs. Just as now, some engaged in violence and others didn't. The facts would indicate that nowt much has changed in terms of idiots and their attitudes and behaviours. Going into a home end with your colours on is pretty idiotic behaviour irrespective of decade, century etc. Oh come on. They weren't even English. How is what they did so bad to deserve getting punched by a fuckin low life dickhead? I too was around at football in the 80s and 90s and it was much more accepted in football that there would be trouble. Nowadays it's despised by 99% of football fans. I saw the incident as I was only a few rows away and to run 20 rows down to whack someone for watching a football match is fucking pathetic in this day and age If you are unable to comprehend the obvious consequences of going into a home end with visiting colours, then I shall leave you alone to inhabit your own version of cloud cuckoo land.
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Post by stokeharry on May 25, 2015 13:25:22 GMT
If that is true then that really is saddening. This ^ After thinking about it I don't believe it
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Post by stokeharry on May 25, 2015 13:28:36 GMT
If that's true that's unfortunate but if they are genuine fans hopefully it won't put them off returning Why would it out them off returning? Let's be realistic they probably spent a few bob on planes, trains, and automobiles, lodging, food, drink, match tickets, vacation time ..... Shambolic and the club better make this right. These poor fans have every reason to be "put off." You have just answered your own question . But I don't believe they were Stoke fans anyway . After hearing from people that I know that saw everything I think it's safe to say they were Liverpool
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Post by bertiestan on May 25, 2015 13:30:41 GMT
One man ran from the back row of the stand down to them to just have a go at them and pushed one of them and looked like he tried to throw a punch, what an idiot, embarrassing, should have been chucked out himself Yeah saw the short arsed prick - bald, middle aged dwarf wearing glasses! Sounds like a case of little man syndrome to me.
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Post by BristolMick on May 25, 2015 13:41:02 GMT
Away fans shouldn't be sat in the home end and should expect a smack if they do so. Stoke still has more than its fair share of "lad's" that don't like it. Is it something I'd do ? NO . Is it something I condone ? NO , buts it's to be expected and unless it's the elderly, womens or kids then to be honest I have no sympathy for them . Football is territorial and anyone stupid enough to wear colours in the wrong end shouldn't be shocked when they get chinned especially at somewhere like Stoke Stupid comment. Well done to the two Stoke big men in the family stand who threatened and abused a 14 year old kid (Liverpool fan) who was sitting with his Stoke schoolmate. The kid was traumatised and they had to leave. Real tough guys. Credit to the city. That is bad hoopty. I don't think this would have happened if we were playing say Southampton or Burnley and a kid in the family stand was wearing their colours. It happens with the big clubs and I think that might be because they are perceived as being local gloryhunters. BM
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:49:14 GMT
This calls for a 30 year inquest.........
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Post by Ayupshag on May 25, 2015 13:53:47 GMT
Oh come on. They weren't even English. How is what they did so bad to deserve getting punched by a fuckin low life dickhead? I too was around at football in the 80s and 90s and it was much more accepted in football that there would be trouble. Nowadays it's despised by 99% of football fans. I saw the incident as I was only a few rows away and to run 20 rows down to whack someone for watching a football match is fucking pathetic in this day and age If you are unable to comprehend the obvious consequences of going into a home end with visiting colours, then I shall leave you alone to inhabit your own version of cloud cuckoo land. Do you realise how pathetic that sounds? If they're only there to watch the game and not jump around shouting and screaming and generally taking the piss then why shouldn't they be able to watch their team in another end of the ground? I know it's never going to be where everyone can sit together like it is at the rugby but to condone twatting someone just because he doesn't support the same team as you and me is pathetic and childish. I seem to remember us in Valencia doing that exact thing yet nobody batted an eyelid and we all agreed what a wonderful occasion it was. Truly fucking unbelievable the double standards some people have
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Post by stokeharry on May 25, 2015 13:54:49 GMT
This calls for a 30 year inquest......... And a minutes silence
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Post by bertiestan on May 25, 2015 13:59:27 GMT
I'm thinking that if we lost this match the attitude of a lot you would be different, the fact we won 6.1 makes the away fans sitting in our end a bit less relevant.
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Post by bassmaster on May 25, 2015 14:00:32 GMT
If you are unable to comprehend the obvious consequences of going into a home end with visiting colours, then I shall leave you alone to inhabit your own version of cloud cuckoo land. Do you realise how pathetic that sounds? If they're only there to watch the game and not jump around shouting and screaming and generally taking the piss then why shouldn't they be able to watch their team in another end of the ground? I know it's never going to be where everyone can sit together like it is at the rugby but to condone twatting someone just because he doesn't support the same team as you and me is pathetic and childish. I seem to remember us in Valencia doing that exact thing yet nobody batted an eyelid and we all agreed what a wonderful occasion it was. Truly fucking unbelievable the double standards some people have Where have I condoned anything? You appear to have a recurring problem in that you just make shit up to suit your worldview. It's like trying to have an adult conversation with a demented mongoose but at least the mongoose would have some comedic value.
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Post by Ayupshag on May 25, 2015 14:25:05 GMT
Do you realise how pathetic that sounds? If they're only there to watch the game and not jump around shouting and screaming and generally taking the piss then why shouldn't they be able to watch their team in another end of the ground? I know it's never going to be where everyone can sit together like it is at the rugby but to condone twatting someone just because he doesn't support the same team as you and me is pathetic and childish. I seem to remember us in Valencia doing that exact thing yet nobody batted an eyelid and we all agreed what a wonderful occasion it was. Truly fucking unbelievable the double standards some people have Where have I condoned anything? You appear to have a recurring problem in that you just make shit up to suit your worldview. It's like trying to have an adult conversation with a demented mongoose but at least the mongoose would have some comedic value. You're condoning it by saying that there's obvious consequences by wearing a football shirt in another part of the ground. I could get a more sensible response from a fuckin caveman. But there's the problem isn't it. Too many cavemen attending our games
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Post by bertiestan on May 25, 2015 14:29:30 GMT
We have home and away ends for a reason shag, like I said none of you seem bothered as we pasted them 6.1. If we'd have lost and got goaded by the scouse imposters there would be hell to pay.
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