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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 21, 2015 23:40:27 GMT
The lost art of Shoegazing. The miserable spawn of Goth and {edit: and perhaps part begetter of} Grunge. With their introspection, pumps, cardigans and fringes I thought they'd failed to breed and became extinct. My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Lush and such? Then I see Ride are back.... Ace..  |
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Post by bathstoke on May 22, 2015 7:01:50 GMT
That's not goth. That's West coast, psychedelic/Rock/pop. Can't understand a word, but I like it  |
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Post by craig67 on May 22, 2015 9:33:02 GMT
It's like Kula Shaker had never been formed.
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Post by GlennA on May 22, 2015 10:53:39 GMT
Slowdive reformed last year and it seemed to be a big deal. Weird because no fucker paid them any attention the first time 'round. I liked Pale Saints, if they count?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 22, 2015 12:31:21 GMT
That's not goth. That's West coast, psychedelic/Rock/pop. Can't understand a word, but I like it 'Shoegazing' as a musical genre/tribe was a precursor to what became Britpop. It had a brief popularity in the early nineties, it was very much the spawn of Goth and Grunge. Ride were perhaps a poor example, and they do seem to have found a bit of wah-wah. Back in the day they were much greyer. They did like their incomprehensible mumbled vocals did the Shoegazers. No, I havn't a clue either. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 22, 2015 12:36:17 GMT
It's like Kula Shaker had never been formed. Ride were formed in the late 80's, they were before Kula Shaker, by several years. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 22, 2015 12:43:42 GMT
Slowdive reformed last year and it seemed to be a big deal. Weird because no fucker paid them any attention the first time 'round. I liked Pale Saints, if they count? I don't think I've ever heard a Slowdive song. I'd forgotten about Pale Saints, I may have to do a youtube. Bands like these killed new British guitar music for me for a while. I keep reading good reviews for SunDial, but I've never got them. |
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Post by LGH87 on May 22, 2015 12:49:51 GMT
Slowdive reformed last year and it seemed to be a big deal. Weird because no fucker paid them any attention the first time 'round. I liked Pale Saints, if they count? I don't think I've ever heard a Slowdive song. I'd forgotten about Pale Saints, I may have to do a youtube. Bands like these killed new British guitar music for me for a while. I keep reading good reviews for SunDial, but I've never got them. Absolute masterpiece of an album. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 22, 2015 17:23:48 GMT
That's not goth. That's West coast, psychedelic/Rock/pop. Can't understand a word, but I like it 'Shoegazing' as a musical genre/tribe was a precursor to what became Britpop. It had a brief popularity in the early nineties, it was very much the spawn of Goth and Grunge. Ride were perhaps a poor example, and they do seem to have found a bit of wah-wah. Back in the day they were much greyer. They did like their incomprehensible mumbled vocals did the Shoegazers. No, I havn't a clue either. Indie was the precursor to Brit-Pop & whilst Goth may have been on thee indie labels, they were hardly Brit-Pop. Brit-Pop was the commercialisation of indie bands of the ilk of Stone Roses |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 18:09:14 GMT
That's not goth. That's West coast, psychedelic/Rock/pop. Can't understand a word, but I like it 'Shoegazing' as a musical genre/tribe was a precursor to what became Britpop. It had a brief popularity in the early nineties, it was very much the spawn of Goth and Grunge. Ride were perhaps a poor example, and they do seem to have found a bit of wah-wah. Back in the day they were much greyer. They did like their incomprehensible mumbled vocals did the Shoegazers. No, I havn't a clue either. Ride were much under-rated imo amd never really part of the Shoegazing scene, although the music press being the music press and desperate for a 'scene' of any kind lumped them in with Chapterhouse, Lush, Slowdive, MBV etc. If anyone wants to get to know Ride a bit better their first two albums are the best, especially the second one Going Blank Again, which is a cracking album and available in its entirety on youtube. It all went a bit downhill from there, leading to the point where the two songwriters insisted on having their songs on different sides of the album! Andy Bell of course went on to sell his soul and join Oasis before finally seeing reason and rediscovering some musical integrity  |
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 9, 2015 10:04:23 GMT
'Shoegazing' as a musical genre/tribe was a precursor to what became Britpop. It had a brief popularity in the early nineties, it was very much the spawn of Goth and Grunge. Ride were perhaps a poor example, and they do seem to have found a bit of wah-wah. Back in the day they were much greyer. They did like their incomprehensible mumbled vocals did the Shoegazers. No, I havn't a clue either. Ride were much under-rated imo amd never really part of the Shoegazing scene, although the music press being the music press and desperate for a 'scene' of any kind lumped them in with Chapterhouse, Lush, Slowdive, MBV etc. If anyone wants to get to know Ride a bit better their first two albums are the best, especially the second one Going Blank Again, which is a cracking album and available in its entirety on youtube. It all went a bit downhill from there, leading to the point where the two songwriters insisted on having their songs on different sides of the album! Andy Bell of course went on to sell his soul and join Oasis before finally seeing reason and rediscovering some musical integrity One of my all time favourite tracks is Vapour Trail by ride. Quality lyrics, and the instrumental from 2 minutes on is just awe inspiring. |
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 9, 2015 10:04:47 GMT
'Shoegazing' as a musical genre/tribe was a precursor to what became Britpop. It had a brief popularity in the early nineties, it was very much the spawn of Goth and Grunge. Ride were perhaps a poor example, and they do seem to have found a bit of wah-wah. Back in the day they were much greyer. They did like their incomprehensible mumbled vocals did the Shoegazers. No, I havn't a clue either. Ride were much under-rated imo amd never really part of the Shoegazing scene, although the music press being the music press and desperate for a 'scene' of any kind lumped them in with Chapterhouse, Lush, Slowdive, MBV etc. If anyone wants to get to know Ride a bit better their first two albums are the best, especially the second one Going Blank Again, which is a cracking album and available in its entirety on youtube. It all went a bit downhill from there, leading to the point where the two songwriters insisted on having their songs on different sides of the album! Andy Bell of course went on to sell his soul and join Oasis before finally seeing reason and rediscovering some musical integrity One of my all time favourite tracks is Vapour Trail by ride. Quality lyrics, and the instrumental from 2 minutes on is just awe inspiring. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 15:42:39 GMT
This is shoegazing way before shoegazing were a sparkle in Peter Murphy's eye...
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Post by gilberto on Jun 9, 2015 16:11:46 GMT
Looking forward to this documentary when it finally gets a release...
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Post by gilberto on Jun 9, 2015 16:13:09 GMT
This is shoegazing way before shoegazing were a sparkle in Peter Murphy's eye... Still haven't had the chance to see Loop since they reformed. I'm sure I read that they've got a new album on the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 16:18:19 GMT
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Post by Hamburgstokie on Jun 9, 2015 16:25:36 GMT
I saw Ride in Manchester and Amsterdam a couple of weeks back and they were quite superb.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jun 10, 2015 7:55:33 GMT
The lost art of Shoegazing. The miserable spawn of Goth and Grunge. With their introspection, pumps, cardigans and fringes I thought they'd failed to breed and became extinct. My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Lush and such? Then I see Ride are back.... I see that Bez has got himself cleaned up, and learned to play drums. Or is it John Bishop? |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jun 10, 2015 8:04:21 GMT
The lost art of Shoegazing. The miserable spawn of Goth and Grunge. With their introspection, pumps, cardigans and fringes I thought they'd failed to breed and became extinct. My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Lush and such? Then I see Ride are back.... I see that Bez has got himself cleaned up, and learned to play drums. Or is it John Bishop? Whoever it is, I think the important thing is that Bez has cleaned himself up, and has learned to play the drums. |
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Post by skip on Jun 10, 2015 8:05:52 GMT
That's not goth. That's West coast, psychedelic/Rock/pop. Can't understand a word, but I like it 'Shoegazing' as a musical genre/tribe was a precursor to what became Britpop. It had a brief popularity in the early nineties, it was very much the spawn of Goth and Grunge. Ride were perhaps a poor example, and they do seem to have found a bit of wah-wah. Back in the day they were much greyer. They did like their incomprehensible mumbled vocals did the Shoegazers. No, I havn't a clue either. Britpop was a reaction against Shoegaze-esque music. A world apart from staring at your winkle pickers to clicking your Adidas Samber heals in a jolly fashion. I think the reason for the recent upturn in respect for shoegaze - what a ridiculous attempt by the music press to contrive a scene! - is that musically and culturally its legacy beats Britpop hands down. |
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Post by Hamburgstokie on Jun 11, 2015 13:14:39 GMT
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Post by gilberto on Jun 11, 2015 13:16:16 GMT
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jun 11, 2015 22:35:33 GMT
I did like the Cocteau Twins, saw them on a snowy Treasure Tour at Leeds Uni in about '85.
Last Century.
It's all gobbledigook.
Blur and Verve came out of the Shoegazery and got straight into the BritPop nonsense.
They may well have been media constructs, but still the kids adopted those labels.
Quite like the new Blur album.
Don't like MBV and Kevin Shields overblown production nonsense.
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Post by gilberto on Jun 12, 2015 10:06:57 GMT
So it has! Missed it completely. Thanks. |
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Post by gilberto on Jun 12, 2015 10:55:25 GMT
I did like the Cocteau Twins, saw them on a snowy Treasure Tour at Leeds Uni in about '85. Last Century. It's all gobbledigook. Blur and Verve came out of the Shoegazery and got straight into the BritPop nonsense. They may well have been media constructs, but still the kids adopted those labels. Quite like the new Blur album. Don't like MBV and Kevin Shields overblown production nonsense. Good call on the early Verve. This EP only came out in America but its got some great dreamy bits... Do you not like the pre-album MBV stuff? |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jun 12, 2015 11:22:44 GMT
With MBV I always think there are good tunes struggling against slowed down/speeded up tape loops and guff.
I prefer them as an idea rather than actually listening to them.
I bought 'Loveless' on tape when it came out and was convinced I'd got a dodgy/stretched copy.
It put me off them.
There is a MBV Primal Scream Remix of 'Swastika Eyes' or somesuch that I quite liked, I'll have to dig that out.
On the whole MBV are a 'no' from me.
{Never got that Wow stuff to you Mark. PM me an address and I'll get to it mate.}
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Post by GlennA on Jun 12, 2015 14:17:11 GMT
Loveless is one of the most overrated albums ever - definitely a touch of the Emperor's new clothes I think. Surprising it's so revered when there's so much better MBV stuff either side.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 7:51:40 GMT
Loveless is one of the most overrated albums ever - definitely a touch of the Emperor's new clothes I think. Surprising it's so revered when there's so much better MBV stuff either side. Amen to that. I'm with Cheeez on Kevin Shields flappy art-shite production ideas too. I like the way Steve Albini does it. No-one better. And i've been itching to drop this absolute belter in for weeks somewhere appropriate. Genius. Genius. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 14, 2015 8:20:45 GMT
That's just a girl, old enough to know better, singing Incy Wincy Spider slowly. Love how Hamburger both likes & dislikes this post. Make your b!%dy mind up! |
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Post by skip on Jun 14, 2015 22:41:31 GMT
Loveless is one of the most overrated albums ever - definitely a touch of the Emperor's new clothes I think. Surprising it's so revered when there's so much better MBV stuff either side. Touching the Emporor's cloth more like. I try to love it but it's a band down the rabbit hole. |
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