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Post by boothenboy75 on May 9, 2015 18:04:52 GMT
I think that you are trying to make todays unaffordable housing market out to be because people were allowed to but their council homes back in the 80's. Thats quite a leap, and I guess you're making it to fit your own political pint of view. The housing boom happened in the late 90's and early 2000's and was caused by the architects of the end of boom and bust, Blair & Brown. No political party since has attempted to correct the market as it would be political suicide. No party since has proposed a meaningingful policy on increasing the supply of affordable housing, why is anybodys guess, but if Labour had proposed something so meaningful perhaps a few more people would of voted for them. My point of view!?! How old are you, 25, either that or you have V selective memory. The hike in house prices started in the 80's & the reason more weren't built is because it's harder to build than sell. But there were huge programs set up by Labour to build mre affordable housing monevator.com/house-price-to-earnings-ratio-2012/Well heres some actual data, so lets have a look at it. Being nearly 40, I can actually read a graph, as I cleared education before Labour fucked it up and then introduced tuition fees. For me the most important data is the house price to earnings graph about half way down, sure house prices have always risen but so have wages. Now then the lowest (lower than all the way through the 1980's!) actual figure was in 1997 (wonder what happened in that year) and they rocketed right the way through until the financial crisis, which of course our government at the time had no control over. I'm struggling to see how todays unaffordable housing was due to people buying council houses in 1982, I'm sure you must have some actual evidence to back this up though?
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 9, 2015 18:08:43 GMT
I think that you are trying to make todays unaffordable housing market out to be because people were allowed to but their council homes back in the 80's. Thats quite a leap, and I guess you're making it to fit your own political pint of view. The housing boom happened in the late 90's and early 2000's and was caused by the architects of the end of boom and bust, Blair & Brown. No political party since has attempted to correct the market as it would be political suicide. No party since has proposed a meaningingful policy on increasing the supply of affordable housing, why is anybodys guess, but if Labour had proposed something so meaningful perhaps a few more people would of voted for them. My point of view!?! How old are you, 25, either that or you have V selective memory. The hike in house prices started in the 80's & the reason more weren't built is because it's harder to build than sell. But there were huge programs set up by Labour to build mre affordable housing Oh yes, all of these huge housing programmes set up by John fucking Prescott, I remember those. That thick fat twat is the one responsible for turning Hanley into Beirut. What a wonderul idea, demoilishing thousands of houses just before the financial crisis, without having any funding in place to replace them. And to think, Ted Miliband brought the useless oaf back as one of his special advisors. You really couldn't make it up.
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Post by bathstoke on May 9, 2015 18:31:35 GMT
Kettle, kettle, black, black.
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 9, 2015 18:56:57 GMT
Kettle, kettle, black, black. Ah now I understand, and can see how wrong I was. I stand corrected.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 19:25:47 GMT
Are you one of those rightwingers, like mcf and Northwich, who don't know the difference between the debt and deficit, yet are quite happy to blame the previous government for the financial hole the country is in!? I'm beginning to see where this Tory majority might have come from ??? Seems to me geoff was talking about the debt whereas you're wittering on about the deficit. The only one who seems confused is you. Of course the debt continues to grow as the deficit has not been eliminated. The debt has grown far faster over the past 5 years as the deficit has not been reduced quickly enough. Now, the more left wing amongst us can claim that reducing the deficit slowly over many lifetimes doesn't matter if they want to, but to then moan about the overall debt increasing makes them look rather stupid. Hopefully the deficit will finally be eliminated within this parliament, whereas the debt will certainly not be eliminated within my lifetime and probably not within any of my future grandchildrens lifetimes either. Which if I'm honest doesn't really seem very fair, but hey I prefer to pay for my own goods and services and not load the costs on to future generations. If you need any further help in explaining anything just let me know. No, I'm fine thanks, just wondered why you were going on about the deficit when geoff was clearly talking about the debt? But I think you've successfully dug yourself out of that one It's interesting that so many people want to give as a reason for not trusting Labour with the economy the "mess that they handed over last time", but are apparently quite happy that the deficit is still two thirds with us when it was apparently going to disappear under the Coalition and that the national debt has doubled, partly, as you rightly say, because the deficit has not been reduced anywhere near as quickly as promised! Yet they are quite happy to apparently trust the Conservatives with the economy. Bit odd if you ask me, I'd say it's indicative that both parties are basically held to ransom by and large by market forces, benign or otherwise, global or national, and react accordingly rather than being actually in control.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 0:02:26 GMT
The only one who seems confused is you. Of course the debt continues to grow as the deficit has not been eliminated. The debt has grown far faster over the past 5 years as the deficit has not been reduced quickly enough. Now, the more left wing amongst us can claim that reducing the deficit slowly over many lifetimes doesn't matter if they want to, but to then moan about the overall debt increasing makes them look rather stupid. Hopefully the deficit will finally be eliminated within this parliament, whereas the debt will certainly not be eliminated within my lifetime and probably not within any of my future grandchildrens lifetimes either. Which if I'm honest doesn't really seem very fair, but hey I prefer to pay for my own goods and services and not load the costs on to future generations. If you need any further help in explaining anything just let me know. No, I'm fine thanks, just wondered why you were going on about the deficit when geoff was clearly talking about the debt? But I think you've successfully dug yourself out of that one It's interesting that so many people want to give as a reason for not trusting Labour with the economy the "mess that they handed over last time", but are apparently quite happy that the deficit is still two thirds with us when it was apparently going to disappear under the Coalition and that the national debt has doubled, partly, as you rightly say, because the deficit has not been reduced anywhere near as quickly as promised! Yet they are quite happy to apparently trust the Conservatives with the economy. Bit odd if you ask me, I'd say it's indicative that both parties are basically held to ransom by and large by market forces, benign or otherwise, global or national, and react accordingly rather than being actually in control. Thank god I'm not an economist
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 0:05:57 GMT
My point of view!?! How old are you, 25, either that or you have V selective memory. The hike in house prices started in the 80's & the reason more weren't built is because it's harder to build than sell. But there were huge programs set up by Labour to build mre affordable housing Oh yes, all of these huge housing programmes set up by John fucking Prescott, I remember those. That thick fat twat is the one responsible for turning Hanley into Beirut. What a wonderul idea, demoilishing thousands of houses just before the financial crisis, without having any funding in place to replace them. And to think, Ted Miliband brought the useless oaf back as one of his special advisors. You really couldn't make it up. John Prescott .....Special advisor ? ....And Ed's wondering how he lost ?
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Post by bathstoke on May 11, 2015 7:33:42 GMT
Maybe if Labour can get Dan Jarvis as their man, he could appeal to white van/mondeo man So much for that then
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Post by edgepotter on May 11, 2015 12:46:00 GMT
The only one who seems confused is you. Of course the debt continues to grow as the deficit has not been eliminated. The debt has grown far faster over the past 5 years as the deficit has not been reduced quickly enough. Now, the more left wing amongst us can claim that reducing the deficit slowly over many lifetimes doesn't matter if they want to, but to then moan about the overall debt increasing makes them look rather stupid. Hopefully the deficit will finally be eliminated within this parliament, whereas the debt will certainly not be eliminated within my lifetime and probably not within any of my future grandchildrens lifetimes either. Which if I'm honest doesn't really seem very fair, but hey I prefer to pay for my own goods and services and not load the costs on to future generations. If you need any further help in explaining anything just let me know. No, I'm fine thanks, just wondered why you were going on about the deficit when geoff was clearly talking about the debt? But I think you've successfully dug yourself out of that one It's interesting that so many people want to give as a reason for not trusting Labour with the economy the "mess that they handed over last time", but are apparently quite happy that the deficit is still two thirds with us when it was apparently going to disappear under the Coalition and that the national debt has doubled, partly, as you rightly say, because the deficit has not been reduced anywhere near as quickly as promised! Yet they are quite happy to apparently trust the Conservatives with the economy. Bit odd if you ask me, I'd say it's indicative that both parties are basically held to ransom by and large by market forces, benign or otherwise, global or national, and react accordingly rather than being actually in control. Fantastic post.
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Post by stokeharry on May 11, 2015 16:03:51 GMT
Are you one of those rightwingers, like mcf and Northwich, who don't know the difference between the debt and deficit, yet are quite happy to blame the previous government for the financial hole the country is in!? I'm beginning to see where this Tory majority might have come from ??? Seems to me geoff was talking about the debt whereas you're wittering on about the deficit. The only one who seems confused is you. Of course the debt continues to grow as the deficit has not been eliminated. The debt has grown far faster over the past 5 years as the deficit has not been reduced quickly enough. Now, the more left wing amongst us can claim that reducing the deficit slowly over many lifetimes doesn't matter if they want to, but to then moan about the overall debt increasing makes them look rather stupid. Hopefully the deficit will finally be eliminated within this parliament, whereas the debt will certainly not be eliminated within my lifetime and probably not within any of my future grandchildrens lifetimes either. Which if I'm honest doesn't really seem very fair, but hey I prefer to pay for my own goods and services and not load the costs on to future generations. If you need any further help in explaining anything just let me know. Excellent post
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