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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 17:56:52 GMT
Ok so what about the section from the BBC article which you've conveniently ignored. I'm not sure how I've allowed this to happen but I seem to have ended up in dialogue with you! Seeing as you insist, I've read your BBC link, and even if we accept what the BBC is telling us is 100% accurate, with no details missing (a pretty big if, in my opinion), then your own link tells us that if the government have got their sums right (again a pretty big if in my opinion, then bills are 11% higher due to green policies. So even with all of these provisos, getting rid of these green taxes will save people money, which is just what UKIP have said. Even Russell Brand should be able to understand this. Personally I believe the BBC has a strong pro green bias and the costs of these green taxes are far higher. I think this gives a clearer picture, of the failure of our politicians vision for a proper energy policy for this country. www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11501235/No-one-is-talking-about-our-utterly-mad-energy-policy.htmlThere are some measures that aren't worth getting rid of because they save us money. And then there are some that aren't worth getting rid of because it would cost us more money than it would to keep them in place so I'm not convinced it's the best idea. Do any UKIP supporters think fracking is a good idea? I've noticed UKIP are saying its a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 17:59:13 GMT
I seen more intelligence on the bottom shelf of my fridge than I've seen in Brand .....
He's a shithouse.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 18:11:47 GMT
I seen more intelligence on the bottom shelf of my fridge than I've seen in Brand ..... He's a shithouse. Wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 18:59:17 GMT
Not interested in your opinions on Brand himself I want to know why he's got wrong on regarding UKIP.
He says that the UKIP policy of scrapping inheritance tax is a bad idea. Anyone care to put forward a counter argument?
He says that scrapping the top tax band is only for the benefit of the richest.
He says there is nothing in UKIP's policy that benefits the ordinary working class person.
I expected a wealth of knowledge from you UKIP supporters, seems strange that plenty of you are good at criticising the other parties but when it comes to defending UKIP you've got nothing to say. It's almost like some of you don't even know the other policies outside of immigration .......
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 4, 2015 19:42:52 GMT
Not interested in your opinions on Brand himself I want to know why he's got wrong on regarding UKIP. He says that the UKIP policy of scrapping inheritance tax is a bad idea. Anyone care to put forward a counter argument? He says that scrapping the top tax band is only for the benefit of the richest. He says there is nothing in UKIP's policy that benefits the ordinary working class person. I expected a wealth of knowledge from you UKIP supporters, seems strange that plenty of you are good at criticising the other parties but when it comes to defending UKIP you've got nothing to say. It's almost like some of you don't even know the other policies outside of immigration ....... Interesting that the preceding comments to yours are from 2 posters who complain about abuse yet seem quite happy to chuck it at Russell Brand. Hypocrites?
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 19:52:58 GMT
Not interested in your opinions on Brand himself I want to know why he's got wrong on regarding UKIP. He says that the UKIP policy of scrapping inheritance tax is a bad idea. Anyone care to put forward a counter argument? He says that scrapping the top tax band is only for the benefit of the richest. He says there is nothing in UKIP's policy that benefits the ordinary working class person. I expected a wealth of knowledge from you UKIP supporters, seems strange that plenty of you are good at criticising the other parties but when it comes to defending UKIP you've got nothing to say. It's almost like some of you don't even know the other policies outside of immigration ....... Interesting that the preceding comments to yours are from 2 posters who complain about abuse yet seem quite happy to chuck it at Russell Brand. Hypocrites? Most certainly.
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Post by partickpotter on May 4, 2015 20:02:06 GMT
Interesting that the preceding comments to yours are from 2 posters who complain about abuse yet seem quite happy to chuck it at Russell Brand. Hypocrites? Most certainly. Remember in Agent Harry's world a hypocrite is someone who he doesn't agree with.
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 20:03:05 GMT
Not interested in your opinions on Brand himself I want to know why he's got wrong on regarding UKIP. He says that the UKIP policy of scrapping inheritance tax is a bad idea. Anyone care to put forward a counter argument? He says that scrapping the top tax band is only for the benefit of the richest. He says there is nothing in UKIP's policy that benefits the ordinary working class person. I expected a wealth of knowledge from you UKIP supporters, seems strange that plenty of you are good at criticising the other parties but when it comes to defending UKIP you've got nothing to say. It's almost like some of you don't even know the other policies outside of immigration ....... Interesting that the preceding comments to yours are from 2 posters who complain about abuse yet seem quite happy to chuck it at Russell Brand. Hypocrites? Quite apt really Brand does not mind chucking abuse about on air ask Andrew Sachs and his family, disgusting left wing hypocrite if I may so Sir.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 4, 2015 20:23:56 GMT
Interesting that the preceding comments to yours are from 2 posters who complain about abuse yet seem quite happy to chuck it at Russell Brand. Hypocrites? Quite apt really Brand does not mind chucking abuse about on air ask Andrew Sachs and his family, disgusting left wing hypocrite if I may so Sir. So you agree that your friends on this thread are too? Excellent.
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 20:26:39 GMT
Quite apt really Brand does not mind chucking abuse about on air ask Andrew Sachs and his family, disgusting left wing hypocrite if I may so Sir. So you agree that your friends on this thread are too? Excellent. Oh dear Sir not your best effort must try harder next term
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 4, 2015 20:28:32 GMT
So you agree that your friends on this thread are too? Excellent. Oh dear Sir not your best effort must try harder next term Well if Brand is then by your "logic" so must your pals on here too? Or can you tell me why not?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 20:39:14 GMT
Oh dear Sir not your best effort must try harder next term Well if Brand is then by your "logic" so must your pals on here too? Or can you tell me why not? Interesting to see you always call groups of posters that disagree with you as "pals" Could it not be that a group of people disagree with your thoughts without being in some sort of friendicate ?
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 21:03:59 GMT
Well if Brand is then by your "logic" so must your pals on here too? Or can you tell me why not? Interesting to see you always call groups of posters that disagree with you as "pals" Could it not be that a group of people disagree with your thoughts without being in some sort of friendicate ? Pals is that a school teacher term or ex school teacher term per say.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 21:56:03 GMT
Remember in Agent Harry's world a hypocrite is someone who he doesn't agree with. Nair. In agents Harry's world aka the real world you are a hypocrite. Not quite as blatant as huddy but still a hypocrite . You fit the official definition of the word down to the letter Mr angry
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 21:56:59 GMT
Remember in Agent Harry's world a hypocrite is someone who he doesn't agree with. Yeah and remember Harry's rule, he's open minded, tolerant and open to reasoned debate unless you show him disrespect. Quite what disrespect Brand has shown him I'm not sure.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 21:58:21 GMT
Interesting to see you always call groups of posters that disagree with you as "pals" Could it not be that a group of people disagree with your thoughts without being in some sort of friendicate ? Pals is that a school teacher term or ex school teacher term per say. It's his mental issues . I think he suffers from a form of paranoid schizophrenia.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 22:01:59 GMT
Remember in Agent Harry's world a hypocrite is someone who he doesn't agree with. Yeah and remember Harry's rule, he's open minded, tolerant and open to reasoned debate unless you show him disrespect. Quite what disrespect Brand has shown him I'm not sure. And in your world - we'll call you agent troll from now on. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong I'm open minded , tolerant and open to reasoned debate and if Brand wants to debate with me in a likewise manner ill be happy to reciprocate . Doesn't mean I don't think he's a prick that's full of shit though I'd ask for your permission to dislike him but I don't need it
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 22:07:02 GMT
Yeah and remember Harry's rule, he's open minded, tolerant and open to reasoned debate unless you show him disrespect. Quite what disrespect Brand has shown him I'm not sure. And it your word - we'll call you agent troll from now on. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong I'm open minded , tolerant and open to reasoned debate and if Brand wants to debate with me in a likewise manner ill be happy to reciprocate . Doesn't mean I don't think he's a prick that's full of shit though I'd ask for your permission to dislike him but I don't need it It's not anyone who disagrees with me Harry, I've got no problem with people disagreeing me if they've got an intelligent, reasoned counter argument that they can back up with evidence and you (and one or two others) consistently fail in this regard.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 22:17:32 GMT
And it your word - we'll call you agent troll from now on. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong I'm open minded , tolerant and open to reasoned debate and if Brand wants to debate with me in a likewise manner ill be happy to reciprocate . Doesn't mean I don't think he's a prick that's full of shit though I'd ask for your permission to dislike him but I don't need it It's not anyone who disagrees with me Harry, I've got no problem with people disagreeing me if they've got an intelligent, reasoned counter argument that they can back up with evidence and you (and one or two others) consistently fail in this regard. And that's exactly how I feel towards you
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 22:29:16 GMT
It's not anyone who disagrees with me Harry, I've got no problem with people disagreeing me if they've got an intelligent, reasoned counter argument that they can back up with evidence and you (and one or two others) consistently fail in this regard. And that's exactly how I feel towards you Well you would wouldn't you. You're the guy that thinks that one blog from a former member of the Green Party is proof that anti-semitism is rife in the Green Party you say it must be true because he used to be in the party so he would know. And yet there are countless blogs and articles you can find online from women who follow Islam that tell you that the segregation has nothing to do with inequality. But no despite one blog being enough for you to convict the Greens of anti-semitism, the many blogs/articles from those women who follow Islam isn't enough to convince you that segregation in Islam isn't anything to do with inequality. Hypocrite.
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Post by stokewombat on May 4, 2015 22:37:10 GMT
I'm surprised how many intelligent people are supporting UKIP.
It's a party of utter nonsense, created by the rich to support the interests of a rich minority - whilst throwing in a few dumb policies that are likely to appeal to the knee-jerk, nodding dog, Joe Public.
I'm surprised they haven't said they'll bring back capital punishment.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 22:54:44 GMT
And that's exactly how I feel towards you Well you would wouldn't you. You're the guy that thinks that one blog from a former member of the Green Party is proof that anti-semitism is rife in the Green Party you say it must be true because he used to be in the party so he would know. And yet there are countless blogs and articles you can find online from women who follow Islam that tell you that the segregation has nothing to do with inequality. But no despite one blog being enough for you to convict the Greens of anti-semitism, the many blogs/articles from those women who follow Islam isn't enough to convince you that segregation in Islam isn't anything to do with inequality. Hypocrite. Ye I would. You are the guy that thinks people that don't agree with him are hypocrites when in reality you are nothing but a cyber geek that thinks he is more important than he actually is. You aren't clever . You haven't won any arguments. You haven't provided any evidence of anything and you are wrong Toby green is an ex Green party member that left the party due to anti semitism within its ranks but you can't deal with this and you make excuses because it doesn't suit your dirty little agenda. I could sit here proving you wrong all night and I could provide evidence of everything but what's the point. Women do not have equality in Islam. You only twist people's words and only tell half truths anyway. You would swear that day is night and red is blue if it suited your arguments. You are a hypocrite and nothing you say will alter my opinion
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 22:57:40 GMT
You don't have to like UKIP to vote for them, you just have to be sick of the Tories and Labour.
54 years old and the last decent leader of this country was Harold Wilson.
Time to make both main parties realise just how sick of thier lies we are.
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Post by partickpotter on May 5, 2015 6:04:47 GMT
Remember in Agent Harry's world a hypocrite is someone who he doesn't agree with. Yeah and remember Harry's rule, he's open minded, tolerant and open to reasoned debate unless you show him disrespect. Quite what disrespect Brand has shown him I'm not sure. It's rather simple, as are all things in Agent Harry's purple world; you disrespect Agent Harry when you disagree with him.
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 5, 2015 6:26:24 GMT
I'm surprised how many intelligent people are supporting UKIP. It's a party of utter nonsense, created by the rich to support the interests of a rich minority - whilst throwing in a few dumb policies that are likely to appeal to the knee-jerk, nodding dog, Joe Public. I'm surprised they haven't said they'll bring back capital punishment. I wish somebody would. That sick bastard who raped a 1 day old baby should be 1st in line.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 6:37:48 GMT
I'd like to see a few terrorists killed along with those planning terrorism .
The more we can kill the better . Age should be no barrier eithe....bullet to the brain . Good bye .
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Post by followyoudown on May 5, 2015 7:01:29 GMT
Well you would wouldn't you. You're the guy that thinks that one blog from a former member of the Green Party is proof that anti-semitism is rife in the Green Party you say it must be true because he used to be in the party so he would know. And yet there are countless blogs and articles you can find online from women who follow Islam that tell you that the segregation has nothing to do with inequality. But no despite one blog being enough for you to convict the Greens of anti-semitism, the many blogs/articles from those women who follow Islam isn't enough to convince you that segregation in Islam isn't anything to do with inequality. Hypocrite. Ye I would. You are the guy that thinks people that don't agree with him are hypocrites when in reality you are nothing but a cyber geek that thinks he is more important than he actually is. You aren't clever . You haven't won any arguments. You haven't provided any evidence of anything and you are wrong Toby green is an ex Green party member that left the party due to anti semitism within its ranks but you can't deal with this and you make excuses because it doesn't suit your dirty little agenda. I could sit here proving you wrong all night and I could provide evidence of everything but what's the point. Women do not have equality in Islam. You only twist people's words and only tell half truths anyway. You would swear that day is night and red is blue if it suited your arguments. You are a hypocrite and nothing you say will alter my opinion In your hierarchy of hypocrisy, than a sitting MEP www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2925004/Amjad-Bashir-defected-UKIP-racists.html and a former youth spokesman www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10828481/British-Asian-Ukip-youth-leader-quits-racist-and-terrifying-Ukip.html both saying UKIP are racist in national newspapers must be absolute gospel if you take the word of a former member of the greens in a blog It also seems UKIP are a bit homophobic www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-youth-leader-olly-neville-sacked-for-supporting-gay-marriage-8444330.htmlThe leader of the constiuency party Nige is representing has an interesting past too although he claims the National Front was a bit of a social club www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-thanet-south-chairman-martyn-heale-says-he-obviously-regrets-time-as-farright-national-front-party-member-9945527.htmlAnyway I look forward to your usual well reasoned balance response, no need to mention the fact I'm a dunce or a hypocrite I'm well aware of this Be good if you could deal with why you believe a former green party member but will undoubtedly ignore these two former UKIP members in less than five pages
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Post by edgepotter on May 5, 2015 7:58:26 GMT
Well you would wouldn't you. You're the guy that thinks that one blog from a former member of the Green Party is proof that anti-semitism is rife in the Green Party you say it must be true because he used to be in the party so he would know. And yet there are countless blogs and articles you can find online from women who follow Islam that tell you that the segregation has nothing to do with inequality. But no despite one blog being enough for you to convict the Greens of anti-semitism, the many blogs/articles from those women who follow Islam isn't enough to convince you that segregation in Islam isn't anything to do with inequality. Hypocrite. Ye I would. You are the guy that thinks people that don't agree with him are hypocrites when in reality you are nothing but a cyber geek that thinks he is more important than he actually is. You aren't clever . You haven't won any arguments. You haven't provided any evidence of anything and you are wrong Toby green is an ex Green party member that left the party due to anti semitism within its ranks but you can't deal with this and you make excuses because it doesn't suit your dirty little agenda. I could sit here proving you wrong all night and I could provide evidence of everything but what's the point. Women do not have equality in Islam. You only twist people's words and only tell half truths anyway. You would swear that day is night and red is blue if it suited your arguments. You are a hypocrite and nothing you say will alter my opinion Whenever I've got involved in a debate, I always where possible to ask for the evidence to back up an opinion that I disagree with and more often than not no evidence can be produced. There's no point having an opinion if, when questionned, you cannot successfully defend your position with facts/evidence. This is something you seem to have particular trouble with. If you can find me any evidence of where I've twisted anyones words I'm happy to discuss this with you. Good luck finding it. Funnily enough though to further prove you're a masive hypocrite lets look at something you said above. "Women do not have equality in Islam."That isn't what we were debating and you know it wasn't. You were going on a moral crusade to ensure that the men and women of Islam don't sit segregated at meetings preaching how wrong it is and that its due to inequality. I was arguing that the segregation of men and women in Islam has nothing to do with inequality, and that you can find countless blog/articles/discussions online where followers of Islam make this point pretty clear. You think you're clever by framing the argument in a different way but what you do is very transparent and you're not fooling anyone. And finally go ahead and find me any evidence in any debate I've had where I've been a hypocrite. Again good luck finding it
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 8:20:59 GMT
I'm surprised how many intelligent people are supporting UKIP. It's a party of utter nonsense, created by the rich to support the interests of a rich minority - whilst throwing in a few dumb policies that are likely to appeal to the knee-jerk, nodding dog, Joe Public. I'm surprised they haven't said they'll bring back capital punishment. I'm surprised so many people who think they are more intelligent than ukip voters keep voting for more of the same Lab/Con every 5 year........you couldn't make it up......what does it take to learn your lessons ukips policies have been fully costed and verified by an independant body.....unlike tory and labour's magic money and the majority of UKIp's policies are liked by by far more than just ukipers. you just go ahead and throw in capital punishment .....why not throw in killing disabled babies too
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Post by stokeharry on May 5, 2015 8:47:24 GMT
Ye I would. You are the guy that thinks people that don't agree with him are hypocrites when in reality you are nothing but a cyber geek that thinks he is more important than he actually is. You aren't clever . You haven't won any arguments. You haven't provided any evidence of anything and you are wrong Toby green is an ex Green party member that left the party due to anti semitism within its ranks but you can't deal with this and you make excuses because it doesn't suit your dirty little agenda. I could sit here proving you wrong all night and I could provide evidence of everything but what's the point. Women do not have equality in Islam. You only twist people's words and only tell half truths anyway. You would swear that day is night and red is blue if it suited your arguments. You are a hypocrite and nothing you say will alter my opinion Whenever I've got involved in a debate, I always where possible to ask for the evidence to back up an opinion that I disagree with and more often than not no evidence can be produced. There's no point having an opinion if, when questionned, you cannot successfully defend your position with facts/evidence. This is something you seem to have particular trouble with. If you can find me any evidence of where I've twisted anyones words I'm happy to discuss this with you. Good luck finding it. Funnily enough though to further prove you're a masive hypocrite lets look at something you said above. "Women do not have equality in Islam."That isn't what we were debating and you know it wasn't. You were going on a moral crusade to ensure that the men and women of Islam don't sit segregated at meetings preaching how wrong it is and that its due to inequality. I was arguing that the segregation of men and women in Islam has nothing to do with inequality, and that you can find countless blog/articles/discussions online where followers of Islam make this point pretty clear. You think you're clever by framing the argument in a different way but what you do is very transparent and you're not fooling anyone. And finally go ahead and find me any evidence in any debate I've had where I've been a hypocrite. Again good luck finding it Nah. I'm right you are wrong. You provide no evidence of anything. At best you provide biased nonsense from the media. Toby Green is a former member of the Green Party that left due to anti semitism but that doesn't suit your agenda. You ask for 'evidence' for obvious things. It's like me asking for evidence that oxygen exists. The evidence is there if you can be bothered to look for it. There is no way I'm sitting there trawling through the internet to find evidence just for you and your left wing cronies to back track, twist what has been said and make excuses which is what you constantly do. You that by going round in circles that that some how proves your point. It doesn't. Women are not treated equally in Islam You have lost this argument
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