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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 15:11:35 GMT
Thoughts on this? I know none of you will like Brand but I'm genuinely interested to hear your responses to the issues raised in this video.
I'm looking for a reasoned, decent counter argument to his points.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:28:32 GMT
You know exactly the kind of response that this is likely to provoke .....I suspect that's why you have posted it
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:29:35 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 4, 2015 15:30:04 GMT
Mr 'don't vote' has said everyone vote Labour and then start the revolution!
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 15:50:55 GMT
You know exactly the kind of response that this is likely to provoke .....I suspect that's why you have posted it He summarises the thoughts of those who don't support UKIP and he makes some interesting points, like how are UKIP going to reduce energy bills?. I want the counter arguments to his points.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 15:52:20 GMT
Come on Fraise, step up to the plate.
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Post by slpmarc on May 4, 2015 15:57:43 GMT
You know exactly the kind of response that this is likely to provoke .....I suspect that's why you have posted it He summarises the thoughts of those who don't support UKIP and he makes some interesting points, like how are UKIP going to reduce energy bills?. I want the counter arguments to his points. How are any of the other parties going to reduce energy bills.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 16:04:39 GMT
He summarises the thoughts of those who don't support UKIP and he makes some interesting points, like how are UKIP going to reduce energy bills?. I want the counter arguments to his points. How are any of the other parties going to reduce energy bills. The UKIP political party broadcast that Brand comments on refers to two things, a pledge to reduce energy bills and, of course, immigration. For them to include these in the broadcast they obviously feel these are the policies that separate them from the other parties. So, how are UKIP going to reduce energy bills?
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Post by desman2 on May 4, 2015 16:28:24 GMT
How are any of the other parties going to reduce energy bills. The UKIP political party broadcast that Brand comments on refers to two things, a pledge to reduce energy bills and, of course, immigration. For them to include these in the broadcast they obviously feel these are the policies that separate them from the other parties. So, how are UKIP going to reduce energy bills? By removing the so called green tax which was stuck on your ever increasing bill.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 16:33:24 GMT
You know exactly the kind of response that this is likely to provoke .....I suspect that's why you have posted it It's called trolling mate. I hope no one bites lol
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 16:34:15 GMT
Your bait is to common, must try harder Trosky.
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Post by Gods on May 4, 2015 16:39:24 GMT
The UKIP political party broadcast that Brand comments on refers to two things, a pledge to reduce energy bills and, of course, immigration. For them to include these in the broadcast they obviously feel these are the policies that separate them from the other parties. So, how are UKIP going to reduce energy bills? By removing the so called green tax which was stuck on your ever increasing bill. Exactly that. The Department of Energy and Climate Change says there are seven green taxes that put £112 on the average energy bill in, making up just under a tenth of the total. You can argue about whether they are a good thing or not but that is the policy of UKIP.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 16:40:44 GMT
Your bait is to common, must try harder Trosky. I think he thinks that he's going to persuade someone from not voting UKIP - He is wrong Immigration and Europe are important issues for me and I fully agree with UKIP'S stance on these points and there fore they have my vote . No amount of posting videos by a comedian will alter that fact
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 16:41:40 GMT
You know exactly the kind of response that this is likely to provoke .....I suspect that's why you have posted it It's called trolling mate. I hope no one bites lol You mean you don't want to use this platform to put forward reasons why people should be voting UKIP, and countering the arguments made by the left?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 16:46:04 GMT
You know exactly the kind of response that this is likely to provoke .....I suspect that's why you have posted it It's called trolling mate. I hope no one bites lol Surely not ?
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Post by Gods on May 4, 2015 16:49:07 GMT
Here is the peoples champion sticking it to the elite rich and plotting the revolution.
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Post by partickpotter on May 4, 2015 16:52:55 GMT
By removing the so called green tax which was stuck on your ever increasing bill. Exactly that. The Department of Energy and Climate Change says there are seven green taxes that put £112 on the average energy bill in, making up just under a tenth of the total. You can argue about whether they are a good thing or not but that is the policy of UKIP. I really can't be arsed with Russell Brand. Now - he is a hypocrite. Desman is spot on. UKIP say in their manifesto they will reduce fuel bills by removing green taxes. Now, you'd have thought Brand who has clearly done lots of research (I know that because he keeps waving his A4 sheets of research about) he might have discovered that. Took me about 2 seconds on Google. You might disagree that the sums don't add up. But to assert, as Bland does, that they don't explain how they will do it is just plain wrong. His comments on the economy are just puerile. Tax the rich. Blame the banks... Champagne socialist. Idiot.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 16:54:54 GMT
It's called trolling mate. I hope no one bites lol You mean you don't want to use this platform to put forward reasons why people should be voting UKIP, and countering the arguments made by the left? Not really no I'm voting UKIP regardless and nothing you or I say will alter anyone's mind with regards to anything so why bother. This thread will only end up the same way as all the others anyway. Point scoring, the left twisting people's words. Not answering questions put to them. Backtracking. Assuming the moral high ground. Taking things out of context etc. When alls been said and done this is only a footy message board. Your anti British crusade will go unnoticed and you will not affect the outcome of the election in anyway shape or form It's attention seeking and nothing else
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 16:57:12 GMT
I thought you'd all jump at the chance to say why Brand and those who don't support UKIP are wrong. Brand may be a comdedian but he's making serious political points as to why people shouldn't vote UKIP.
I'm expecting you to tell me why's he wrong and why people like me should be voting UKIP.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 16:58:45 GMT
By removing the so called green tax which was stuck on your ever increasing bill. Exactly that. The Department of Energy and Climate Change says there are seven green taxes that put £112 on the average energy bill in, making up just under a tenth of the total. You can argue about whether they are a good thing or not but that is the policy of UKIP. Oh right the green tax The total green tax revenues for 2013 are the equivalent of £1,629 for every household - up from £1,564 in 2012 and £1,221 per household in 2003.
However, the ONS said that the majority of the bill was paid by businesses, not domestic consumers. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/10942185/UK-green-taxes-hit-record-high-of-43-billion.htmland also 'So people talk about green levies, but there are in fact lots of different things introduced over the past decade and a half. Some cost people money, some save people money and some do both for different groups of people. It wouldn't therefore be easy to repeal all of them at all (many, like the Green Deal are halfway through their operation and would presumably cost more to get rid of it in the short term than it would to keep longer term).'www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24646527So they are going to save us money by costing us money?
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 4, 2015 16:59:03 GMT
I thought you'd all jump at the chance to say why Brand and those who don't support UKIP are wrong. Brand may be a comdedian but he's making serious political points as to why people shouldn't vote UKIP. I'm expecting you to tell me why's he wrong and why people like me should be voting UKIP. I don't think you are a target UKIP voter mate.
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 4, 2015 17:00:39 GMT
Exactly that. The Department of Energy and Climate Change says there are seven green taxes that put £112 on the average energy bill in, making up just under a tenth of the total. You can argue about whether they are a good thing or not but that is the policy of UKIP. Oh right the green tax The total green tax revenues for 2013 are the equivalent of £1,629 for every household - up from £1,564 in 2012 and £1,221 per household in 2003.
However, the ONS said that the majority of the bill was paid by businesses, not domestic consumers. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/10942185/UK-green-taxes-hit-record-high-of-43-billion.htmland also 'So people talk about green levies, but there are in fact lots of different things introduced over the past decade and a half. Some cost people money, some save people money and some do both for different groups of people. It wouldn't therefore be easy to repeal all of them at all (many, like the Green Deal are halfway through their operation and would presumably cost more to get rid of it in the short term than it would to keep longer term).'www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24646527So they are going to save us money by costing us money? Ha ha your best yet. Businesses just pay this green tax do they, and not pass it on to us in any way. How very generous of them.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 17:02:29 GMT
I thought you'd all jump at the chance to say why Brand and those who don't support UKIP are wrong. Brand may be a comdedian but he's making serious political points as to why people shouldn't vote UKIP. I'm expecting you to tell me why's he wrong and why people like me should be voting UKIP. I don't think you are a target UKIP voter mate. You don't know that, I don't agree on immigration but I'm told that UKIP aren't a one policy party so I want to know what you lot think about UKIP and the reasons that you'll be voting for them (other than immigration).
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 17:03:41 GMT
Oh right the green tax The total green tax revenues for 2013 are the equivalent of £1,629 for every household - up from £1,564 in 2012 and £1,221 per household in 2003.
However, the ONS said that the majority of the bill was paid by businesses, not domestic consumers. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/10942185/UK-green-taxes-hit-record-high-of-43-billion.htmland also 'So people talk about green levies, but there are in fact lots of different things introduced over the past decade and a half. Some cost people money, some save people money and some do both for different groups of people. It wouldn't therefore be easy to repeal all of them at all (many, like the Green Deal are halfway through their operation and would presumably cost more to get rid of it in the short term than it would to keep longer term).'www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24646527So they are going to save us money by costing us money? Ha ha your best yet. Businesses just pay this green tax do they, and not pass it on to us in any way. How very generous of them. Ok so what about the section from the BBC article which you've conveniently ignored.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 17:07:44 GMT
link scroll down to page 4
Also, I've just noticed Labour have come up with temporary freezing of energy bills and more insulating homes
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 4, 2015 17:10:45 GMT
Ha ha your best yet. Businesses just pay this green tax do they, and not pass it on to us in any way. How very generous of them. Ok so what about the section from the BBC article which you've conveniently ignored. Lifes too short to look beyond anyones original link where they think businesses are picking up the tab for the green tax. If you think the green revolution has cost you nowt then I can only suggest you vote green, I think you'll fit in well with that bunch of loonies.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 17:20:37 GMT
Ok so what about the section from the BBC article which you've conveniently ignored. Lifes too short to look beyond anyones original link where they think businesses are picking up the tab for the green tax. If you think the green revolution has cost you nowt then I can only suggest you vote green, I think you'll fit in well with that bunch of loonies. Oh right just conveniently ignore a crucial part of the counter argument that you've clearly got no decent response to because after all, life's too short.
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 4, 2015 17:38:22 GMT
Ha ha your best yet. Businesses just pay this green tax do they, and not pass it on to us in any way. How very generous of them. Ok so what about the section from the BBC article which you've conveniently ignored. I'm not sure how I've allowed this to happen but I seem to have ended up in dialogue with you! Seeing as you insist, I've read your BBC link, and even if we accept what the BBC is telling us is 100% accurate, with no details missing (a pretty big if, in my opinion), then your own link tells us that if the government have got their sums right (again a pretty big if in my opinion, then bills are 11% higher due to green policies. So even with all of these provisos, getting rid of these green taxes will save people money, which is just what UKIP have said. Even Russell Brand should be able to understand this. Personally I believe the BBC has a strong pro green bias and the costs of these green taxes are far higher. I think this gives a clearer picture, of the failure of our politicians vision for a proper energy policy for this country. www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11501235/No-one-is-talking-about-our-utterly-mad-energy-policy.html
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Post by kbillyh on May 4, 2015 17:44:52 GMT
No, see. UKIP are the answer.
Vote UKIP!!!
They are nothing like Tories in disguise, they are the answer to everything ever. As for that Brand character, never trust any fucker with a beard.
Can i be in your gang now please?
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Post by partickpotter on May 4, 2015 17:55:06 GMT
No, see. UKIP are the answer. Vote UKIP!!! They are nothing like Tories in disguise, they are the answer to everything ever. As for that Brand character, never trust any fucker with a beard. Can i be in your gang now please? Jesus had a beard.
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