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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 17:14:51 GMT
Show me some facts? Do you know why men and women are segregated in Islam? The facts are all around you Women aren't treated equally in Islam - Fact Do you know why men and women are segregated in Islam?
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 17:30:55 GMT
The facts are all around you Women aren't treated equally in Islam - Fact Do you know why men and women are segregated in Islam? So men don't get stonk ons from looking at the women's shapely form. Lust and all that . Not to mention the fact that women are treated as 2nd class citizens in Islam No doubt you'll respond by saying it's because men respect the women or some other kind of bollox. You can interpret it how you want mate. Truth is I don't care what reasons they give. I dont care what excuses they use. Racial segregation is wrong and so is gender segregation. Neither have any place in my country in 2015
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 17:32:21 GMT
They would have a choice, they could choose to just remain sitting where they are. They could also choose to come to the next meeting and do it again. You can't enforce it. You're clearly on some sort of wind up. If you think that government and responsible communities can do nothing to combat segregation then you're clearly nuts. It's a good job the world ignored your frankly strange views in South Africa. +1
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 18:09:37 GMT
The facts are all around you Women aren't treated equally in Islam - Fact Do you know why men and women are segregated in Islam? Is it to stop them from breeding ?
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 18:36:56 GMT
Do you know why men and women are segregated in Islam? So men don't get stonk ons from looking at the women's shapely form. Lust and all that . Not to mention the fact that women are treated as 2nd class citizens in Islam No doubt you'll respond by saying it's because men respect the women or some other kind of bollox. You can interpret it how you want mate. Truth is I don't care what reasons they give. I dont care what excuses they use. Racial segregation is wrong and so is gender segregation. Neither have any place in my country in 2015 Male and female segregation is accepted in their culture, they don't view it the way that you or I do. For them it's nothing to do with inequality despite it being how we percieve it. If you know any Islamic women ask them if it's because they are seen as 2nd class citizens and they'll tell you they don't feel that way. There's plenty of information about it online too.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 18:39:31 GMT
There's not many down the marshes to be honest ....although there are plenty of Gypsies shitting 'Al Fresco' at the moment . The dogs love to roll in it too , which really fucking winds me up .
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 19:43:05 GMT
So men don't get stonk ons from looking at the women's shapely form. Lust and all that . Not to mention the fact that women are treated as 2nd class citizens in Islam No doubt you'll respond by saying it's because men respect the women or some other kind of bollox. You can interpret it how you want mate. Truth is I don't care what reasons they give. I dont care what excuses they use. Racial segregation is wrong and so is gender segregation. Neither have any place in my country in 2015 Male and female segregation is accepted in their culture, they don't view it the way that you or I do. For them it's nothing to do with inequality despite it being how we percieve it. If you know any Islamic women ask them if it's because they are seen as 2nd class citizens and they'll tell you they don't feel that way. There's plenty of information about it online too. I don't agree mate but fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I stand by what I say when I say Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens . Women aren't treated equally in Islam
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 4, 2015 20:27:11 GMT
Male and female segregation is accepted in their culture, they don't view it the way that you or I do. For them it's nothing to do with inequality despite it being how we percieve it. If you know any Islamic women ask them if it's because they are seen as 2nd class citizens and they'll tell you they don't feel that way. There's plenty of information about it online too. I don't agree mate but fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I stand by what I say when I say Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens . Women aren't treated equally in Islam And they are in the Catholic and C of E faiths are they?
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Post by partickpotter on May 4, 2015 20:46:08 GMT
I don't agree mate but fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I stand by what I say when I say Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens . Women aren't treated equally in Islam And they are in the Catholic and C of E faiths are they? You've touched on an important distinction here. There are of course similarities with how the Western religions and Islam treat women and homosexuals. The point though is Western society and culture is secular meaning our laws are not determined by clergy. The same is not true of the Arab world which is defined by religion - its just a question of what strain of Islam is being followed. This is why the treatment of women in Islam is of more consequence in the Arab world than how the Church treats them in the West. Women's rights here are determined by law. I'm not a fan of religion, but if it floats your boat fair enough. Just as long as what you do is legal. The practice shown in the photo doesn't appeal to me, but I'm not really bothered about it. Where I'd have a concern is, as mumf says, someone tried to form a religious party to enter politics. I'd ban that. Religion has no place in secular politics.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 20:50:59 GMT
I don't agree mate but fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I stand by what I say when I say Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens . Women aren't treated equally in Islam And they are in the Catholic and C of E faiths are they? More so than in Islam yea. Christianity allows females to be vicars and hold high positions of power within the church. Since the middle ages Christianity as moved with the times in a lot of ways. It's attitude towards gays, women etc is much more modern . Islam is still stuck in the dark ages. Comparing modern Christianity to Islam is ridiculous as you well know but don't let that get in the way of your petty anti Western agenda
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 21:59:41 GMT
And they are in the Catholic and C of E faiths are they? You've touched on an important distinction here. There are of course similarities with how the Western religions and Islam treat women and homosexuals. The point though is Western society and culture is secular meaning our laws are not determined by clergy. The same is not true of the Arab world which is defined by religion - its just a question of what strain of Islam is being followed. This is why the treatment of women in Islam is of more consequence in the Arab world than how the Church treats them in the West. Women's rights here are determined by law. I'm not a fan of religion, but if it floats your boat fair enough. Just as long as what you do is legal. The practice shown in the photo doesn't appeal to me, but I'm not really bothered about it. Where I'd have a concern is, as mumf says, someone tried to form a religious party to enter politics. I'd ban that. Religion has no place in secular politics. Fully agree with you.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 22:03:19 GMT
And they are in the Catholic and C of E faiths are they? More so than in Islam yea. Christianity allows females to be vicars and hold high positions of power within the church. Since the middle ages Christianity as moved with the times in a lot of ways. It's attitude towards gays, women etc is much more modern . Islam is still stuck in the dark ages. Comparing modern Christianity to Islam is ridiculous as you well know but don't let that get in the way of your petty anti Western agenda Is Christianity's attitude to gays much more modern? Gays can't get married in a Christian church. The Catholic Church is also very much in the dark ages over contraception and abortion.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 22:05:28 GMT
More so than in Islam yea. Christianity allows females to be vicars and hold high positions of power within the church. Since the middle ages Christianity as moved with the times in a lot of ways. It's attitude towards gays, women etc is much more modern . Islam is still stuck in the dark ages. Comparing modern Christianity to Islam is ridiculous as you well know but don't let that get in the way of your petty anti Western agenda Is Christianity's attitude to gays much more modern? Gays can't get married in a Christian church. The Catholic Church is also very much in the dark ages over contraception and abortion. I disagree Christianity is much more tolerate and modern than Islam. Christianity is far from perfect but at least it's moved with the times alot more so than Islam
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 22:21:14 GMT
Is Christianity's attitude to gays much more modern? Gays can't get married in a Christian church. The Catholic Church is also very much in the dark ages over contraception and abortion. I disagree Christianity is much more tolerate and modern than Islam. Christianity is far from perfect but at least it's moved with the times alot more so than Islam The Catholic ban on condoms has allowed HIV/Aids to become much more widespread in Afruca than it should be. It's an absolute travesty that the Catholic Church still bans the use of contraception and in this regard it is still very much in the dark ages.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 22:23:52 GMT
More so than in Islam yea. Christianity allows females to be vicars and hold high positions of power within the church. Since the middle ages Christianity as moved with the times in a lot of ways. It's attitude towards gays, women etc is much more modern . Islam is still stuck in the dark ages. Comparing modern Christianity to Islam is ridiculous as you well know but don't let that get in the way of your petty anti Western agenda Is Christianity's attitude to gays much more modern? Gays can't get married in a Christian church. The Catholic Church is also very much in the dark ages over contraception and abortion. Punishable by death in Iran & fegg Hayes
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 22:26:17 GMT
I disagree Christianity is much more tolerate and modern than Islam. Christianity is far from perfect but at least it's moved with the times alot more so than Islam The Catholic ban on condoms has allowed HIV/Aids to become much more widespread in Afruca than it should be. It's an absolute travesty that the Catholic Church still bans the use of contraception and in this regard it is still very much in the dark ages. Why pick on just Catholics. The Christian religion is bigger than just Catholicism. As a whole Christianity is much more tolerant and modern and forward thinking than Islam. World's apart.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 22:36:24 GMT
The Catholic ban on condoms has allowed HIV/Aids to become much more widespread in Afruca than it should be. It's an absolute travesty that the Catholic Church still bans the use of contraception and in this regard it is still very much in the dark ages. Why pick on just Catholics. The Christian religion is bigger than just Catholicism. As a whole Christianity is much more tolerant and modern and forward thinking than Islam. World's apart. You do know that Catholics represent a much higher proportion of Christianity than any other group don't you?
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 22:58:03 GMT
Why pick on just Catholics. The Christian religion is bigger than just Catholicism. As a whole Christianity is much more tolerant and modern and forward thinking than Islam. World's apart. You do know that Catholics represent a much higher proportion of Christianity than any other group don't you? You do know that the Protestant church and the orthadox church and everything else in between is also Christian don't you. There isn't any point in trying to convince me of anything mate. I don't agree with you. We are world's apart Best agreeing to disagree
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Post by partickpotter on May 5, 2015 5:48:39 GMT
The Catholic ban on condoms has allowed HIV/Aids to become much more widespread in Afruca than it should be. It's an absolute travesty that the Catholic Church still bans the use of contraception and in this regard it is still very much in the dark ages. Why pick on just Catholics. The Christian religion is bigger than just Catholicism. As a whole Christianity is much more tolerant and modern and forward thinking than Islam. World's apart. Catholicism has certainly been exceptionally tolerant of paedophile priests.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 5, 2015 6:49:36 GMT
Why pick on just Catholics. The Christian religion is bigger than just Catholicism. As a whole Christianity is much more tolerant and modern and forward thinking than Islam. World's apart. Catholicism has certainly been exceptionally tolerant of paedophile priests. Correct, and let's not forget their tolerance of Hitler's anti-Semitism and Italian organised crime.
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Post by edgepotter on May 5, 2015 7:06:18 GMT
You do know that Catholics represent a much higher proportion of Christianity than any other group don't you? You do know that the Protestant church and the orthadox church and everything else in between is also Christian don't you. There isn't any point in trying to convince me of anything mate. I don't agree with you. We are world's apart Best agreeing to disagree Yes and that the number of Catholics is far higher than all of those other groups you've mentioned put together. You're trying to defend the indefensible.
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Post by crapslinger on May 5, 2015 7:24:00 GMT
Why pick on just Catholics. The Christian religion is bigger than just Catholicism. As a whole Christianity is much more tolerant and modern and forward thinking than Islam. World's apart. Catholicism has certainly been exceptionally tolerant of paedophile priests. Agreed as are others Ie. Muslim leaders, Labour Councils, BBC, Political Parties etc. no paedophile deserves tolerance they deserve to be exposed and dealt with as harshly as possible including the people covering these perverts up.
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Post by stokeharry on May 5, 2015 9:18:37 GMT
You do know that the Protestant church and the orthadox church and everything else in between is also Christian don't you. There isn't any point in trying to convince me of anything mate. I don't agree with you. We are world's apart Best agreeing to disagree Yes and that the number of Catholics is far higher than all of those other groups you've mentioned put together. You're trying to defend the indefensible. Catholicism doesn't define Christianity. You can not compare modern Christianity to Islam. Christianity is much more modern and tolerant. Islam is still in the dark ages. You are trying to compare something that can not be compared. You are wrong
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Post by stokeharry on May 5, 2015 9:21:17 GMT
Catholicism has certainly been exceptionally tolerant of paedophile priests. Agreed as are others Ie. Muslim leaders, Labour Councils, BBC, Political Parties etc. no paedophile deserves tolerance they deserve to be exposed and dealt with as harshly as possible including the people covering these perverts up. Agreed. But when you consider the prophet of Islam was a paedophile it's no wonder paedophilia is rife within Islam. Muhammed was a nonce
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Post by thevoid on May 5, 2015 16:12:10 GMT
I don't agree mate but fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I stand by what I say when I say Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens . Women aren't treated equally in Islam And they are in the Catholic and C of E faiths are they? I've yet to hear of Christian women having to cover up their faces and walk behind their husbands.
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Post by thevoid on May 5, 2015 16:14:52 GMT
Sorry, I missed the part of the article that says all the women chose to sit away from all the men. Of course they chose to do it, it's part of their culture. If they don't like that culture they've got the choice to leave Islam. It isn't part of our culture I'm afraid.
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Post by partickpotter on May 5, 2015 16:28:09 GMT
Of course they chose to do it, it's part of their culture. If they don't like that culture they've got the choice to leave Islam. It isn't part of our culture I'm afraid. Really? You'll do well to find a woman in this club,
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Post by stokeharry on May 5, 2015 17:18:41 GMT
Of course they chose to do it, it's part of their culture. If they don't like that culture they've got the choice to leave Islam. It isn't part of our culture I'm afraid. Correct And women that try to leave Islam often suffer horrific consequences including being disowned by their families and even honour killings...All in 21st century Britain as well :/
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Post by crapslinger on May 5, 2015 17:29:48 GMT
It isn't part of our culture I'm afraid. Really? You'll do well to find a woman in this club, Ah barking Boris and friends, is that David Cameron behind to the left(again) the one next to barking looks like Ed Miliband before some wag smashed him in the face with a cricket bat, are these the posh white boys that Abbott referred to in one of her less obvious racist statements.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 5, 2015 19:22:24 GMT
Agreed as are others Ie. Muslim leaders, Labour Councils, BBC, Political Parties etc. no paedophile deserves tolerance they deserve to be exposed and dealt with as harshly as possible including the people covering these perverts up. Agreed. But when you consider the prophet of Islam was a paedophile it's no wonder paedophilia is rife within Islam. Muhammed was a nonce Has anyone reported this filth?
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