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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 4, 2015 14:13:19 GMT
They would have no choice but to leave and if they turned up again you tell them to leave again. You arrange for the meeting to be held elsewhere and warn them that if they come they should abide by the rules . Simple as that. It's only as hard as you make it What are the rules? That a male must be sat next to a female? What if I've gone to the meeting with a few of the blokes from work? Can't we sit together?
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 14:13:32 GMT
Water cannons mate . Baton charge the fuckers. CS gas them and drag them outside. That's what you want me to say isn't it . Nair. What I'd do is I'd encourage them to mix the seating arrangements up. I'd explain that they are living in a modern western country and that their refusal to mix could be seen as backward thinking. If they were sensible and understanding this wouldn't be a problem for them. If it was a problem for them then that would be a problem for me . I aren't scared of them. I won't tip toe around them. Not at all If I walked into that hall I'd just want a seat, if a female Muslim walked into that hall she'd want a seat next to another female Muslim, it'd be second nature to both of us. It's not as if there was a bunch of 'bouncers' throwing all the women to one side & forcing them into a seat (or maybe there was, I don't know, I wasn't there.... If there was then that is obviously wrong, but if those women chose to sit where they did then it is fine) You can't keep saying how you are open-minded, welcoming, respectful of others etc in one breath, but then in the next say "Do exactly as I do in every single situation ever, otherwise you can fuck off". I'm not saying that though am I. You have twisted what I said to suit your argument. What I'm saying is, they can think what they want, do what they want, believe what they want and pray to who ever they want but the Labour party is meant to be for the nation as a whole not just for Muslims and as a nation we believe in equality and if they don't believe in equality then their opinions are at odds with modern Britain and that isn't acceptable.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 14:14:08 GMT
If you told them to leave, and they didn't what would you do then? Not have the meeting and re-arrange it for another time? What if you re-arranged it and the same people came and sat in the exact same arrangement. There's nothing you can possibly do to enforce it. They would have no choice but to leave and if they turned up again you tell them to leave again. You arrange for the meeting to be held elsewhere and warn them that if they come they should abide by the rules . Simple as that. It's only as hard as you make it They would have a choice, they could choose to just remain sitting where they are. They could also choose to come to the next meeting and do it again. You can't enforce it.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 14:16:36 GMT
They would have no choice but to leave and if they turned up again you tell them to leave again. You arrange for the meeting to be held elsewhere and warn them that if they come they should abide by the rules . Simple as that. It's only as hard as you make it What are the rules? That a male must be sat next to a female? What if I've gone to the meeting with a few of the blokes from work? Can't we sit together? Did you not read my post where I said it's not about men sitting next to women, that's not the point and you know it isn't. It's about segregation having no place in modern Britain. You can clearly see from the photo that the seating arrangements are based around gender lines. It's not a matter of sitting with a few of the blokes from work.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 14:18:05 GMT
They would have no choice but to leave and if they turned up again you tell them to leave again. You arrange for the meeting to be held elsewhere and warn them that if they come they should abide by the rules . Simple as that. It's only as hard as you make it They would have a choice, they could choose to just remain sitting where they are. They could also choose to come to the next meeting and do it again. You can't enforce it. They wouldn't have a choice and they could be made to stay away. It could be enforced
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 14:21:03 GMT
They would have a choice, they could choose to just remain sitting where they are. They could also choose to come to the next meeting and do it again. You can't enforce it. They wouldn't have a choice and they could be made to stay away. It could be enforced They have got a choice, what are you going to do have bouncers remove them?
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 14:22:26 GMT
I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's part of their culture. You can't stop them like you say you can. As you've said if they refuse and you tell them to stay away then what happens? The answer is that you alienate your Islamic followers and you get labelled anti-islamist and racist. So we lie down and bow to pressure? Even though we don't agree with it and even though it's not compatible with Britsh values we bend over and take it out of fear of being called racist? It might be how they do things but thats not my way and it isnt the British way. That's exactly the kind of attitude that stops sensible debate regarding important matters such as immigration. I aren't racist in the slightest but if people think I am that's their problem not mine but I won't be bullied into silence out of fear. As far as i'm concerned the choice is easy. Either fit in or fuck off bullseye, it is our country when in Rome do as the Romans do or as you quite rightly say fuck off.
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 14:24:37 GMT
No it wouldn't . That's your opinion and my opinion differs from yours It would be common sense. Nothing more nothing less Not giving Islam special treatment is not anti - islamic The definition of anti is a person who is opposed to a particular practice, party, policy, action, etc. It is anti-islamic because it goes against what they believe in, you are opposing their beliefs and therefore cannot be anything other than anti-islamic. Using your logic these people are anti-British etc.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 14:25:07 GMT
They wouldn't have a choice and they could be made to stay away. It could be enforced They have got a choice, what are you going to do have bouncers remove them? Yea why not. Or I wouldn't continue with the meeting or I'd cancel the meeting and re-arrange it and bar them from attending unless they accepted we don't believe in a segregated society. There are plenty of ways it could be enforced. It's not up to them. They don't get to call the shots
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 14:25:21 GMT
They would have no choice but to leave and if they turned up again you tell them to leave again. You arrange for the meeting to be held elsewhere and warn them that if they come they should abide by the rules . Simple as that. It's only as hard as you make it What are the rules? That a male must be sat next to a female? What if I've gone to the meeting with a few of the blokes from work? Can't we sit together? Is that how they do it in Russia comrade
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 14:26:09 GMT
The definition of anti is a person who is opposed to a particular practice, party, policy, action, etc. It is anti-islamic because it goes against what they believe in, you are opposing their beliefs and therefore cannot be anything other than anti-islamic. Using your logic these people are anti-British etc. Correct. But the same rules only apply when it suits the leftist agenda remember
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 14:26:19 GMT
They have got a choice, what are you going to do have bouncers remove them? Yea why not. Or I wouldn't continue with the meeting or I'd cancel the meeting and re-arrange it and bar them from attending unless they accepted we don't believe in a segregated society. There are plant of ways it could be enforced. It's not up to them. They don't get to call the shots Hold it in a public house.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 14:28:20 GMT
Yea why not. Or I wouldn't continue with the meeting or I'd cancel the meeting and re-arrange it and bar them from attending unless they accepted we don't believe in a segregated society. There are plant of ways it could be enforced. It's not up to them. They don't get to call the shots Hold it in a public house. There are plenty of ways mate. I'd make it very difficult and awkward for them if they wanted to be stubborn. Two can play that game. It's a matter of principle
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 14:29:46 GMT
Yea why not. Or I wouldn't continue with the meeting or I'd cancel the meeting and re-arrange it and bar them from attending unless they accepted we don't believe in a segregated society. There are plant of ways it could be enforced. It's not up to them. They don't get to call the shots Hold it in a public house. Ironically if you did this there would be uproar, it'd be all over the papers and you'd get kicked out of UKIP for being deemed to be racist. But crack on.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 14:33:18 GMT
Hold it in a public house. Ironically if you did this there would be uproar, it'd be all over the papers and you'd get kicked out of UKIP for being racist. But crack on. So once again we bow to pressure just in case we upset the untouchables. Fuck that. It's a good job our grandfathers generation wasn't so soft and passive or we'd all be speaking German now
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Post by jonah77 on May 4, 2015 15:32:48 GMT
I don't agree. The message should be "you are welcome at the rally but special treatment will not be given especially if it contradicts British values. You aren't special and we won't put your beliefs above ours . You aren't more important than us. We are the same . We believe in equality and if you don't agree you have two choices. Either accept it or if you can't accept it stay away" If you do that you will be anti-islamist. No you won't. You'll be treating every single person in this country exactly the same, regardless of religion, colour or sexuality. Isn't that what this country is all about?
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 15:44:55 GMT
If you do that you will be anti-islamist. No you won't. You'll be treating every single person in this country exactly the same, regardless of religion, colour or sexuality. Isn't that what this country is all about? They have a choice, they are choosing to sit segregated and more importantly ultimately they are in the same room listening to the same thing. If women were banned from attending such meetings that's when we'd have a problem.
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Post by jonah77 on May 4, 2015 15:52:52 GMT
No you won't. You'll be treating every single person in this country exactly the same, regardless of religion, colour or sexuality. Isn't that what this country is all about? They have a choice, they are choosing to sit segregated and more importantly ultimately they are in the same room listening to the same thing. If women were banned from attending such meetings that's when we'd have a problem. Sorry, I missed the part of the article that says all the women chose to sit away from all the men.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 15:55:40 GMT
They have a choice, they are choosing to sit segregated and more importantly ultimately they are in the same room listening to the same thing. If women were banned from attending such meetings that's when we'd have a problem. Sorry, I missed the part of the article that says all the women chose to sit away from all the men. Of course they chose to do it, it's part of their culture. If they don't like that culture they've got the choice to leave Islam.
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Post by jonah77 on May 4, 2015 16:00:35 GMT
Sorry, I missed the part of the article that says all the women chose to sit away from all the men. Of course they chose to do it, it's part of their culture. If they don't like that culture they've got the choice to leave Islam. Are you a WUM?
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 16:07:18 GMT
Of course they chose to do it, it's part of their culture. If they don't like that culture they've got the choice to leave Islam. Are you a WUM? Silly question.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 4, 2015 16:09:49 GMT
In this instance the Labour politicians should have explained that this was unacceptable - and if the audience refused to integrate then they should have walked out. How do you stop it more wildly? Where people sit is impossible to legislate for. But the wider behaviour can handled by a combination of legislation and making clear what is acceptable (like situations like this). What you're makes sense it really does, but there a few issues. - if they walk out then you've alienated them, and regardless of whether or not it's the right thing to do your party get's absolutely hammered for being anti-islamic, racist etc. It causes massive problems. - if they walk out they go and join another party. If all parties adopt the same stance then they just form their own party, this leads to a complete breakdown of social intergration and the country becomes even more fractured and divided than it already is. Now at this point you'll probably say something like what you've said just above; 'If you don't abide by them then you're not welcome here'The problem with this is they are British citizens, you can't just tell them to go elsewhere. If we make them feel unwelcome then this increases racial tensions in the country and we face a severe backlash from the rest of the Islamic world, far far worse than what we experience now. It's a very complex and sensitive issue. It is a complex and sensitive issue - but don't people need also to be sensitive to the culture of this country too? Take what you said and apply it to an audience where white people refuse to sit next to non-whites? If they walk out they'll be alienated? If all parties treat them the same they'll form they're own party? 'If you don't abide by them then you're not welcome here' - that applies to everyone though. We need tolerance but we need tolerance on both sides. Tolerance to understand that segregation is not acceptable. Don't get me wrong. I've got (and had over the years) a lot of Muslim friends. I find them a very generous and friendly group.
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Post by jonah77 on May 4, 2015 16:19:41 GMT
Not really. Do you really think it's that simple for a Muslim woman to just leave her religion?
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 16:22:36 GMT
What you're makes sense it really does, but there a few issues. - if they walk out then you've alienated them, and regardless of whether or not it's the right thing to do your party get's absolutely hammered for being anti-islamic, racist etc. It causes massive problems. - if they walk out they go and join another party. If all parties adopt the same stance then they just form their own party, this leads to a complete breakdown of social intergration and the country becomes even more fractured and divided than it already is. Now at this point you'll probably say something like what you've said just above; 'If you don't abide by them then you're not welcome here'The problem with this is they are British citizens, you can't just tell them to go elsewhere. If we make them feel unwelcome then this increases racial tensions in the country and we face a severe backlash from the rest of the Islamic world, far far worse than what we experience now. It's a very complex and sensitive issue. It is a complex and sensitive issue - but don't people need also to be sensitive to the culture of this country too? Take what you said and apply it to an audience where white people refuse to sit next to non-whites? If they walk out they'll be alienated? If all parties treat them the same they'll form they're own party? 'If you don't abide by them then you're not welcome here' - that applies to everyone though. We need tolerance but we need tolerance on both sides. Tolerance to understand that segregation is not acceptable. Don't get me wrong. I've got (and had over the years) a lot of Muslim friends. I find them a very generous and friendly group. You're all making the incorrect assumption that they are sitting separately because men and women and aren't considered equal in Islam and that's just not correct. Have any of you got Muslim friends? Has anyone taken the time to understand why its part of their culture?
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 16:28:01 GMT
Not really. Do you really think it's that simple for a Muslim woman to just leave her religion? In this country, absolutely yes. In Islamic regions/countries, no.
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Post by jonah77 on May 4, 2015 16:33:19 GMT
Not really. Do you really think it's that simple for a Muslim woman to just leave her religion? In this country, absolutely yes. In Islamic regions/countries, no. You fully know the ramifications of a woman abandoning her faith in this or any other country. The best she could hope for is being black balled by the entire Muslim community. The worst being forced to go to Pakistan for example to be "re-educated". Worst still an honour killing.
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 16:35:52 GMT
It is a complex and sensitive issue - but don't people need also to be sensitive to the culture of this country too? Take what you said and apply it to an audience where white people refuse to sit next to non-whites? If they walk out they'll be alienated? If all parties treat them the same they'll form they're own party? 'If you don't abide by them then you're not welcome here' - that applies to everyone though. We need tolerance but we need tolerance on both sides. Tolerance to understand that segregation is not acceptable. Don't get me wrong. I've got (and had over the years) a lot of Muslim friends. I find them a very generous and friendly group. You're all making the incorrect assumption that they are sitting separately because men and women and aren't considered equal in Islam and that's just not correct. Have any of you got Muslim friends? Has anyone taken the time to understand why its part of their culture? Women aren't treated equally in Islam - fact
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 4, 2015 16:54:19 GMT
They would have no choice but to leave and if they turned up again you tell them to leave again. You arrange for the meeting to be held elsewhere and warn them that if they come they should abide by the rules . Simple as that. It's only as hard as you make it They would have a choice, they could choose to just remain sitting where they are. They could also choose to come to the next meeting and do it again. You can't enforce it. You're clearly on some sort of wind up. If you think that government and responsible communities can do nothing to combat segregation then you're clearly nuts. It's a good job the world ignored your frankly strange views in South Africa.
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Post by edgepotter on May 4, 2015 17:06:01 GMT
You're all making the incorrect assumption that they are sitting separately because men and women and aren't considered equal in Islam and that's just not correct. Have any of you got Muslim friends? Has anyone taken the time to understand why its part of their culture? Women aren't treated equally in Islam - fact Show me some facts? Do you know why men and women are segregated in Islam?
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 17:09:54 GMT
Women aren't treated equally in Islam - fact Show me some facts? Do you know why men and women are segregated in Islam? The facts are all around you Women aren't treated equally in Islam - Fact
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