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Post by upthefud on May 2, 2015 23:20:19 GMT
Notice huddy still hasn't answered my question. He was asked several times and replied to me but avoided the question about the Greens. Next time he thinks he's been clever and keeps pushing some one to answer his questions just remind him of this fact If you can find a "racist" Green Party member I would of course denounce him or her. Happy now? Ahh the good old greens. Scrap the armed forces Scrap trident Make it legal to join terrorist organisations Fuck me they are a laughing stock. It actually upsets me that people would vote for them.
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Post by edgepotter on May 2, 2015 23:20:25 GMT
Made an error which I've now amended. To be clear I don't think Farage or UKIP are racist, I do think however that due to their stance on immigration they are more likely to attract the racist type than any of the other parties. What made you come that conclusion ? Their stance on immigration naturally makes them popular with racists, and also the UKIP supporters that I'm aware of in my social circles are all openly racist in their views.
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Post by upthefud on May 2, 2015 23:21:08 GMT
Why is it when Cameron says he'll reduce immigration to tens of thousands nobody says anything. When Farage says it out comes the slur. Because Cameron is making false promises to buy votes. Farage means it Vote UKIP for change UKIP will rock politics in this country on Thursday. I work with people up and down the country and the level of support UKIP are getting is amazing.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 23:25:56 GMT
What made you come that conclusion ? Their stance on immigration naturally makes them popular with racists, and also the UKIP supporters that I'm aware of in my social circles are all openly racist in their views. Where geographically is your social circle ?
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Post by desman2 on May 2, 2015 23:26:50 GMT
The fact is, this country had a controlled policy before scumbag Blair went crazy. Even my own missus had to go through a rigorous process to get into the UK. That was designed to attract the best people and worked. Once scumbag Blair got in that was it. I totally agree with Farages return to a controlled system and if anyone wants to try and stick a pathetic and frankly childish label on me then go for it if it makes you feel better.
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Post by edgepotter on May 2, 2015 23:28:29 GMT
Their stance on immigration naturally makes them popular with racists, and also the UKIP supporters that I'm aware of in my social circles are all openly racist in their views. Where geographically is your social circle ? Staffordshire Moorlands
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Post by edgepotter on May 2, 2015 23:33:40 GMT
The fact is, this country had a controlled policy before scumbag Blair went crazy. Even my own missus had to go through a rigorous process to get into the UK. That was designed to attract the best people and worked. Once scumbag Blair got in that was it. I totally agree with Farages return to a controlled system and if anyone wants to try and stick a pathetic and frankly childish label on me then go for it if it makes you feel better. I completely understand why people want a return to a controlled system but I think that even if we do it doesn't solve the main problem our society currently faces which is the growing gap between the rich and the poor. For me personally I'd like to see social inequality addressed and to see the multinational corporations put into place and made to pay tax rather than avoiding it. Neither UKIP or the conservatives have addressed these issues.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 23:34:12 GMT
Okay Brown Edge .....
So , you haven't experienced cultural enrichment first hand then ....?
Yours is an opinion based on philosophical preferences ....?
You weren't culturally enriched in Shelton Eturia or other places of significant relevance in relation to immigration ..?
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Post by desman2 on May 2, 2015 23:37:54 GMT
The fact is, this country had a controlled policy before scumbag Blair went crazy. Even my own missus had to go through a rigorous process to get into the UK. That was designed to attract the best people and worked. Once scumbag Blair got in that was it. I totally agree with Farages return to a controlled system and if anyone wants to try and stick a pathetic and frankly childish label on me then go for it if it makes you feel better. I completely understand why people want a return to a controlled system but I think that even if we do it doesn't solve the main problem our society currently faces which is the growing gap between the rich and the poor. For me personally I'd like to see social inequality addressed and to see the multinational corporations put into place and made to pay tax rather than avoiding it. Neither UKIP or the conservatives have addressed these issues. No government of any colour will do it though. Its the banks that control it all. In its own way the open door policy has been a contributor to the gap widening by driving wages at the bottom end down. The only benefactors of that are the already wealthy.
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Post by edgepotter on May 2, 2015 23:45:10 GMT
I completely understand why people want a return to a controlled system but I think that even if we do it doesn't solve the main problem our society currently faces which is the growing gap between the rich and the poor. For me personally I'd like to see social inequality addressed and to see the multinational corporations put into place and made to pay tax rather than avoiding it. Neither UKIP or the conservatives have addressed these issues. No government of any colour will do it though. Its the banks that control it all. In its own way the open door policy has been a contributor to the gap widening by driving wages at the bottom end down. The only benefactors of that are the already wealthy. Labour and the Greens are at least talking about these issues though, I actually agree that with the current system it's not going to happen which is why I would like to see the system changed and it seems to me that more and more people are coming round to the idea.
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Post by edgepotter on May 2, 2015 23:49:06 GMT
Okay Brown Edge ..... So , you haven't experienced cultural enrichment first hand then ....? Yours is an opinion based on philosophical preferences ....? You weren't culturally enriched in Shelton Eturia or other places of significant relevance in relation to immigration ..? My opinion is based on how I see things, immigration for me is low on the list of things I would like to see sorted out I just feel that we have far more pressing issues to deal with.
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Post by desman2 on May 2, 2015 23:49:58 GMT
Id certainly like to see some action taken against the energy companies who ignore the drop in price and cause hardship that way. There should be laws that force these companies to pass on drops.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 23:50:16 GMT
I completely understand why people want a return to a controlled system but I think that even if we do it doesn't solve the main problem our society currently faces which is the growing gap between the rich and the poor. For me personally I'd like to see social inequality addressed and to see the multinational corporations put into place and made to pay tax rather than avoiding it. Neither UKIP or the conservatives have addressed these issues. No government of any colour will do it though. Its the banks that control it all. In its own way the open door policy has been a contributor to the gap widening by driving wages at the bottom end down. The only benefactors of that are the already wealthy. Correct.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 2, 2015 23:52:29 GMT
Why is it when Cameron says he'll reduce immigration to tens of thousands nobody says anything. When Farage says it out comes the slur. ...and when Gordon Brown said British jobs for British workers that was all fine and dandy. When Farage says the same he's a racist?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 23:53:19 GMT
Okay Brown Edge ..... So , you haven't experienced cultural enrichment first hand then ....? Yours is an opinion based on philosophical preferences ....? You weren't culturally enriched in Shelton Eturia or other places of significant relevance in relation to immigration ..? My opinion is based on how I see things, immigration for me is low on the list of things I would like to see sorted out I just feel that we have far more pressing issues to deal with. So you have no experience of living amongst the people's you constantly strive to support ....ie the immigrants from the Middle East and Africa.?
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Post by ukcstokie on May 2, 2015 23:59:48 GMT
Okay Brown Edge ..... So , you haven't experienced cultural enrichment first hand then ....? Yours is an opinion based on philosophical preferences ....? You weren't culturally enriched in Shelton Eturia or other places of significant relevance in relation to immigration ..? My opinion is based on how I see things, immigration for me is low on the list of things I would like to see sorted out I just feel that we have far more pressing issues to deal with. Immigration has an effect on: housing NHS waiting lists social cohesion wages security unemployment ... If we don't get that right then it has a significant effect across the board.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 0:02:08 GMT
There's no point in trying to light a lamp if there's no fucking oil in the bottom.
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Post by edgepotter on May 3, 2015 0:18:01 GMT
My opinion is based on how I see things, immigration for me is low on the list of things I would like to see sorted out I just feel that we have far more pressing issues to deal with. Immigration has an effect on: housing NHS waiting lists social cohesion wages security unemployment ... If we don't get that right then it has a significant effect across the board. Our number one priority should be addressing the gap between the rich and the poor, addressing social inequality. Immigration may have an effect on the things you say, but it's most certainly not the root cause of these issues and addressing immigration would not solve the issue of social inequality so like I say we have far more pressing issues to look at.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 0:28:42 GMT
So Edgepotter ....you don't want to answer my question but would rather trot out your previous excuses.......
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Post by edgepotter on May 3, 2015 0:34:52 GMT
So Edgepotter ....you don't want to answer my question but would rather trot out your previous excuses....... Your question isn't relevant. I've made my stance pretty clear.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 3:55:30 GMT
My opinion is based on how I see things, immigration for me is low on the list of things I would like to see sorted out I just feel that we have far more pressing issues to deal with. Immigration has an effect on: housing NHS waiting lists social cohesion wages security unemployment ... If we don't get that right then it has a significant effect across the board. Not to mention preserving our culture and doing what's right
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 8:52:09 GMT
Why is it when Cameron says he'll reduce immigration to tens of thousands nobody says anything. When Farage says it out comes the slur. Because Cameron is making false promises to buy votes. Farage means it Vote UKIP for change UKIP will rock politics in this country on Thursday. I work with people up and down the country and the level of support UKIP are getting is amazing. I repeat... Farage tried at least 3 times (and failed) to become a Tory MP Privately educated son of a baker and a banker himself Aligned his party in the EP with some nasty far right political parties What makes him different, this breath of fresh air you folk go on about? Frankly I don't see it myself.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 8:53:00 GMT
Immigration has an effect on: housing NHS waiting lists social cohesion wages security unemployment ... If we don't get that right then it has a significant effect across the board. Not to mention preserving our culture and doing what's right Which culture do you wish to preserve?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 8:55:21 GMT
I completely understand why people want a return to a controlled system but I think that even if we do it doesn't solve the main problem our society currently faces which is the growing gap between the rich and the poor. For me personally I'd like to see social inequality addressed and to see the multinational corporations put into place and made to pay tax rather than avoiding it. Neither UKIP or the conservatives have addressed these issues. No government of any colour will do it though. Its the banks that control it all. In its own way the open door policy has been a contributor to the gap widening by driving wages at the bottom end down. The only benefactors of that are the already wealthy. Totally agree with your last sentence.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 9:28:12 GMT
Not to mention preserving our culture and doing what's right Which culture do you wish to preserve? Answer my question first. You have been asked several times but you keep dodging the question. If they are all the same does that include the Greens as well or is that different ?
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 9:33:26 GMT
Because Cameron is making false promises to buy votes. Farage means it Vote UKIP for change UKIP will rock politics in this country on Thursday. I work with people up and down the country and the level of support UKIP are getting is amazing. I repeat... Farage tried at least 3 times (and failed) to become a Tory MP Privately educated son of a baker and a banker himself Aligned his party in the EP with some nasty far right political parties What makes him different, this breath of fresh air you folk go on about? Frankly I don't see it myself. So you have something against people that are more successful than you. That reeks of jelousy mate. Bit classist as well if you ask me . Looking down on someone because of what job they did and because of how much money their parents had. That's disgusting You have been told many times why UKIP and Farage are different but you won't accept what people say because it doesn't reflect your own opinions. UKIP'S policies are what make them different UKIP ban ex BNP members from joining it's ranks - the other parties don't UKIP expell and suspend members that make racist comments - the other parties don't. In fact Labour field them as candidates
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Post by crapslinger on May 3, 2015 9:35:28 GMT
Because Cameron is making false promises to buy votes. Farage means it Vote UKIP for change UKIP will rock politics in this country on Thursday. I work with people up and down the country and the level of support UKIP are getting is amazing. I repeat... Farage tried at least 3 times (and failed) to become a Tory MP Privately educated son of a baker and a banker himself Aligned his party in the EP with some nasty far right political parties What makes him different, this breath of fresh air you folk go on about? Frankly I don't see it myself. Is he really the son of a baker ?, would that make him the best thing since sliced bread Sir
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 9:46:38 GMT
I repeat... Farage tried at least 3 times (and failed) to become a Tory MP Privately educated son of a baker and a banker himself Aligned his party in the EP with some nasty far right political parties What makes him different, this breath of fresh air you folk go on about? Frankly I don't see it myself. Is he really the son of a baker ?, would that make him the best thing since sliced bread Sir Thing is he attacks Farage because his father was a banker. Why this is important or relevant I do not know
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 9:49:38 GMT
Which culture do you wish to preserve? Answer my question first. You have been asked several times but you keep dodging the question. If they are all the same does that include the Greens as well or is that different ? I've answered your question.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 9:51:07 GMT
I repeat... Farage tried at least 3 times (and failed) to become a Tory MP Privately educated son of a baker and a banker himself Aligned his party in the EP with some nasty far right political parties What makes him different, this breath of fresh air you folk go on about? Frankly I don't see it myself. So you have something against people that are more successful than you. That reeks of jelousy mate. Bit classist as well if you ask me . Looking down on someone because of what job they did and because of how much money their parents had. That's disgusting You have been told many times why UKIP and Farage are different but you won't accept what people say because it doesn't reflect your own opinions. UKIP'S policies are what make them different UKIP ban ex BNP members from joining it's ranks - the other parties don't UKIP expell and suspend members that make racist comments - the other parties don't. In fact Labour field them as candidates This is possibly your most ridiculous reply yet. Seriously, you should get some help.
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