|
Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 18:53:39 GMT
Do you not see the irony of your sweeping statements about the board as a whole? That it's full of hypocrisy? Is that so untrue? lol A few months ago half the posts on this thread said we should fuck of Arnie... Sorry but there is no whiteknight on this board. Hang on, there are over ten thousand posters all with separate views. Nothing wrong with that so inevitably if you take all those views as the same there will be hypocrisy. You however have earlier inferred that the whole board's opinion is based on race which is utter and total bollocks.
|
|
|
Post by thedeadlyshart on Apr 18, 2015 18:53:57 GMT
He was, unless you think the no stats and Glenn's shite performance was a masterclass like the 99% of the morons on here. He was better defending than Ryan today... You honestly think he was one of the best players? So he was better than Pieters, N'Zonzi, Arnie and Moses? Honestly? All the rest were shite irrespective of stats. But we won so I'm chuffed as fook! i don't know about you but I thought moses didn't do a thing today.
|
|
|
Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 18, 2015 18:54:02 GMT
Disagree with shit performance.
Thought we did ok today. Certainly seen us play worse this season and over the last few years.
Deserved to win IMO.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 18:54:11 GMT
Love what Churchill once said about our American friends
''you can guarantee our American Allies will always do the right thing''
''its just sometimes after, they have tried just about everything else''
(or words to that effect)
bless him
|
|
|
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 18:54:59 GMT
That it's full of hypocrisy? Is that so untrue? lol A few months ago half the posts on this thread said we should fuck of Arnie... Sorry but there is no whiteknight on this board. Hang on, there are over ten thousand posters all with separate views. Nothing wrong with that so inevitably if you take all those views as the same there will be hypocrisy. You however have earlier inferred that the whole board's opinion is based on race which is utter and total bollocks. Race? lol nationality isn't race... just stop...
|
|
|
Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 18:56:21 GMT
Hang on, there are over ten thousand posters all with separate views. Nothing wrong with that so inevitably if you take all those views as the same there will be hypocrisy. You however have earlier inferred that the whole board's opinion is based on race which is utter and total bollocks. Race? lol nationality isn't race... just stop... It boils down to the same thing, you have implied that this board judges players based on which country they come from. It's bollocks and wrong.
|
|
|
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 18:58:59 GMT
Race? lol nationality isn't race... just stop... It boils down to the same thing, you have implied that this board judges players based on which country they come from. It's bollocks and wrong. No, it doesn't you sound like a child... race has nothing to do with a persons nationality today. It isn't 1400, Sorry. Your grasping at it again. Besides... is American a Race? If so can my skin be red white and blue for Britain and the USA? People do on this board... I see you speak for every poster.
|
|
|
Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 19:08:41 GMT
It boils down to the same thing, you have implied that this board judges players based on which country they come from. It's bollocks and wrong. No, it doesn't you sound like a child... race has nothing to do with a persons nationality today. It isn't 1400, Sorry. Your grasping at it again. Besides... is American a Race? If so can my skin be red white and blue for Britain and the USA? Each is just as bad as each other so why split hairs on this and move away from accusation you have made. You have accused the board of being nationalistic because a player you like isn't highly rated by a number of people. To bring his country of birth into the conversation isn't helpful and doesn't add anything to the debate. There may be the odd person that it is applicable to on here but just like every society you're always going to get a cross section of views and beliefs but my belief and hope is that it is massively in the minority and he is judged on performances and nothing else. However if you believe it to be the case and that this board is overtly nationalistic that is your opinion, it's wrong but you're entitled to it.
|
|
|
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 19:10:12 GMT
No, it doesn't you sound like a child... race has nothing to do with a persons nationality today. It isn't 1400, Sorry. Your grasping at it again. Besides... is American a Race? If so can my skin be red white and blue for Britain and the USA? Each is just as bad as each other so why split hairs on this and move away from accusation you have made. You have accused the board of being nationalistic because a player you like isn't highly rated by a number of people. To bring his country of birth into the conversation isn't helpful and doesn't add anything to the debate. There may be the odd person that it is applicable to on here but just like every society you're always going to get a cross section of views and beliefs but my belief and hope is that it is massively in the minority and he is judged on performances and nothing else. However if you believe it to be the case and that this board is overtly nationalistic that is your opinion, it's wrong but you're entitled to it. Okay.. answer me why the Glenda thread was deleted yet we have a Cameron hate thread... To each his own? Hypocritical at best!
|
|
|
Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 19:18:30 GMT
Each is just as bad as each other so why split hairs on this and move away from accusation you have made. You have accused the board of being nationalistic because a player you like isn't highly rated by a number of people. To bring his country of birth into the conversation isn't helpful and doesn't add anything to the debate. There may be the odd person that it is applicable to on here but just like every society you're always going to get a cross section of views and beliefs but my belief and hope is that it is massively in the minority and he is judged on performances and nothing else. However if you believe it to be the case and that this board is overtly nationalistic that is your opinion, it's wrong but you're entitled to it. Okay.. answer me why the Glenda thread was deleted yet we have a Cameron hate thread... To each his own? Hypocritical at best! As I've said I would be amazed if there wasn't some hypocrisy but overt nationalism? No, mate I can't agree with that. What I would say is that Glenn (who was bloody terrible BUT did save Bego's blushes) has a lot more credit in the Bank of Stoke City than say Geoff who hasn't been here as long and done as much for the club. Does that make Glenn immune from criticism? No not at all in my opinion but then I don't know what had been written in the thread so it's hard to judge it.
|
|
|
Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 18, 2015 19:28:32 GMT
Was a game of two halves, we were shocking the first and other than that 5 minute period where we couldn't pass the bloody ball about we were decent in the second. Makes up for the 2 extra points we deserved last week. Don't think we were shocking in the first half. We sat very deep for a fair chunk of the second half which was frustrating but hell 3 points against a top side, get in!!!
|
|
|
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 19:30:46 GMT
Okay.. answer me why the Glenda thread was deleted yet we have a Cameron hate thread... To each his own? Hypocritical at best! As I've said I would be amazed if there wasn't some hypocrisy but overt nationalism? No, mate I can't agree with that. What I would say is that Glenn (who was bloody terrible BUT did save Bego's blushes) has a lot more credit in the Bank of Stoke City than say Geoff who hasn't been here as long and done as much for the club. Does that make Glenn immune from criticism? No not at all in my opinion but then I don't know what had been written in the thread so it's hard to judge it. It was just the normal written unfactual opinionated dross. No debatable arguement but it wasn't anything bad. It's in poor taste and very, very hypocritical and it is nothing more than a Moderator stifling criticism through favoritism. If that is okay, then that's a bad precedent for this "board." I think Geoff's earned his due to be in the Stoke bank as a member, he's been here long enough to not see much praise, yet he keeps fit and keeps going out and doing his best for this club wearing the shirt. He's quite possibly the most underrated and under-praised senior as a utility man we've had since coming up. It's sad when your the ONLY one with a picture on your avatar (even though he's not my favorite player) and you get this sort of abuse. I took him up as a fan because he was different and I saw him more being he is from MLS and knew he'd offer the squad a lot. The hypocrisy is one thing, but when tits start asking you if your American (even though I'm a dual citizen now, thanks to my wife) trying to argue... well.. Your American, you don't know anything about football then you've entered the same sort of elitist and entitled stifling that happened with a common Cameron thread. All I ask is for consistency... How come the other threads which have become the same dross are deleted?Yet... I just looked. There's the "Welcome back Wilko thread." It's very, very laughable at this point...
|
|
|
Post by Squeekster on Apr 18, 2015 19:33:31 GMT
Okay.. answer me why the Glenda thread was deleted yet we have a Cameron hate thread... To each his own? Hypocritical at best! As I've said I would be amazed if there wasn't some hypocrisy but overt nationalism? No, mate I can't agree with that. What I would say is that Glenn (who was bloody terrible BUT did save Bego's blushes) has a lot more credit in the Bank of Stoke City than say Geoff who hasn't been here as long and done as much for the club. Does that make Glenn immune from criticism? No not at all in my opinion but then I don't know what had been written in the thread so it's hard to judge it. Not reading this thread that much Jamo but Geoff Cameron gets a hell of a lot of unjust criticism on here in my opinion!
|
|
|
Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 19:47:06 GMT
As I've said I would be amazed if there wasn't some hypocrisy but overt nationalism? No, mate I can't agree with that. What I would say is that Glenn (who was bloody terrible BUT did save Bego's blushes) has a lot more credit in the Bank of Stoke City than say Geoff who hasn't been here as long and done as much for the club. Does that make Glenn immune from criticism? No not at all in my opinion but then I don't know what had been written in the thread so it's hard to judge it. It was just the normal written unfactual opinionated dross. No debatable arguement but it wasn't anything bad. It's in poor taste and very, very hypocritical and it is nothing more than a Moderator stifling criticism through favoritism. If that is okay, then that's a bad precedent for this "board." I think Geoff's earned his due to be in the Stoke bank as a member, he's been here long enough to not see much praise, yet he keeps fit and keeps going out and doing his best for this club wearing the shirt. He's quite possibly the most underrated and under-praised senior as a utility man we've had since coming up. It's sad when your the ONLY one with a picture on your avatar (even though he's not my favorite player) and you get this sort of abuse. I took him up as a fan because he was different and I saw him more being he is from MLS and knew he'd offer the squad a lot. The hypocrisy is one thing, but when tits start asking you if your American (even though I'm a dual citizen now, thanks to my wife) trying to argue... well.. Your American, you don't know anything about football then you've entered the same sort of elitist and entitled stifling that happened with a common Cameron thread. All I ask is for consistency... How come the other threads which have become the same dross are deleted?Yet... I just looked. There's the "Welcome back Wilko thread." It's very, very laughable at this point... Like I said though, you may get that as you get a cross section but it's not the whole board and your accusation was unfounded and I didn't like it was used when addressing me personally. That's the bit I'm struggling with.
|
|
|
Post by stokiemarc on Apr 18, 2015 19:49:00 GMT
First team to score more than 1 goal against Southampton in one of their away matches since Liverpool in the opening game of the season.
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 18, 2015 19:49:33 GMT
As I've said I would be amazed if there wasn't some hypocrisy but overt nationalism? No, mate I can't agree with that. What I would say is that Glenn (who was bloody terrible BUT did save Bego's blushes) has a lot more credit in the Bank of Stoke City than say Geoff who hasn't been here as long and done as much for the club. Does that make Glenn immune from criticism? No not at all in my opinion but then I don't know what had been written in the thread so it's hard to judge it. It was just the normal written unfactual opinionated dross. No debatable arguement but it wasn't anything bad. It's in poor taste and very, very hypocritical and it is nothing more than a Moderator stifling criticism through favoritism. If that is okay, then that's a bad precedent for this "board." I think Geoff's earned his due to be in the Stoke bank as a member, he's been here long enough to not see much praise, yet he keeps fit and keeps going out and doing his best for this club wearing the shirt. He's quite possibly the most underrated and under-praised senior as a utility man we've had since coming up. It's sad when your the ONLY one with a picture on your avatar (even though he's not my favorite player) and you get this sort of abuse. I took him up as a fan because he was different and I saw him more being he is from MLS and knew he'd offer the squad a lot. The hypocrisy is one thing, but when tits start asking you if your American (even though I'm a dual citizen now, thanks to my wife) trying to argue... well.. Your American, you don't know anything about football then you've entered the same sort of elitist and entitled stifling that happened with a common Cameron thread. All I ask is for consistency... How come the other threads which have become the same dross are deleted?Yet... I just looked. There's the "Welcome back Wilko thread." It's very, very laughable at this point... The criticism of Cameron has got nothing to do with him being American. To suggest it is, is absolutely ridiculous.
|
|
|
Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Apr 18, 2015 19:50:56 GMT
I think Cameron is in the side on merit, having said that, I thought he was shit today though he wasn't helped by the fact he got little support from Super Jon .
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 18, 2015 19:53:23 GMT
I think Cameron is in the side on merit, having said that, I thought he was shit today though he wasn't helped by the fact he got little support from Super Jon . He has been good in the two previous games, I didn't think he was the worst defender today. He just cannot seem to cross a ball consistently and gets in the way sometimes because of his poor positioning.
|
|
|
Post by roylandstoke on Apr 18, 2015 20:06:38 GMT
As I've said I would be amazed if there wasn't some hypocrisy but overt nationalism? No, mate I can't agree with that. What I would say is that Glenn (who was bloody terrible BUT did save Bego's blushes) has a lot more credit in the Bank of Stoke City than say Geoff who hasn't been here as long and done as much for the club. Does that make Glenn immune from criticism? No not at all in my opinion but then I don't know what had been written in the thread so it's hard to judge it. It was just the normal written unfactual opinionated dross. No debatable arguement but it wasn't anything bad. It's in poor taste and very, very hypocritical and it is nothing more than a Moderator stifling criticism through favoritism. If that is okay, then that's a bad precedent for this "board." I think Geoff's earned his due to be in the Stoke bank as a member, he's been here long enough to not see much praise, yet he keeps fit and keeps going out and doing his best for this club wearing the shirt. He's quite possibly the most underrated and under-praised senior as a utility man we've had since coming up. It's sad when your the ONLY one with a picture on your avatar (even though he's not my favorite player) and you get this sort of abuse. I took him up as a fan because he was different and I saw him more being he is from MLS and knew he'd offer the squad a lot. The hypocrisy is one thing, but when tits start asking you if your American (even though I'm a dual citizen now, thanks to my wife) trying to argue... well.. Your American, you don't know anything about football then you've entered the same sort of elitist and entitled stifling that happened with a common Cameron thread. All I ask is for consistency... How come the other threads which have become the same dross are deleted?Yet... I just looked. There's the "Welcome back Wilko thread." It's very, very laughable at this point... I think over the course of this thread you've lost abit of perspective mate. Some posters don't rate Cameron and criticise him, sometimes unfairly, but that happens to pretty much anyone who has ever played for SCFC. It has nothing to do with his nationality. I rate Cameron and regularly stick up for him because I think he is a good pro and a decent player. I think he is our best RB and his versatility is a great asset. It is not because of his nationality, race, haircut or taste in art. I just rate him. Some don't. I think that Brek Shea is one of the poorest footballers I have ever seen in a Stoke shirt. I think he was an embarrasment to his profession while he was in England. I don't think he was shit because he was American; I think he was shit because of his performances on the pitch. Stick up for players you rate by all means; I wish more Stokies would stick up for our players, try not to slag off our players when they don't seem to be playing well, but don't get caught up with nationalism and all that it is associated with as an excuse for some people's views.
|
|
|
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 20:07:08 GMT
It was just the normal written unfactual opinionated dross. No debatable arguement but it wasn't anything bad. It's in poor taste and very, very hypocritical and it is nothing more than a Moderator stifling criticism through favoritism. If that is okay, then that's a bad precedent for this "board." I think Geoff's earned his due to be in the Stoke bank as a member, he's been here long enough to not see much praise, yet he keeps fit and keeps going out and doing his best for this club wearing the shirt. He's quite possibly the most underrated and under-praised senior as a utility man we've had since coming up. It's sad when your the ONLY one with a picture on your avatar (even though he's not my favorite player) and you get this sort of abuse. I took him up as a fan because he was different and I saw him more being he is from MLS and knew he'd offer the squad a lot. The hypocrisy is one thing, but when tits start asking you if your American (even though I'm a dual citizen now, thanks to my wife) trying to argue... well.. Your American, you don't know anything about football then you've entered the same sort of elitist and entitled stifling that happened with a common Cameron thread. All I ask is for consistency... How come the other threads which have become the same dross are deleted?Yet... I just looked. There's the "Welcome back Wilko thread." It's very, very laughable at this point... The criticism of Cameron has got nothing to do with him being American. To suggest it is, is absolutely ridiculous. In the beginning it was and to say it wasn't a thought or common thing ohh "MLS" "League one at best" etc... etcc.. when he first came to Stoke is just not true. His name in the clubhouse is "The Yank!" To say it hasn't carried over in some regards here on the oatcake from some usual posters is just laughable.
|
|
|
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 20:10:04 GMT
It was just the normal written unfactual opinionated dross. No debatable arguement but it wasn't anything bad. It's in poor taste and very, very hypocritical and it is nothing more than a Moderator stifling criticism through favoritism. If that is okay, then that's a bad precedent for this "board." I think Geoff's earned his due to be in the Stoke bank as a member, he's been here long enough to not see much praise, yet he keeps fit and keeps going out and doing his best for this club wearing the shirt. He's quite possibly the most underrated and under-praised senior as a utility man we've had since coming up. It's sad when your the ONLY one with a picture on your avatar (even though he's not my favorite player) and you get this sort of abuse. I took him up as a fan because he was different and I saw him more being he is from MLS and knew he'd offer the squad a lot. The hypocrisy is one thing, but when tits start asking you if your American (even though I'm a dual citizen now, thanks to my wife) trying to argue... well.. Your American, you don't know anything about football then you've entered the same sort of elitist and entitled stifling that happened with a common Cameron thread. All I ask is for consistency... How come the other threads which have become the same dross are deleted?Yet... I just looked. There's the "Welcome back Wilko thread." It's very, very laughable at this point... I think over the course of this thread you've lost abit of perspective mate. Some posters don't rate Cameron and criticise him, sometimes unfairly, but that happens to pretty much anyone who has ever played for SCFC. It has nothing to do with his nationality. I rate Cameron and regularly stick up for him because I think he is a good pro and a decent player. I think he is our best RB and his versatility is a great asset. It is not because of his nationality, race, haircut or taste in art. I just rate him. Some don't. I think that Brek Shea is one of the poorest footballers I have ever seen in a Stoke shirt. I think he was an embarrasment to his profession while he was in England. I don't think he was shit because he was American; I think he was shit because of his performances on the pitch. Stick up for players you rate by all means; I wish more Stokies would stick up for our players, try not to slag off our players when they don't seem to be playing well, but don't get caught up with nationalism and all that it associated with as an excuse for some people's views. Can you explain why we have a Geoff Cameron thread after every game then? Is it his devlish good looks to some? ¯\_(?)_/¯ I don't get it... It's a serious question... We had a player whos been here a long time get some stick with a thread... wham deleted... yet here we are. I don't ever ask anyone.. are you an expat or american but you can clearly look around and see how often that little gem is thrown around here. Just like the... "I was there." "You weren't" Bullshit. Lets be real.
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 18, 2015 20:21:24 GMT
The criticism of Cameron has got nothing to do with him being American. To suggest it is, is absolutely ridiculous. In the beginning it was and to say it wasn't a thought or common thing ohh "MLS" "League one at best" etc... etcc.. when he first came to Stoke is just not true. His name in the clubhouse is "The Yank!" To say it hasn't carried over in some regards here on the oatcake from some usual posters is just laughable. What is wrong with calling him 'the yank'? I worked for an American company and we were called 'the brits'. I have watched quite a few MLS matches on BT and I think that it is championship level at the most. Look at the players who play in it from Britain, players who couldn't make it or have gone for one final payday.
|
|
|
Post by roylandstoke on Apr 18, 2015 20:24:10 GMT
I think over the course of this thread you've lost abit of perspective mate. Some posters don't rate Cameron and criticise him, sometimes unfairly, but that happens to pretty much anyone who has ever played for SCFC. It has nothing to do with his nationality. I rate Cameron and regularly stick up for him because I think he is a good pro and a decent player. I think he is our best RB and his versatility is a great asset. It is not because of his nationality, race, haircut or taste in art. I just rate him. Some don't. I think that Brek Shea is one of the poorest footballers I have ever seen in a Stoke shirt. I think he was an embarrasment to his profession while he was in England. I don't think he was shit because he was American; I think he was shit because of his performances on the pitch. Stick up for players you rate by all means; I wish more Stokies would stick up for our players, try not to slag off our players when they don't seem to be playing well, but don't get caught up with nationalism and all that it associated with as an excuse for some people's views. Can you explain why we have a Geoff Cameron thread after every game then? Is it his devlish good looks to some? ¯\_(?)_/¯ I don't get it... It's a serious question... We had a player whos been here a long time get some stick with a thread... wham deleted... yet here we are. I don't ever ask anyone.. are you an expat or american but you can clearly look around and see how often that little gem is thrown around here. Just like the... "I was there." "You weren't" Bullshit. Lets be real. We have threads about most of our players at some time or another. Recently people have been slagging Bego. N'Zonzi gets stick every time he doesn't play like Hudson, ie Today Ireland gets stick from Adam fans ( see today) Adam gets stick from a sizeable group. Whelan regularly gets stick; people have been demanding an upgrade since 2008. Crouch gets loads. Diouf gets loads. Arnie is god to some and dog shit to others. Wilson...well where do you start. SJW has probably had more than most and despite having his best season got slagged by many today. Bardsley gets loads when he plays just the same as Cameron does when he replaces him. Moses is too much of a luxury for many and falls over too easily for most. Pieters isn't as good as Muniesa one week and sometimes isn't even as good as Marc Wilson! Even Ryan has been slagged off by a tiny minority this year. The oatcake is a fans forum where people air their own views. We all see the game differently ( I think Tik-a Taka Barca style is mind numbingly boring) Players get praised by some and slagged by others. It has nothing to do with their nationality. Nothing.
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Apr 18, 2015 20:34:51 GMT
Not that bad IMO
Always felt we were in the game and had a chance. There were some individual poor performances, and some very mixed ones like N'Zonzi and Wolly, but there were also some good ones: Arni, Diouf, Adam, Ryan, and Walters. Bego also did his job, although "his slip was showing" at times. They came at hard with some good build up repeatedly, but the defence managed to snuff it out, apart from the corner error.
|
|
|
Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 18, 2015 21:27:39 GMT
To put it into prespective they are a very good side and have the best defence in the league. Regardless of Southampton, we didn't play well. We didn't knock it about with confidence or intent. We were pretty poor throughout. You can't say ,regardless of Southampton,surely,they're not 6th or whatever for no good reason.
|
|
|
Post by swampySCFC on Apr 18, 2015 21:29:22 GMT
Thought they were a good side. We need to believe a bit more and keep the ball. Too many times we squandered possession cheaply
|
|
|
Post by BuzzB on Apr 18, 2015 21:50:55 GMT
Excellent result but a wierd wierd game. First 20 very good, conceded from yet another set piece and huffed and puffed until half time. Equalised early but then the bloody wheels fell off completely!! No shape, they were all over the shop, no one seemed to know what formation they were playing, sloppy stupid hospital balls, no concentration with every player looking around for someone to take the initiative. Crouch came on with our MOM getting hooked but it did sort of get us organised again. I'l take those three points and blame the sun. Next please............
|
|
|
Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 18, 2015 21:58:16 GMT
3 points today against a very good side is all its about. It wasn't all pretty, neither was it all dire. We should of won 4-1 ?? It doesn't matter, it's 3 important points. Not many sides have come from behind against Southampton this season. Well done lads!
|
|
|
Post by andrewguk on Apr 19, 2015 6:03:21 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 7:47:30 GMT
Another thing that posses me off, Diouf doesn't get his name sung enough. He scores a good goal, we sing his name for 30 seconds and then switch to N'Zonzi. All he did was fuck a cross up!
|
|