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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 7:56:34 GMT
Ukips policies are most in line with my thinking - but they look like a rag tag bunch of chancers, not sure I can bring myself to trust them. when watching a race of any kind one usually has somebody they want to win, pretty difficult to root for anyone in this lot. My feelings too UKIPS policies are ok up to a point EU withdrawal would be a catastrophe for UK plc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 8:07:08 GMT
Without turning this into a debate, who do you THINK will win and why, not who do you WANT to win. . About as sincere as the phrase, "I'm not a racist, but..." Not really....I THINK Chelsea will win on Saturday...I WANT Stoke to win on Saturday...
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Post by mcf on Mar 31, 2015 8:08:48 GMT
About as sincere as the phrase, "I'm not a racist, but..." Not really....I THINK Chelsea will win on Saturday...I WANT Stoke to win on Saturday... Racist!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 12:18:45 GMT
I didn't know harry was a jock.....typical ex shopkeeper tendencies tho Are you referring to the short measures on the oaties That and your short arms that don't reach your pockets
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 12:23:16 GMT
Ukips policies are most in line with my thinking - but they look like a rag tag bunch of chancers, not sure I can bring myself to trust them. when watching a race of any kind one usually has somebody they want to win, pretty difficult to root for anyone in this lot. My feelings too UKIPS policies are ok up to a point EU withdrawal would be a catastrophe for UK plc Cleggs 3m jobs at risk? Scaremongering.... Even if 3m jobs did go if we left Europe it would be far better to do that than follow the direction we are being herded into
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 12:41:22 GMT
My feelings too UKIPS policies are ok up to a point EU withdrawal would be a catastrophe for UK plc Cleggs 3m jobs at risk? Scaremongering.... Even if 3m jobs did go if we left Europe it would be far better to do that than follow the direction we are being herded into Selfish fascist racist scummer
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 12:42:20 GMT
The key is the economy, an interesting survey recently said that even a majority of labour supporters don't think they can run the countries finances, milibland has a massive credibility problem and I don't see how he could survive if they can't win a majority. Not sure if there is a stand out candidate to replace him though His brother? Tim Sherwood
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:24:00 GMT
So we will have a labour, SNP and Plaid Cymru three way ruling coalition.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 13:32:00 GMT
So we will have a labour, SNP and Plaid Cymru three way ruling coalition. I think I prefer the EU rather than that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:38:33 GMT
So we will have a labour, SNP and Plaid Cymru three way ruling coalition. I think I prefer the EU rather than that The Tories wont win, UKIP will take both Tory and Liberal seats, which will leave it very close for a majority for Labour and they will win with the help of one or both of the Welsh and Scotish National parties so it's not beyond imagination.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 13:45:39 GMT
I think I prefer the EU rather than that The Tories wont win, UKIP will take both Tory and Liberal seats, which will leave it very close for a majority for Labour and they will win with the help of one or both of the Welsh and Scotish National parties so it's not beyond imagination. Hope you are wrong , I think the possibility of the SNP having any say in Westminster will work against labour in the vote
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:47:27 GMT
So we will have a labour, SNP and Plaid Cymru three way ruling coalition. I think I prefer the EU rather than that You'll still get the eu but with those as managers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:48:01 GMT
The Tories wont win, UKIP will take both Tory and Liberal seats, which will leave it very close for a majority for Labour and they will win with the help of one or both of the Welsh and Scotish National parties so it's not beyond imagination. Hope you are wrong , I think the possibility of the SNP having any say in Westminster will work against labour in the vote I cant stand the SNP and it would be a mess with them having any say in Westminster but I can see it happening
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:50:20 GMT
It is difficult to see what difference either major party will have in influencing any possible renegotiating of the terms & conditions of the EU.
Neither party want out because they both know what the implications would be on the country ...catastrophic is the word.
Farage is simply enjoying the moment at present .
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 13:56:47 GMT
It is difficult to see what difference either major party will have in influencing any possible renegotiating of the terms & conditions of the EU. Neither party want out because they both know what the implications would be on the country ...catastrophic is the word. Farage is simply enjoying the moment at present . The EU won't allow us to cherry pick our terms of membership , they know full well we won't vote to leave either
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:01:45 GMT
It is difficult to see what difference either major party will have in influencing any possible renegotiating of the terms & conditions of the EU. Neither party want out because they both know what the implications would be on the country ...catastrophic is the word. Farage is simply enjoying the moment at present . The EU won't allow us to cherry pick our terms of membership , they know full well we won't vote to leave either Well if the Tories win they are commited to a referendum and we will vote to leave, common sence will not prevail sensational headlines will.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:02:12 GMT
It is difficult to see what difference either major party will have in influencing any possible renegotiating of the terms & conditions of the EU. Neither party want out because they both know what the implications would be on the country ...catastrophic is the word. Farage is simply enjoying the moment at present . The EU won't allow us to cherry pick our terms of membership , they know full well we won't vote to leave either Very true ....this is not an opinion , it's a fact .
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 14:09:32 GMT
The EU won't allow us to cherry pick our terms of membership , they know full well we won't vote to leave either Well if the Tories win they are commited to a referendum and we will vote to leave, common sence will not prevail sensational headlines will. Can't see it happening , Cameron himself won't back it , it will be fascinating to see what will happen if UKIP and the conservatives are in a coalition government , it could cause another election
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:11:48 GMT
Well if the Tories win they are commited to a referendum and we will vote to leave, common sence will not prevail sensational headlines will. Can't see it happening , Cameron himself won't back it , it will be fascinating to see what will happen if UKIP and the conservatives are in a coalition government , it could cause another election They will have to, it's in their manifesto and are using this as a major talking point.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 14:15:17 GMT
The EU won't allow us to cherry pick our terms of membership , they know full well we won't vote to leave either Very true ....this is not an opinion , it's a fact . The reality of a EUROZONE exit will hit home to the electorate when and if a referendum happens , none of the main parties will support it , the unions won't , the CBI won't Can't see the media going for it either , the Scots got cold feet faced with the facts of life outside the comfort zone
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:18:07 GMT
It's all very simple isn't it .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:21:35 GMT
Very true ....this is not an opinion , it's a fact . The reality of a EUROZONE exit will hit home to the electorate when and if a referendum happens , none of the main parties will support it , the unions won't , the CBI won't Can't see the media going for it either , the Scots got cold feet faced with the facts of life outside the comfort zone Do you thing the average person moaning about the EU will ? They are more "simple" folk who only see what they are told and read in the Sun. The average person I see in a day at work will not vote to stay they see daft rules, wasted money and immigrants and will vote to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:22:54 GMT
It is difficult to see what difference either major party will have in influencing any possible renegotiating of the terms & conditions of the EU. Neither party want out because they both know what the implications would be on the country ...catastrophic is the word. Farage is simply enjoying the moment at present . The EU won't allow us to cherry pick our terms of membership , they know full well we won't vote to leave either Don't you mean won't be allowed to leave?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:26:57 GMT
The reality of a EUROZONE exit will hit home to the electorate when and if a referendum happens , none of the main parties will support it , the unions won't , the CBI won't Can't see the media going for it either , the Scots got cold feet faced with the facts of life outside the comfort zone Do you thing the average person moaning about the EU will ? They are more "simple" folk who only see what they are told and read in the Sun. The average person I see in a day at work will not vote to stay they see daft rules, wasted money and immigrants and will vote to leave. Good point , but these people are also the ones who are likely to stay in and watch Corrie if it's raining on Polling day .... Whereas 'The Blue Rinsers ' from Home Counties South with £400,000 in the bank plus a good pension will drag themselves out no matter what it takes . They have significantly more to lose . It's not rocket science is it ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:29:58 GMT
Do you thing the average person moaning about the EU will ? They are more "simple" folk who only see what they are told and read in the Sun. The average person I see in a day at work will not vote to stay they see daft rules, wasted money and immigrants and will vote to leave. Good point , but these people are also the ones who are likely to stay in and watch Corrie if it's raining on Polling day .... Whereas 'The Blue Rinsers ' from Home Counties South with £400,000 in the bank plus a good pension will drag themselves out no matter what it takes . They have significantly more to lose . It's not rocket science is it ? True but there are few with that kind of money and are far outnumbered by the poor who hate the EU and the things they stand for, so if only a percentage vote it could be enough to swing it.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 14:32:10 GMT
Good point , but these people are also the ones who are likely to stay in and watch Corrie if it's raining on Polling day .... Whereas 'The Blue Rinsers ' from Home Counties South with £400,000 in the bank plus a good pension will drag themselves out no matter what it takes . They have significantly more to lose . It's not rocket science is it ? True but there are few with that kind of money and are far outnumbered by the poor who hate the EU and the things they stand for, so if only a percentage vote it could be enough to swing it. We all hate the EU mate me included , but it would be foolish in the extreme to leave
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 14:33:46 GMT
The EU won't allow us to cherry pick our terms of membership , they know full well we won't vote to leave either Don't you mean won't be allowed to leave? It would be suicidle fraise as I'm sure you know , the country will haemorrhage jobs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:36:14 GMT
Good point , but these people are also the ones who are likely to stay in and watch Corrie if it's raining on Polling day .... Whereas 'The Blue Rinsers ' from Home Counties South with £400,000 in the bank plus a good pension will drag themselves out no matter what it takes . They have significantly more to lose . It's not rocket science is it ? True but there are few with that kind of money and are far outnumbered by the poor who hate the EU and the things they stand for, so if only a percentage vote it could be enough to swing it. Yes , but the average man in the street does not appreciate what vast amounts of cash that is generated by the Banks and Insurance industries being based in this country . If we we were to leave the EU this would mean that the Euro zone would effectively prize all this from our grasp,and base it all in Brussels or Berlin . A closed shop unanimously agreed by all its members apart from one ....Us ! That's why we cannot afford to go it alone . These two sectors are worth more than several African countries GDP on their own ....!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:39:04 GMT
True but there are few with that kind of money and are far outnumbered by the poor who hate the EU and the things they stand for, so if only a percentage vote it could be enough to swing it. Yes , but the average man in the street does not appreciate what vast amounts of cash that is generated by the Banks and Insurance industries being based in this country . If we we were to leave the EU this would mean that the Euro zone would effectively prize all this from our grasp,and base it all in Brussels or Berlin . A closed shop unanimously agreed by all its members apart from one ....Us ! That's why we cannot afford to go it alone . These two sectors are worth more than several African countries GDP on their own ....! I know but the average pisshead dunna care so will vote for other reasons, i.e. to stop immigrants coming over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:40:22 GMT
The only way that Britain could ever come out of the EU smelling of roses is if it all collapsed and all countries abandoned it ....
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