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Post by Linx on Mar 28, 2015 15:38:02 GMT
Stoke every time. After the last World Cup débacle, I'm pretty much done with England.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 28, 2015 16:37:27 GMT
Watching the bore fest last night, which I endured for the first 15 minutes, just confirms for me that england are way, way short of a team likely to bring anything but embarrassment again in the Euros next year. The Jizzfest regarding their 7 game winning streak and Rooneys statement in the press this morning that we are now a team to be feared. Really.....seven games against Norway ranked 70th, Scotland ranked 39th, Estonia ranked 87th, Lithuania ranked 94th, Slovenia ranked 48th and San Marino ranked 181st hardly gives any reason for hope. The Slight glimmer of hope was beating Switzerland who are ranked above england in 12th. So back to the OPs question Stoke would come first followed by Coronation Street. In fact I'd rather watch Nothing than endure England's team of mediocre, overpaid players led by a deluded coach who thinks we are making progress.
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 28, 2015 17:35:12 GMT
Without hesitation I'd be down Stoke.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 28, 2015 17:41:44 GMT
If England were playing in a World Cup quarter final or similar I would be glued to the England game without a doubt. So would most of those giving it the Stoke through and through big one
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 18:02:47 GMT
Stoke. I have no connection with England at all. I haven't watched any games since South Africa. I simply can't watch hyped up "world class" players simply fail time and time again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 19:18:39 GMT
Daft Question
England disenfranchased me some years ago
Always Stoke (unless Wrexham are playing (for those who cant get over a fella watching a non league team every now and again )
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Post by RAF on Mar 28, 2015 19:33:22 GMT
I used to follow England all over, but even the 1990 World cup never came close to supporting Stoke. I'm completely disenfranchised from the England set up. I can't bring myself to hate them like some do and I do want them to do well, but I can only describe how I feel about them at present a 'meh'. I'm English and proud, but I'm a Stokie first and foremost.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Mar 28, 2015 19:45:32 GMT
Was it Euros 2008 we didn't qualify for? That was a pretty all time low. Stoke everytime.
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Post by RAF on Mar 28, 2015 19:50:26 GMT
Was it Euros 2008 we didn't qualify for? That was a pretty all time low. Stoke everytime. That and the 94 World Cup were massive disappointments! H
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 28, 2015 19:51:42 GMT
Ok - here's the ultimate (theoretical) club v country question (for a Stokie).
With a little poetic licence; England v Wales. 92nd minute. Shawcross scores for Wales to put the sheep shagging mob one up.
Do you cheer?
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Mar 28, 2015 20:08:16 GMT
Was it Euros 2008 we didn't qualify for? That was a pretty all time low. Stoke everytime. That and the 94 World Cup were massive disappointments! H I still think our best chance was with Sven. I thought he was good for England.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Mar 28, 2015 20:09:50 GMT
Ok - here's the ultimate (theoretical) club v country question (for a Stokie). With a little poetic licence; England v Wales. 92nd minute. Shawcross scores for Wales to put the sheep shagging mob one up. Do you cheer? Nope, I wouldn't cheer any of our players knocking us out,.
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Post by rednwhite43 on Mar 28, 2015 20:16:14 GMT
I used to be a mad england fan back in the eighties but stoke always have and always will be my no 1to be honest I stuggle to get up for an England game now, italia 90 now that was a tournament to remember.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 20:25:08 GMT
Ok - here's the ultimate (theoretical) club v country question (for a Stokie). With a little poetic licence; England v Wales. 92nd minute. Shawcross scores for Wales to put the sheep shagging mob one up. Do you cheer? Part of me would definitely do a bit of a fist pump; probably my fist.
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 28, 2015 21:51:18 GMT
Ok - here's the ultimate (theoretical) club v country question (for a Stokie). With a little poetic licence; England v Wales. 92nd minute. Shawcross scores for Wales to put the sheep shagging mob one up. Do you cheer? Hell yes, what is there to like about world football or England(FIFA/FA etc) 30,000 people gave up a large part of their life savings to watch England play in South Africa only to be a abused by a fat overpaid/overrated toss-pot, who thinks he is above criticism and who should never have been allowed to pull on an England shirt again after that incident - instead we make him captain. Give me 1 reason why I should NOT cheer. Also I like the welsh and sheep
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Post by outspaced on Mar 29, 2015 4:05:48 GMT
Mad to think that when England failed to qualify for Euro 2008 on that wet November night at Wembley against Croatia that Stoke were ambling along around the play off places. Fast forward to when the tournament started we were preparing for our first season in the Prem!
The national team meant bugger all to me then.
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Post by ursems2boots on Mar 29, 2015 8:53:18 GMT
Club without a shadow of a doubt, didn't know, care or watch England's Friday nights bore fest - sums it up for me...did they win against the Lithuanian part timers?
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 8:57:20 GMT
England have had some relatively poor tournaments so some fans lose interest, if Stoke were relegated to the Championship ten thousand fans would probably do the same, that's football or as some say the glory hunters go away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 9:32:32 GMT
Too right Geoff. And all the anti-England mob on this board need to hang their traitorous heads in shame. We may be a failure at international level and some of our players may come across as tossers according to some,but this is your national team you're talking about here. I get that some folk are pissed off with the football we have had to endure but to suggest things like celebrating if Ryan played for Wales and he scored against us is nothing short of a disgrace.
I too am in the Stoke first camp by the way,but I will always watch the England games and want us to win every game regardless of how shit we might be.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 29, 2015 10:13:32 GMT
Too right Geoff. And all the anti-England mob on this board need to hang their traitorous heads in shame. We may be a failure at international level and some of our players may come across as tossers according to some,but this is your national team you're talking about here. I get that some folk are pissed off with the football we have had to endure but to suggest things like celebrating if Ryan played for Wales and he scored against us is nothing short of a disgrace. I too am in the Stoke first camp by the way,but I will always watch the England games and want us to win every game regardless of how shit we might be. I don't see the difference between saying 'I don't watch England because they're rubbish' and 'I support Man Utd over Stoke because they win loads'. That said, outside of tournaments I feel less enthused about England than ever before. I can't put my finger on why.
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Post by Bagwash on Mar 29, 2015 10:22:01 GMT
Too right Geoff. And all the anti-England mob on this board need to hang their traitorous heads in shame. We may be a failure at international level and some of our players may come across as tossers according to some,but this is your national team you're talking about here. I get that some folk are pissed off with the football we have had to endure but to suggest things like celebrating if Ryan played for Wales and he scored against us is nothing short of a disgrace. I too am in the Stoke first camp by the way,but I will always watch the England games and want us to win every game regardless of how shit we might be. I don't see the difference between saying 'I don't watch England because they're rubbish' and 'I support Man Utd over Stoke because they win loads'. That said, outside of tournaments I feel less enthused about England than ever before. I can't put my finger on why. I feel the same matey.I have never felt as disinterested in England as I do now. On the club or country question its a no brainer for me,club every time.In fact if it was a choice between England winning the World Cup or 3 points for Stoke then I would take the three points.(Honest)
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Post by upthefud on Mar 29, 2015 16:03:11 GMT
England have had some relatively poor tournaments so some fans lose interest, if Stoke were relegated to the Championship ten thousand fans would probably do the same, that's football or as some say the glory hunters go away. Strongly disagree. England have never been any good in my lifetime but I've never been less enthused. I went out of my way to miss to Lithuania game for the first time and won't watch Italy either. Conversely I was brought up on lower league football and would never contemplate turning my back on my club. There's no pride in the England set up, no new ideas, constant media over-hyping us, the majority of the players are arseholes, same players selected regardless of form ect ect. There are so many reasons why England are a turn off
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 16:23:42 GMT
I never claimed you would turn your back on Stoke, but almost certainly 10,000 or so would in the event of relegation. It is not surprising some fans are turned off by England performances at tournaments because fans obviously want to see good performances and victories.
The so called lack of pride in the England set up is hardly helped by clubs not releasing players for games because of mystery injuries. The media hype has always been there and I would believe England players are the same in terms of character as players from other countries, regarding the selection of the same players regardless of form this is clearly another reference to Ryan.
It strikes me upthefud that you may be one of the supporters who allows your dislike of certain clubs players to influence your support for your country, but that's your choice.
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Post by skip on Mar 29, 2015 16:58:38 GMT
England have had some relatively poor tournaments so some fans lose interest, if Stoke were relegated to the Championship ten thousand fans would probably do the same, that's football or as some say the glory hunters go away. How you can accuse any Stoke fan of being a glory hunter is beyond me. Anyhoo, England haven't just 'relatively poor' in some tournaments, they must be in the top three under performing footballing nations of all time. Utterly hopeless. And to think that a fair few football fans at club level who want England to do well, possibly, just possibly, are articulate and sentient enough to see this and don't turn their backs on England because they've been 'relatively poor', but because the overpaid bottlers who have represented England for the last two decades aren't exactly a bunch who you enjoy cheering on.
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Post by skip on Mar 29, 2015 17:00:11 GMT
England have had some relatively poor tournaments so some fans lose interest, if Stoke were relegated to the Championship ten thousand fans would probably do the same, that's football or as some say the glory hunters go away. Strongly disagree. England have never been any good in my lifetime but I've never been less enthused. I went out of my way to miss to Lithuania game for the first time and won't watch Italy either. Conversely I was brought up on lower league football and would never contemplate turning my back on my club. There's no pride in the England set up, no new ideas, constant media over-hyping us, the majority of the players are arseholes, same players selected regardless of form ect ect.
There are so many reasons why England are a turn off <emoji pointing up at the emboldened bit above> This.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 17:23:58 GMT
You refer to overpaid bottlers skip, but that is down to the clubs and nothing to do with the F.A., I think that England players donate their match fees to charity.
The level of pay English players receive from their clubs is down in the main to T.V. money, but pay doesn't mean that players will automatically be better, in other words Sterling getting £50k per week doesn't mean he's going to be better than Stan who probably got £20, it's simply down to the fans who are prepared to pay for television, entrance fees and merchandise.
I found it a bit difficult to understand the point you were trying to make, but I've tried to answer what I think you meant.
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Post by upthefud on Mar 29, 2015 17:42:08 GMT
I never claimed you would turn your back on Stoke, but almost certainly 10,000 or so would in the event of relegation. It is not surprising some fans are turned off by England performances at tournaments because fans obviously want to see good performances and victories. The so called lack of pride in the England set up is hardly helped by clubs not releasing players for games because of mystery injuries. The media hype has always been there and I would believe England players are the same in terms of character as players from other countries, regarding the selection of the same players regardless of form this is clearly another reference to Ryan. It strikes me upthefud that you may be one of the supporters who allows your dislike of certain clubs players to influence your support for your country, but that's your choice. Possibly so, but as Stoke are my priority I feel it necessary to really dislike Danny Rose for example. How can you expect anyone to switch their feelings off when he's diving around the pitch in an England shirt for example? It's hard to support twats who've scorned your club. Not just Shawcross. Dyer at Swansea should be ahead of Townsend. Austin should get a look in, Cattermole should get a look in... There are several English players who aren't picked whilst players ahead of them sit on the bench for their clubs. Edit: I don't think Butland should be in the squad. My Shawcross bias is because he's better than Smalling not because he plays for Stoke.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 30, 2015 6:26:05 GMT
As the capacity for empathy and to reason separates humans from animals international football from lots of other sports.
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Post by boothenesque on Mar 30, 2015 7:05:09 GMT
I think I'd rather watch Vile than England. To see them lose of course...
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Post by foster on Mar 30, 2015 8:47:59 GMT
Club.
Though I wouldn't in any case be wanting England to lose (in relation to the above Shawcross question).
I just don't give a shit about watching England anymore. Whereas I throw a strop every time the Mrs plans something on a match day. She booked some flights for holiday next weekend and the first thing I asked her was why she booked them at the same time as the game v Chelsea.
The media hype surrounding England probably doesn't help , nor comments like 'Teams are scared of us'. We're average on the international stage and it's about time the media accept that. As most fans have.
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