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Post by cobhamstokey on May 31, 2015 10:42:52 GMT
My big concern is that we don't raise expectations too high and go for players out of our reach on wages and people start getting frustrated when they go elsewhere. I like the way we operate and don't get bullied however it could cost the vast majority of our targets due to our strict wages policy. The good thing is we shouldn't feel under pressure due to our ezcellent season unlike the likes of Sunderland, villa, Newcastle etc who will be panic buying. I guess it's a case of the apples dropping. I guess it's nice to be mentioned alongside Spurs rather than the newly promoted teams though.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 10:45:50 GMT
My big concern is that we don't raise expectations too high and go for players out of our reach on wages and people start getting frustrated when they go elsewhere. I like the way we operate and don't get bullied however it could cost the vast majority of our targets due to our strict wages policy. The good thing is we shouldn't feel under pressure due to our ezcellent season unlike the likes of Sunderland, villa, Newcastle etc who will be panic buying. I guess it's a case of the apples dropping. I guess it's nice to be mentioned alongside Spurs rather than the newly promoted teams though. It's tough to do though isn't it. We'd have to re-evaluate and most likely offer more expensive deals to players like Shawcross and N'Zonzi.
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Post by nutterpotter on May 31, 2015 11:06:00 GMT
Nixon said anything today?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 31, 2015 11:13:18 GMT
Nixon said anything today? AlanNixon @reluctantnickomorning Nicko, is it true that Kono will be in Stoke this week to finalise move and that we want Deulofeu instead of AfellayOnly know Konoplyanka thing looking good. Not aware of other two. Also want Cattermole. But that's expensive.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 11:15:42 GMT
The Peter Coates Sentinel piece last week was very telling. Previously, both Coates and Hughes have said that money will be available for the right player.
Slight changing of wording in this piece in saying that the manager will be backed if finances allow.
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Post by mrcoke on May 31, 2015 11:17:49 GMT
My big concern is that we don't raise expectations too high and go for players out of our reach on wages and people start getting frustrated when they go elsewhere. I like the way we operate and don't get bullied however it could cost the vast majority of our targets due to our strict wages policy. The good thing is we shouldn't feel under pressure due to our ezcellent season unlike the likes of Sunderland, villa, Newcastle etc who will be panic buying. I guess it's a case of the apples dropping. I guess it's nice to be mentioned alongside Spurs rather than the newly promoted teams though. It's tough to do though isn't it. We'd have to re-evaluate and most likely offer more expensive deals to players like Shawcross and N'Zonzi. This reiterates my post on the recent N'Zonzi thread, that IMO it is time for PC to raise the bar and close the gap with clubs like Newcastle on wages so that there is no pecuniary advantage for players to move to or chose those clubs over Stoke. Of course we can never match the top 6 Prem clubs but we need to be the best of the rest. Last summer players like Riviere choosing to go elsewhere didn't harm us because we were fortunate to capture Bojan and Diouf, but that is not sustainable. Top priority right now is not only to secure a winger and a top class RB, but also to keep talent like N'Zonzi and Begovic. In a way keeping the crown jewels is more important as it maintains continuity and team spirit; new players take time to settle in and until they do team synergy is disrupted.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on May 31, 2015 11:22:42 GMT
The Peter Coates Sentinel piece last week was very telling. Previously, both Coates and Hughes have said that money will be available for the right player. Slight changing of wording in this piece in saying that the manager will be backed if finances allow. I know spending money doesn't guaratee success however we really can't afford to stand still. Others will spend especially with this new TV deal.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 31, 2015 11:47:59 GMT
It's tough to do though isn't it. We'd have to re-evaluate and most likely offer more expensive deals to players like Shawcross and N'Zonzi. This reiterates my post on the recent N'Zonzi thread, that IMO it is time for PC to raise the bar and close the gap with clubs like Newcastle on wages so that there is no pecuniary advantage for players to move to or chose those clubs over Stoke. Of course we can never match the top 6 Prem clubs but we need to be the best of the rest. Last summer players like Riviere choosing to go elsewhere didn't harm us because we were fortunate to capture Bojan and Diouf, but that is not sustainable. Top priority right now is not only to secure a winger and a top class RB, but also to keep talent like N'Zonzi and Begovic. In a way keeping the crown jewels is more important as it maintains continuity and team spirit; new players take time to settle in and until they do team synergy is disrupted. I really rate Bego, but I think the time has come for us to cash in on him! £12M+ and we really should sell as we have England's biggest goalkeeping talent waiting for his chance. He showed in the 3 games he got that we have nothing to worry about! Jack Butland to be our number one for years we hope!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 12:03:24 GMT
The Peter Coates Sentinel piece last week was very telling. Previously, both Coates and Hughes have said that money will be available for the right player. Slight changing of wording in this piece in saying that the manager will be backed if finances allow. I know spending money doesn't guaratee success however we really can't afford to stand still. Others will spend especially with this new TV deal. We need to invest a sensible amount of money in the next few season's to bring down the average age of the squad. By the time next season finishes, the average age of the squad as it stands will look thus: GK - 25 (including the new guy) - pretty good. DF - 28 (not including Huth). MF - 30 AT - 31 It's clear to see where we need strengthening just to stand still for the following few years and it's clear where younger legs are required. It's harder, but still possible, to do that with limited funds but the risks to the first team are far greater if it doesn't go right.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on May 31, 2015 12:26:43 GMT
I know spending money doesn't guaratee success however we really can't afford to stand still. Others will spend especially with this new TV deal. We need to invest a sensible amount of money in the next few season's to bring down the average age of the squad. By the time next season finishes, the average age of the squad as it stands will look thus: GK - 25 (including the new guy) - pretty good. DF - 28 (not including Huth). MF - 30 AT - 31 It's clear to see where we need strengthening just to stand still for the following few years and it's clear where younger legs are required. It's harder, but still possible, to do that with limited funds but the risks to the first team are far greater if it doesn't go right. I just wonder if the likes of Crouch and probably Odemwingie are being signed up to longer contracts just incase we don't manage to get the players in we want.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2015 12:30:39 GMT
From what I can remember of Hughes at other clubs he tends to sign a decent mixture of old and young. I know QPR fans threw it at him and Fulham seemed to have an old side too. But so far with us I think he's got the balance nice. But we do need a few younger bods.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 31, 2015 13:07:09 GMT
Alan Nixon@reluctantnicko what's the latest on Yevhen Konoplyanka and his move to Stoke Club hopes he is over next week. They seem a lot more relaxed and patient than their punters ... Have Stoke agreed anything with Konoplyanka and do you how far down the line stoke are with negotiations with him and agent It was all agreed in Ukraine over a week ago ... like the story said. It just needs him signing the contract.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2015 13:08:33 GMT
Haha!
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Post by Cast no shadow on May 31, 2015 13:10:21 GMT
From what I can remember of Hughes at other clubs he tends to sign a decent mixture of old and young. I know QPR fans threw it at him and Fulham seemed to have an old side too. But so far with us I think he's got the balance nice. But we do need a few younger bods. As much as he is doing a cracking job i would also like see some more English players, but their price's are over inflated in the current market
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2015 13:13:58 GMT
From what I can remember of Hughes at other clubs he tends to sign a decent mixture of old and young. I know QPR fans threw it at him and Fulham seemed to have an old side too. But so far with us I think he's got the balance nice. But we do need a few younger bods. As much as he is doing a cracking job i would also like see some more English players, but their price's are over inflated in the current market That doesn't bother me tbh. It would be nice for the reason you suggest it isn't going to happen unless they're the bargain basements sorts we've got in (Ireland, Bardsley, Sidwell), only one English I know but all domestic players.
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Post by feynmann2 on May 31, 2015 13:17:17 GMT
As much as he is doing a cracking job i would also like see some more English players, but their price's are over inflated in the current market That doesn't bother me tbh. It would be nice for the reason you suggest it isn't going to happen unless they're the bargain basements sorts we've got in (Ireland, Bardsley, Sidwell), only one English I know but all domestic players. Trippier & Austin will add to our english count wont they?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2015 13:21:14 GMT
That doesn't bother me tbh. It would be nice for the reason you suggest it isn't going to happen unless they're the bargain basements sorts we've got in (Ireland, Bardsley, Sidwell), only one English I know but all domestic players. Trippier & Austin will add to our english count wont they? They would but I can't see either joining tbh. Not sure we need Austin either.
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Post by feynmann2 on May 31, 2015 13:28:46 GMT
Trippier & Austin will add to our english count wont they? They would but I can't see either joining tbh. Not sure we need Austin either. Biggest disappointment this window will be if we cant secure Trippier given our location and ambition to be honest...Austin, Diouf & Crouch will give us multiple ways to skin a cat given we're likely to have more and more teams sit back and defend at the Brit next season - difficult not to be interested in an 18 goal a season striker if he's available for the right money - particularly when the talk is of £30m for Benteke
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Post by robstokie on May 31, 2015 13:33:30 GMT
They would but I can't see either joining tbh. Not sure we need Austin either. Biggest disappointment this window will be if we cant secure Trippier given our location and ambition to be honest...Austin, Diouf & Crouch will give us multiple ways to skin a cat given we're likely to have more and more teams sit back and defend at the Brit next season - difficult not to be interested in an 18 goal a season striker if he's available for the right money - particularly when the talk is of £30m for Benteke Trippier is a realistic target. He was one of Burnleys best players last season, and he will want to stay in the premier league. Considering how close we are to Burnley, the small fact we need an upgrade at right back, and the fact that we can offer regular football, we should be getting him in. As for Austin, just sit back and watch some top 6 clubs go to war over him. It would be nice to bring him in, but I don't think he will want to come here if the likes of Spurs and Liverpool are waving silly money in his face.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2015 13:35:41 GMT
They would but I can't see either joining tbh. Not sure we need Austin either. Biggest disappointment this window will be if we cant secure Trippier given our location and ambition to be honest...Austin, Diouf & Crouch will give us multiple ways to skin a cat given we're likely to have more and more teams sit back and defend at the Brit next season - difficult not to be interested in an 18 goal a season striker if he's available for the right money - particularly when the talk is of £30m for Benteke Agreed re Trippier, I just think he'll go somewhere better. Can a club who are clearly run on a budget and play with one man up front afford three strikers who are all going to be close to their top earner? It just isn't going to happen.
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Post by theteacher on May 31, 2015 13:38:42 GMT
We need to invest a sensible amount of money in the next few season's to bring down the average age of the squad. By the time next season finishes, the average age of the squad as it stands will look thus: GK - 25 (including the new guy) - pretty good. DF - 28 (not including Huth). MF - 30 AT - 31 It's clear to see where we need strengthening just to stand still for the following few years and it's clear where younger legs are required. It's harder, but still possible, to do that with limited funds but the risks to the first team are far greater if it doesn't go right. I just wonder if the likes of Crouch and probably Odemwingie are being signed up to longer contracts just incase we don't manage to get the players in we want. Re-signing players like Crouch allow the "available" transfer budget to be spent of fewer players with a higher quality - rather than having to spread it thin. Doesn't mean that we can not sell them (Crouch) if a sufficient transfer fee was offered but we have a stable position, one where we are in control.
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Post by feynmann2 on May 31, 2015 13:49:15 GMT
Biggest disappointment this window will be if we cant secure Trippier given our location and ambition to be honest...Austin, Diouf & Crouch will give us multiple ways to skin a cat given we're likely to have more and more teams sit back and defend at the Brit next season - difficult not to be interested in an 18 goal a season striker if he's available for the right money - particularly when the talk is of £30m for Benteke Agreed re Trippier, I just think he'll go somewhere better. Can a club who are clearly run on a budget and play with one man up front afford three strikers who are all going to be close to their top earner? It just isn't going to happen. With Trippier I'm just not sure where 'better' is if he wants to stay local...unless you buy into Tactics Tim's revolution at Villa Striker are always the highest paid and given we are losing Palacios off the wage bill I think we could potentially support it... the way I see wages are Tommy plus Bego for Konoplyanka and/or Affelay, Wilko for Wollscheid, Palacios for a striker and then any youngsters from Barca/Argentina are the expansion of the wage bill...
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Post by Plave on May 31, 2015 13:50:07 GMT
Trippier is going to bigger than us, he'd start at any premier league club outside the top 3
Man Utd (although they may get Alves), Liverpool, Spurs and more are all actively seeking a right back.
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Post by chuckrocky on May 31, 2015 13:59:05 GMT
Trippier is going to bigger than us, he'd start at any premier league club outside the top 3Man Utd (although they may get Alves), Liverpool, Spurs and more are all actively seeking a right back. I'm sure fans of Southampton, Everton and Newcastle would disagree.
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Post by feynmann2 on May 31, 2015 14:00:10 GMT
Trippier is going to bigger than us, he'd start at any premier league club outside the top 3 Man Utd (although they may get Alves), Liverpool, Spurs and more are all actively seeking a right back. As you say Man U are looking for big names with experience, Spurs, Southampton and Swansea are not 'local' and Liverpool is currently a disaster waiting to happen who I hope we might consider a stretch target for finishing above next year so I'm sticking to who is better if he wants to stay local
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:09:10 GMT
My big concern is that we don't raise expectations too high and go for players out of our reach on wages and people start getting frustrated when they go elsewhere. I like the way we operate and don't get bullied however it could cost the vast majority of our targets due to our strict wages policy. The good thing is we shouldn't feel under pressure due to our ezcellent season unlike the likes of Sunderland, villa, Newcastle etc who will be panic buying. I guess it's a case of the apples dropping. I guess it's nice to be mentioned alongside Spurs rather than the newly promoted teams though. Bigger frustration is that we miss out on them if we could have got them. It'll be big task to move any higher,and if we don't pursue with this ambition, such task becomes much harder
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Post by nott1 on May 31, 2015 15:47:54 GMT
Trippier is going to bigger than us, he'd start at any premier league club outside the top 3 Man Utd (although they may get Alves), Liverpool, Spurs and more are all actively seeking a right back. As you say Man U are looking for big names with experience, Spurs, Southampton and Swansea are not 'local' and Liverpool is currently a disaster waiting to happen who I hope we might consider a stretch target for finishing above next year so I'm sticking to who is better if he wants to stay local Not much ambition if he only wants to stay local has he!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 15:51:05 GMT
Hull spent £40m plus last summer - many on here very jealous - they got relegated - now stuck with 'named' players on wages costing fortunes
Everton - spunked £25m on a single player - still finished below us
the lessons are there and our model is working
As far as this summer is concerned - Im hoping for 2 -3 more quality signings unearthed at the right price that dont disrupt our existing wage structure
and, we hang onto / re-sign our existing quality players with 2 -3 of them being recognised as world class and - irreplaceable
and Im sure our current management team and scouting network can continue their good work so as to ensure we get into the really big money at the end of next season
Why! - we might even be able to afford filling a corner in as well
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Post by jeycov on May 31, 2015 15:55:47 GMT
As you say Man U are looking for big names with experience, Spurs, Southampton and Swansea are not 'local' and Liverpool is currently a disaster waiting to happen who I hope we might consider a stretch target for finishing above next year so I'm sticking to who is better if he wants to stay local Not much ambition if he only wants to stay local has he! Can't deny that there are top clubs locally for him - they can offer European football but a regular place in their starting 11? He would be a good buy, English RB, developed through Man City academy when Mark Hughes was there!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 16:03:26 GMT
Nixon said anything today? AlanNixon @reluctantnickomorning Nicko, is it true that Kono will be in Stoke this week to finalise move and that we want Deulofeu instead of AfellayOnly know Konoplyanka thing looking good. Not aware of other two. Also want Cattermole. But that's expensive. Cattermole would be a very good addition.
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