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Post by Fenparkpotter on Apr 10, 2015 9:03:45 GMT
Seems a great idea if you can get any support from the club to get it off the ground. Sort of thing that shows we lack the knowledge of how these sort of things work. Perhaps get some help from Orlando City? Good luck folks Perhaps Phil Rawlins would be interested in lending a hand!
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Post by Northy on Apr 10, 2015 9:21:47 GMT
stokemanusa - are you affiliated with GIS? I should get in touch with them about affiliating with my local organization - CASL. For the longest time they were sponsored by Chelsea. The complex had a big f*** off 30' x 30' Chelsea sign and cars everywhere with CASL bumper stickers plastered with the Chelsea badge on it. The relationship has ended so would be great to turn this part of North Carolina into a Stokie haven. Is Cape Fear area soccer still going? I played against them in 85
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 10, 2015 16:08:12 GMT
stokemanusa - are you affiliated with GIS? I should get in touch with them about affiliating with my local organization - CASL. For the longest time they were sponsored by Chelsea. The complex had a big f*** off 30' x 30' Chelsea sign and cars everywhere with CASL bumper stickers plastered with the Chelsea badge on it. The relationship has ended so would be great to turn this part of North Carolina into a Stokie haven. Is Cape Fear area soccer still going? I played against them in 85 I Thought you had a touch of de Nero about you
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2015 18:30:06 GMT
How does it work though? We can't get permits for fully fledged internationals, how do you get one for an American kid? www.globalimagesports.com/02/overseas-opportunities-for-young-soccer-players/Basically, get paid to go to school, get in the academy prove your worth to say the US National side in under -21's outside of club development and get a permit, or you can go the EU route and get in quicker... So it's bloody hard then. But there must be a way of doing it, we have 3/4 Aussies in the academy and they've got permits. However, I'm guess Skapetis and Makrillos may have Greek passports? Kurasik sounds Eastern European so he may have a passport from wherever his ancestors are from? And then there's Chris Marques....dunno! But there is a lot of them!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 10, 2015 19:08:31 GMT
So it's bloody hard then. But there must be a way of doing it, we have 3/4 Aussies in the academy and they've got permits. However, I'm guess Skapetis and Makrillos may have Greek passports? Kurasik sounds Eastern European so he may have a passport from wherever his ancestors are from? And then there's Chris Marques....dunno! But there is a lot of them! Do they need work permits whilst they are in the Academy? If they are not on professional contracts they are not technically working - I think!
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Post by mailman44 on Apr 10, 2015 19:15:23 GMT
Bayern (1860) you little scrote! Stop hijacking our thread with your inane ramblings about academies.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2015 19:17:59 GMT
So it's bloody hard then. But there must be a way of doing it, we have 3/4 Aussies in the academy and they've got permits. However, I'm guess Skapetis and Makrillos may have Greek passports? Kurasik sounds Eastern European so he may have a passport from wherever his ancestors are from? And then there's Chris Marques....dunno! But there is a lot of them! Do they need work permits whilst they are in the Academy? If they are not on professional contracts they are not technically working - I think! They get paid though and they'd need some form of permit.....but I have no idea. There'd be no point surely though if as soon as they turned pro they need a permit because they wouldn't get one. Makrillos and Skapetis both turned pro with no issue (that we know of).
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Post by kustokie on Apr 10, 2015 19:23:47 GMT
Do they need work permits whilst they are in the Academy? If they are not on professional contracts they are not technically working - I think! They get paid though and they'd need some form of permit.....but I have no idea. There'd be no point surely though if as soon as they turned pro they need a permit because they wouldn't get one. Makrillos and Skapetis both turned pro with no issue (that we know of). There are special visas/work permits for athletes working in the US. Don't know anything about it except that golfers and other visiting athletes have to get them. Check US Immigration and Naturalization Website.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2015 19:44:53 GMT
They get paid though and they'd need some form of permit.....but I have no idea. There'd be no point surely though if as soon as they turned pro they need a permit because they wouldn't get one. Makrillos and Skapetis both turned pro with no issue (that we know of). There are special visas/work permits for athletes working in the US. Don't know anything about it except that golfers and other visiting athletes have to get them. Check US Immigration and Naturalization Website. We're on about for if/when America youngsters would want to come to the UK to join the Stoke academy.
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Post by mccfred on Apr 10, 2015 20:28:10 GMT
Im up
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Post by kustokie on Apr 10, 2015 21:04:02 GMT
There are special visas/work permits for athletes working in the US. Don't know anything about it except that golfers and other visiting athletes have to get them. Check US Immigration and Naturalization Website. We're on about for if/when America youngsters would want to come to the UK to join the Stoke academy. sorry should have read the whole thread. However, there are probably similar/reciprocal arrangements for athletes going the other direction e.g. US golfers playing tournaments in the UK
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Post by stokefaninde on Apr 11, 2015 2:45:04 GMT
There are special visas/work permits for athletes working in the US. Don't know anything about it except that golfers and other visiting athletes have to get them. Check US Immigration and Naturalization Website. We're on about for if/when America youngsters would want to come to the UK to join the Stoke academy. I'm very interested to know more about this. Planning it with my own son. Of course he is 3.... And his first football camp doesn't start until tomorrow. Evidently the coaches running the camp are English so at least he starts off on the right foot!
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 11, 2015 4:03:45 GMT
We're on about for if/when America youngsters would want to come to the UK to join the Stoke academy. I'm very interested to know more about this. Â Planning it with my own son. Â Of course he is 3.... And his first football camp doesn't start until tomorrow. Â Â Evidently the coaches running the camp are English so at least he starts off on the right foot! Â Can he play the mama role?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 9:05:16 GMT
To those who fail to recognise we (Stoke City) are a world wide brand- with global marketing potential
- can you imagine this thread even existing but a few short years ago ?
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Post by stokefaninde on Apr 11, 2015 11:43:48 GMT
I'm very interested to know more about this. Â Planning it with my own son. Â Of course he is 3.... And his first football camp doesn't start until tomorrow. Â Â Evidently the coaches running the camp are English so at least he starts off on the right foot! Â Can he play the mama role? I am around the same height as Mama so he may be able to "grow" into the role.
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Post by mailman44 on Apr 11, 2015 13:20:40 GMT
Quick update lads:
Angela is going back to "the club" to see if we can work something out. More to follow ....
Does anybody have an issue with us extending honorary membership to Waggy?
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Post by mailman44 on Apr 16, 2015 19:41:23 GMT
Ok lads,
Just heard back from Angela:
Hi I spoke with Adrian yesterday and official clubs will continue to be formed using the current criteria. Unofficial clubs of course can be organised in the way that the founders consider appropriate. Best wishes Regards
So basically the club has no interest in us or our support as a North American entity. As much as I feel like dropping a bollocks in the sink over this (as if I was on an away day at the Bolyen Ground) I am going to refrain from getting any more emotionally involved. Love is a two way street so since the club doesn't love us ....
Finish that previous sentence as you wish, I am done. I am done neglecting my family for Stoke and dropping a hefty wedge at the club shop every year. It has been great getting to know some of you over the years and if you are ever in Tampa let me know and I'll buy you lot a pint or two at my local.
Peace out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 19:44:29 GMT
Ok lads, Just heard back from Angela: Hi I spoke with Adrian yesterday and official clubs will continue to be formed using the current criteria. Unofficial clubs of course can be organised in the way that the founders consider appropriate. Best wishes Regards So basically the club has no interest in us or our support as a North American entity. As much as I feel like dropping a bollocks in the sink over this (as if I was on an away day at the Bolyen Ground) I am going to refrain from getting any more emotionally involved. Love is a two way street so since the club doesn't love us .... Finish that previous sentence as you wish, I am done. I am done neglecting my family for Stoke and dropping a hefty wedge at the club shop every year. It has been great getting to know some of you over the years and if you are ever in Tampa let me know and I'll buy you lot a pint or two at my local. Peace out. I have to say thats an appaling way to treat an emerging support overseas and it for me shows how second rate the club are in some ways.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 19:51:03 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 16, 2015 19:56:24 GMT
Ok lads, Just heard back from Angela: Hi I spoke with Adrian yesterday and official clubs will continue to be formed using the current criteria. Unofficial clubs of course can be organised in the way that the founders consider appropriate.
Best wishes Regards So basically the club has no interest in us or our support as a North American entity. As much as I feel like dropping a bollocks in the sink over this (as if I was on an away day at the Bolyen Ground) I am going to refrain from getting any more emotionally involved. Love is a two way street so since the club doesn't love us .... Finish that previous sentence as you wish, I am done. I am done neglecting my family for Stoke and dropping a hefty wedge at the club shop every year. It has been great getting to know some of you over the years and if you are ever in Tampa let me know and I'll buy you lot a pint or two at my local. Peace out. Mailman - I have 100% sympathy with your point of view. Two questions - if you can help me. First: Could you tell us why the club are being so inflexible on this - have they told anyone? And secondly, did Angela give any further feedback (apart from that very brief statement underlined above)including whether she and/or the Supporters Council supported the club in its stance?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2015 19:59:18 GMT
Erm.....China, Denmark, Belgium, Indonesia, Ireland, Luxembourg etc etc are all listed there, what's the problem?
Drop the marvelous Canadians and let them form their own and I can't see how they could have a problem with what's already on there.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 16, 2015 20:12:39 GMT
The club are shocking at this sort of thing. Missing the chance to offer discount codes for merchandise. Help for any overseas tours etc. growing international fan base in America given how footballs growing their should be important, but to be fair I expect nothing less
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 16, 2015 20:25:39 GMT
The club are shocking at this sort of thing. Missing the chance to offer discount codes for merchandise. Help for any overseas tours etc. growing international fan base in America given how footballs growing their should be important, but to be fair I expect nothing less Yes, a poor show by the club - especially in not giving an explanation. But a pretty poor show by the Supporter's Council as well. I can't even work out from Angela's sentence above whether she supported the concept of a North American Club or not - or whether she is happy with the club's reply or not. This is a very sad state of affairs. On the face of it, you'd think the club (and the Supporter's Council) would want to work with the supporters in North America who were trying to make it easier for many fans over there to support our club. Where they felt they could not go along with the fans' wishes you'd think both the club and the Supporters' council would fell obliged to say why. Surely it isn't such a sensitive matter that the reasoning needs to be kept secret?
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 16, 2015 20:26:57 GMT
The club just have no concept of how to function like a modern, social business. Just compare how amateur we are compared to Orlando alone. It's embarrassing
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 16, 2015 20:27:15 GMT
Sorry this hasn't gone the way you planned lads. I wonder if British Columbia had gone it alone, they would have been given official status, being Commonwealth & all!?!
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 16, 2015 20:43:40 GMT
I remember this thread in 08' we had like 5 regular US posters... look at us now. The fortress days are behind us, with the counter attacking days ahead of us... good times!
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 16, 2015 20:44:30 GMT
The club are shocking at this sort of thing. Missing the chance to offer discount codes for merchandise. Help for any overseas tours etc. growing international fan base in America given how footballs growing their should be important, but to be fair I expect nothing less I honestly think they have no clue as to how fast the overseas' fanbase is growing to be honest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2015 20:48:57 GMT
So then why can China have one but the USA can't?
What's the deal there?
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 16, 2015 20:58:01 GMT
Who knows... maybe they have a master plan for each region?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2015 21:04:12 GMT
It's a bit fucking rich though isn't it?
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