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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 16, 2015 12:59:40 GMT
Bayerns football knowledge is based around twitter and football manager. His over inflated self belief of said subject? God knows. Don't you and him read from the same page. Absolutely not. I'm not on Twitter.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 16, 2015 13:05:54 GMT
Don't you and him read from the same page. Absolutely not. I'm not on Twitter.
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 16, 2015 13:16:55 GMT
We need a decent right back, we need another decent option to partner Ryan and we need more pace on the pitch going forward if our counter-attacking tactics are to work. This is not news........
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 16, 2015 15:43:00 GMT
With the crazy injuries we've had to contend with all season, it's bloody amazing that we are anywhere near 8th place. It hasn't happened by accident mind you and we deserve to be where we are. Along with the manager each and every player that has contributed this season needs a 'pat on the back'.
INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE GETTING SLAGGED OFF.
Cameron is asked to fill in here there and everywhere and never gets a settled run in the team and Bardsley has had a bad injury to deal with. It's been a 'stop/start' season for both of them and I'm happy to give them both a little 'slack'.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 16, 2015 16:58:56 GMT
Didn't some Manc fan say about the same on a thread last week ? Yes and it went down really well with everyone, as they really appreciated the input from a 3rd party, who happened to support a different football team. That's because you were totally wrong in your assumptions (as are the Stoke fans saying the same now) because it's based on a handful of people posting on a message board rather than the overwhelming majority of Stoke fans that accept we will win games, lose games, play brilliantly and play like donkeys on various occasions. We're 8th in the table and the vast majority of Stoke fans are delighted, and surprised (given our dreadful injury list this season). The criticism of individuals in certain games is way over the top and restricted to a few posters, as is any criticism of the manager's tactics/team selections etc. You made a very forceful point of pointing the finger at STOKE FANS when this is simply the same thing that happens at every other club (not least yours). The vast majority of Stoke fans are very, very happy with Hughes and the team........ALL OF THEM.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 16, 2015 18:10:07 GMT
And until he was dropped we were in the shit (around October/November) then we started getting points. And Cameron isn't, he was dropped like a stone for his "performances" last year and he isn't a very good footballer. If it wasn't for the injuries he'd be nowhere this season, we have enough cover where he plays bar right back, he's lucky to still be here. No not every player is but I think Cameron is, he's a mighty fine athlete but he's an awfully shit footballer. You're just not getting it are you? Or you're just refusing to acknowledge your error. He's played 25 games and we're having our best season in decades. Therefore your statement is absolute bollocks . There's absolutely no wriggle room on that one, no matter how much you avoid it. And like I've said before it doesn't feel like we're having a good season with the way we have played generally. And indeed until he was dropped we looked dreadful and were flirting with the relegation zone. He was dropped and we went on an excellent run. Coincidence?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 16, 2015 18:11:18 GMT
With the crazy injuries we've had to contend with all season, it's bloody amazing that we are anywhere near 8th place. It hasn't happened by accident mind you and we deserve to be where we are. Along with the manager each and every player that has contributed this season needs a 'pat on the back'. INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE GETTING SLAGGED OFF. Cameron is asked to fill in here there and everywhere and never gets a settled run in the team and Bardsley has had a bad injury to deal with. It's been a 'stop/start' season for both of them and I'm happy to give them both a little 'slack'. When Cameron has had a settled run in the side he looks worse, it's got nothing to do with it!
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 16, 2015 18:43:08 GMT
There's absolutely no need for the overreaction (again) after one dismal performance. I see people are writing players off again ( bayernoatcake) despite it being the same squad of players that took us to 8th, and won 3 on the bounce prior to today's match. Why is there always the need to declare players, or the team, world beaters when we win a couple, and then jump off the cliff after a bad day at the office? Of course the squad needs strengthening but that will be the case ad finitium. We'll never reach the point where our squad is perfect in all areas. Instead of knee jerk reactions on isolated incidents, let's look at the bigger picture for once. This squad of players, and our manager, are bloody brilliant and the best we've had for decades. Life is good! If the team we'd just lost to was managed by somebody else the over-reaction wouldn't have been so great. The disappointment will pass - always does - and the crowd will be behind the team on Saturday.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 16, 2015 19:11:12 GMT
Yes and it went down really well with everyone, as they really appreciated the input from a 3rd party, who happened to support a different football team. That's because you were totally wrong in your assumptions (as are the Stoke fans saying the same now) because it's based on a handful of people posting on a message board rather than the overwhelming majority of Stoke fans that accept we will win games, lose games, play brilliantly and play like donkeys on various occasions. We're 8th in the table and the vast majority of Stoke fans are delighted, and surprised (given our dreadful injury list this season). The criticism of individuals in certain games is way over the top and restricted to a few posters, as is any criticism of the manager's tactics/team selections etc. You made a very forceful point of pointing the finger at STOKE FANS when this is simply the same thing that happens at every other club (not least yours). The vast majority of Stoke fans are very, very happy with Hughes and the team........ALL OF THEM. But I was referring to the message board posters, not every Stoke fan.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 17, 2015 15:16:06 GMT
With the crazy injuries we've had to contend with all season, it's bloody amazing that we are anywhere near 8th place. It hasn't happened by accident mind you and we deserve to be where we are. Along with the manager each and every player that has contributed this season needs a 'pat on the back'. INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE GETTING SLAGGED OFF. Cameron is asked to fill in here there and everywhere and never gets a settled run in the team and Bardsley has had a bad injury to deal with. It's been a 'stop/start' season for both of them and I'm happy to give them both a little 'slack'. When Cameron has had a settled run in the side he looks worse, it's got nothing to do with it! I think it's got everything to do with it bayern. The players getting most criticised are defenders (Cameron, Bardsley, Wilson). A couple of weeks ago we managed to put out the same team in consecutive games for the first time in 36 games!!!! Our defence has been 'chopped and changed' so much it's a wonder they're not dizzy. We haven't been able to put out anything like a settled defence all season and that's had an obvious effect on several players (including an exceptional goalkeeper). I think, under the circumstances, they have performed miracles and bloody well done to each and every one of them for getting us where we are. I think we're having a quite brilliant season in the most trying of circumstances and NONE of our players are worthy of 'over the top' criticism for their efforts so far IMHO.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2015 16:34:11 GMT
When Cameron has had a settled run in the side he looks worse, it's got nothing to do with it! I think it's got everything to do with it bayern. The players getting most criticised are defenders (Cameron, Bardsley, Wilson). A couple of weeks ago we managed to put out the same team in consecutive games for the first time in 36 games!!!! Our defence has been 'chopped and changed' so much it's a wonder they're not dizzy. We haven't been able to put out anything like a settled defence all season and that's had an obvious effect on several players (including an exceptional goalkeeper). I think, under the circumstances, they have performed miracles and bloody well done to each and every one of them for getting us where we are. I think we're having a quite brilliant season in the most trying of circumstances and NONE of our players are worthy of 'over the top' criticism for their efforts so far IMHO. It's because in the squad they are the worst players (ditto Adam) irrespective of how they are used. It's clear we only really need one of Wilson and Cameron. It's clear Bardsley needs replacing. And it's clear Charlie Adam should be looking for another club because his opportunities are rightfully limited.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 17, 2015 16:55:00 GMT
I think it's got everything to do with it bayern. The players getting most criticised are defenders (Cameron, Bardsley, Wilson). A couple of weeks ago we managed to put out the same team in consecutive games for the first time in 36 games!!!! Our defence has been 'chopped and changed' so much it's a wonder they're not dizzy. We haven't been able to put out anything like a settled defence all season and that's had an obvious effect on several players (including an exceptional goalkeeper). I think, under the circumstances, they have performed miracles and bloody well done to each and every one of them for getting us where we are. I think we're having a quite brilliant season in the most trying of circumstances and NONE of our players are worthy of 'over the top' criticism for their efforts so far IMHO. It's because in the squad they are the worst players (ditto Adam) irrespective of how they are used. It's clear we only really need one of Wilson and Cameron. It's clear Bardsley needs replacing And it's clear Charlie Adam should be looking for another club because his opportunities are rightfully limited. I don't think some of that IS clear though mate. They may, or may not be, the worst players in the squad but we have had to use them all because of our injury problems. If we let one of Wilson/Cameron go then this season has clearly taught us that we need a replacement for the one that leaves since both have been used as full backs when required (however we might rate their performances). Without them, we would have been up shit creek without a paddle. Neither do I think Bardsley needs replacing. He's had a bad injury to contend with and he's one of several in the defence that has suffered from our inability to get a settled defence together. When individuals change week to week it's hard for all of the defenders (and goalkeeper) to gel as a cohesive defensive outfit and I think THAT has been clear. I think we are being far too quick to heap criticism on players that have had a great deal to contend with this season. I agree that Adam should go, but for different reasons to your assessment. I think he needs to go for his own benefit since Hughes clearly favours Ireland (and I agree with him). However, I think Adam has come off the bench and had a positive influence on several games this season but his opportunities would seem limited here now. Edit: My apologies, you made the same point ref Adam.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 17, 2015 17:42:29 GMT
Revelatory stuff on this thread....
Basically we need better players than we have to improve on 8th. No shit sherlock.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 17, 2015 17:46:43 GMT
Revelatory stuff on this thread.... Basically we need better players than we have to improve on 8th. No shit sherlock. Probably, but I don't think that's a good reason to lambast those that have taken us to 8th.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2015 18:18:11 GMT
It's because in the squad they are the worst players (ditto Adam) irrespective of how they are used. It's clear we only really need one of Wilson and Cameron. It's clear Bardsley needs replacing And it's clear Charlie Adam should be looking for another club because his opportunities are rightfully limited. I don't think some of that IS clear though mate. They may, or may not be, the worst players in the squad but we have had to use them all because of our injury problems. If we let one of Wilson/Cameron go then this season has clearly taught us that we need a replacement for the one that leaves since both have been used as full backs when required (however we might rate their performances). Without them, we would have been up shit creek without a paddle. Neither do I think Bardsley needs replacing. He's had a bad injury to contend with and he's one of several in the defence that has suffered from our inability to get a settled defence together. When individuals change week to week it's hard for all of the defenders (and goalkeeper) to gel as a cohesive defensive outfit and I think THAT has been clear. I think we are being far too quick to heap criticism on players that have had a great deal to contend with this season. I agree that Adam should go, but for different reasons to your assessment. I think he needs to go for his own benefit since Hughes clearly favours Ireland (and I agree with him). However, I think Adam has come off the bench and had a positive influence on several games this season but his opportunities would seem limited here now. Edit: My apologies, you made the same point ref Adam. We've had an unprecedentedly bad season for injuries if you take Cameron out of the equation we still have masses of cover at the back (if a right back is added. New Rb Shawcross Muni Pieters Bardsley Wollscheid Wilson That should be plenty of cover at the back in an ordinary season. Bardsley is injury prone, always has been......that's part of the issue with him!
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Mar 17, 2015 18:27:37 GMT
You really think it's about the result today......bless! This is just a continuation of what should've been the policy since January and definitely since we got safe. We're doing ace but they won't be here next season, there's no point in playing them especially Adam. We have a special talent who plays the position Adam plays and that fat useless thing is wasting an excellent chance for him. And if Geoff is coming on at centre back (that was an odd decision in itself) then why not bring Tex on? He's the future surely? He needs a chance surely? Neither have a future here and their presence is wasting chances for others that might do. That annoys me. I couldn't give a fuck about the result, we were always going to lose. I completely agree with this up to a point and that's that players who are seen as having no futures at the club and will be sold in the summer should be given an opportunity to prove that they can be what we need. Apart from that, you're completely right in that we should be giving the younger players a chance and there should be a middle ground where both sets of players get a chance. That being said, there's a line (Palacios).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2015 18:29:38 GMT
You really think it's about the result today......bless! This is just a continuation of what should've been the policy since January and definitely since we got safe. We're doing ace but they won't be here next season, there's no point in playing them especially Adam. We have a special talent who plays the position Adam plays and that fat useless thing is wasting an excellent chance for him. And if Geoff is coming on at centre back (that was an odd decision in itself) then why not bring Tex on? He's the future surely? He needs a chance surely? Neither have a future here and their presence is wasting chances for others that might do. That annoys me. I couldn't give a fuck about the result, we were always going to lose. I completely agree with this up to a point and that's that players who are seen as having no futures at the club and will be sold in the summer should be given an opportunity to prove that they can be what we need. Apart from that, you're completely right in that we should be giving the younger players a chance and there should be a middle ground where both sets of players get a chance. That being said, there's a line (Palacios). I gave up on him about 3 years ago.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2015 12:54:52 GMT
I still think we need to nip it in the bud....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 12:57:07 GMT
I still think we need to nip it in the bud.... It's not like you to miss the point.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2015 12:58:31 GMT
I still think we need to nip it in the bud.... It's not like you to miss the point. Of you being hypocritical? It's just immensely funny, especially side by side....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 13:04:36 GMT
This thread was aimed at hysteria and over reaction. Shit like "if Wilson plays more than 10 games this season we'll be in serious trouble". He does, we have a great season.
The other thread is stating a performance wasn't good enough. Simple as that.
Hope that clears things up, Forest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2015 13:10:55 GMT
We should be a lot higher and once again he showed yesterday why he should be nowhere near the starting XI! And it's been an ok season, could have been better, could have been worse. We played well, there's no need for it!
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