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Post by elystokie on Feb 17, 2015 15:47:38 GMT
Of course there might of been a bit of colourful language going on and some dick head out of the stoke end who never goes to games decides to take his kids and he doesn't like the language so he complains. That's exactly what happened to me. Fucking scum, if you don't like the football atmosphere don't go, simple. So a Father can't take his Son to a football match because of people like you? And you think this Parent is 'fucking scum'? He can take him, as long as he doesn't mind him hearing naughty words he (in all probability) hears in the playground at school. There's always been swearing at Stoke matches, probably always will be. Do agree with you that calling that parent 'scum' is ludicrous tho'.
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Feb 17, 2015 15:48:46 GMT
Several people in our stand never seemed to be looking at the pitch Tbh I wish i'd done that now...
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Post by MrMagic on Feb 17, 2015 16:13:37 GMT
The idea of a police & steward conspiracy to make lovely stoke fans look bad is rediculous. How come it wasn't happening in other blocks then? The police & stewards in the block I was in were sound.
Can't say what went on at the other side of the Darwin stand as I couldn't see, but let's not make out that all our fans are innocent.
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Post by smiler_andy on Feb 17, 2015 16:43:34 GMT
I was working a 12 hr shift and was not able to get to the game even though Ewood Park is about 6 miles away. I was talking to a sales rep who is based in Blackburn and he mentioned that Blackburn supporters had told him that Stoke were refused more tickets, because they could not accommodate the number of coaches Stoke would be putting on for free travel. Though I thought the free travel was just for Premier League games. Leeds took nearly 6839 in November to Blackburn how there supporters travelled I don't know whether it was more trains? Blackburn v Leeds Nov 14
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 17, 2015 16:43:46 GMT
Fans waiting for 30 mins into the game so they can go for a drink , fans spending the entire game getting pissed up in the concourse . You do know your supposed to be supporting the team don't you. Give the tickets to somebody who actually wants to watch the game
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Post by capto on Feb 17, 2015 17:11:40 GMT
The problem with hooligans is that itsnot just them that get involved; when they move, they move en bloc & with force - do they step aside for kids, or women, or old people? Do they bugger. Their only focus is where the 'action' is and most of them only have a mob mentality and lots of it's all hand bags and posturing. I'm old enough to remember the 70'sand 80's & the way hooliganism spiralled out of control and no one took responsibility - the police blamed the courts who blamed the politicians who blamed the football authorities who blamed the police etc etc. Crowds dropped, fans stayed away. I don't want to return to that ; I want to see a football match that is safe for kids and women and old people. If you want mither, and you're dead brave, take up cage fighting - channel your aggression, your issues or whatever somewhere else - kids, women and old people do not want to be your victims or collateral damage. You are not brave by hiding in a crowd. The majority surely have a right to attend a match without being intimidated by people with violent tendencies? Re the70'sand 80's and what happened then - I have no issue with police and stewards being at soccer matches - I actually want them there - think you can guess who I dont want at soccer games?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 17, 2015 17:15:31 GMT
The problem with hooligans is that itsnot just them that get involved; when they move, they move en bloc & with force - do they step aside for kids, or women, or old people? Do they bugger. Their only focus is where the 'action' is and most of them only have a mob mentality and lots of it's all hand bags and posturing. I'm old enough to remember the 70'sand 80's & the way hooliganism spiralled out of control and no one took responsibility - the police blamed the courts who blamed the politicians who blamed the football authorities who blamed the police etc etc. Crowds dropped, fans stayed away. I don't want to return to that ; I want to see a football match that is safe for kids and women and old people. If you want mither, and you're dead brave, take up cage fighting - channel your aggression, your issues or whatever somewhere else - kids, women and old people do not want to be your victims or collateral damage. You are not brave by hiding in a crowd. The majority surely have a right to attend a match without being intimidated by people with violent tendencies? Re the70'sand 80's and what happened then - I have no issue with police and stewards being at soccer matches - I actually want them there - think you can guess who I dont want at soccer games? Absolutely spot on.
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Post by Northy on Feb 17, 2015 17:23:42 GMT
So a Father can't take his Son to a football match because of people like you? And you think this Parent is 'fucking scum'? He can take him, as long as he doesn't mind him hearing naughty words he (in all probability) hears in the playground at school. There's always been swearing at Stoke matches, probably always will be. Do agree with you that calling that parent 'scum' is ludicrous tho'. In the olden days if somebody swore then they were told off by the people around them, so my dad and grandad used to tell me. On Saturday in the concourse some pissed up lads were singing the Odemwingie song and shouting cnut as loud as they could and looking at the young girls serving behind the counter in front of them, there was also a lady standing behind them with her young lad, worra bunch of dicks they were.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 17, 2015 17:36:42 GMT
He can take him, as long as he doesn't mind him hearing naughty words he (in all probability) hears in the playground at school. There's always been swearing at Stoke matches, probably always will be. Do agree with you that calling that parent 'scum' is ludicrous tho'. In the olden days if somebody swore then they were told off by the people around them, so my dad and grandad used to tell me. On Saturday in the concourse some pissed up lads were singing the Odemwingie song and shouting cnut as loud as they could and looking at the young girls serving behind the counter in front of them, there was also a lady standing behind them with her young lad, worra bunch of dicks they were. Never heard of that before NS, we sat in the Butler Street when I was about 7 or 8, my Dad used to just reach over and cover my ears, bit pointless but it made him feel a bit more comfortable I suppose. The Boothen was a completely different story as I got a bit older, seemed anything went in there, I can just imagine the reaction to someone being told to watch their language in there... Then we sat in the Boothen Stand and it was different again, never heard any bad language. If you're going to take your kid to a game where there's likely to be a lot of pissed up Stokies (and if the bloke in question couldn't see that coming he hasn't been following Stoke for long) then imo you have to expect some colourful language. I agree on your last example - bunch of dicks, no need for that. But in my opinion there's no need to 'sterilise' the matchday experience either.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 17, 2015 17:39:21 GMT
He can take him, as long as he doesn't mind him hearing naughty words he (in all probability) hears in the playground at school. There's always been swearing at Stoke matches, probably always will be. Do agree with you that calling that parent 'scum' is ludicrous tho'. In the olden days if somebody swore then they were told off by the people around them, so my dad and grandad used to tell me. On Saturday in the concourse some pissed up lads were singing the Odemwingie song and shouting cnut as loud as they could and looking at the young girls serving behind the counter in front of them, there was also a lady standing behind them with her young lad, worra bunch of dicks they were. Sadly, the olden days, and people's common respect for one another, seem to be just that, a thing of the past. From my own experience, I would argue that this language is no longer as common in schools these days, as it certainly was in my day. Ironic really, when our previous manager would regularly refer to 'the family', and also that in order to increase the fan base, surely we need to see a return to these olden day values of the past.
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Post by staffsvilla on Feb 17, 2015 17:47:15 GMT
i think the main problem with big away allocations is they usually go to general sale and people who go 'for a jollie' have no season tickets or booking history to lose should they get lifted, so generally they dont give a toss, sad but true for most clubs
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 17, 2015 17:51:24 GMT
i think the main problem with big away allocations is they usually go to general sale and people who go 'for a jollie' have no season tickets or booking history to lose should they get lifted, so generally they dont give a toss, sad but true for most clubs Not in this case mate,all were season ticket holders.
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Post by staffsvilla on Feb 17, 2015 17:58:31 GMT
i think the main problem with big away allocations is they usually go to general sale and people who go 'for a jollie' have no season tickets or booking history to lose should they get lifted, so generally they dont give a toss, sad but true for most clubs Not in this case mate,all were season ticket holders. i stand corrected mate, our big allocations always seem to go to general sale, but The Villa have always had a relatively low number of season ticket holders and a big walk up crowd so i suppose that explains it
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 17, 2015 18:38:25 GMT
Of course there might of been a bit of colourful language going on and some dick head out of the stoke end who never goes to games decides to take his kids and he doesn't like the language so he complains. That's exactly what happened to me. Fucking scum, if you don't like the football atmosphere don't go, simple. So a Father can't take his Son to a football match because of people like you? And you think this Parent is 'fucking scum'? I've got no problem taking your kids, but if you have a problem with a football atmosphere that does often hear bad language (always has done) either deal with it and accept you are at a football match or get tickets for the family stand instead of complaining about it to police and stewards. Just like if I was in the family stand I would respect I was in the .... er ..... "Family Stand". I've got as much right as you to sing, shout and scream whatever I like within certain boundaries and if that contains bad language that is my choice if I am not in the Family stand? It's a football atmosphere, it always has been like that and it always will be, why shoulkd I keep my trap shut just because you can't be arsed get family stand tickets but still have the nerve to complain? That's not my problem, I'm in the correct area.
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Post by jmst4 on Feb 17, 2015 18:57:45 GMT
So a Father can't take his Son to a football match because of people like you? And you think this Parent is 'fucking scum'? I've got no problem taking your kids, but if you have a problem with a football atmosphere that does often hear bad language (always has done) either deal with it and accept you are at a football match or get tickets for the family stand instead of complaining about it to police and stewards. Just like if I was in the family stand I would respect I was in the .... er ..... "Family Stand". I've got as much right as you to sing, shout and scream whatever I like within certain boundaries and if that contains bad language that is my choice if I am not in the Family stand? It's a football atmosphere, it always has been like that and it always will be, why shoulkd I keep my trap shut just because you can't be arsed get family stand tickets but still have the nerve to complain? That's not my problem, I'm in the correct area. I do think it's a bit precious from parents to complain that people are using bad language at a football match. It is part and parcel, whether you think that is right or wrong, you know what to expect before you go. You may find bad language offensive, I find replica shirts pretty unsightly, but I know I am going to see them (that's a separate issue). I was always told by my uncle when he used to take me: 'close your ears', before letting out the odd word I had never heard him say at family dinners. If you educate your children, I really don't see the issue, not like you can keep them in the dark about it forever. What gets on my nerves though is when parents take their kids who have no apparent interest in the game, or at least not the attention span to follow the whole thing and subsequently they get bored and restless. Worse still is when some of them are playing on dad's phone or their own handheld games console for most of the match, naturally they are free to do what they want but I can't help think at sell out fixtures, with lots of people disappointed at not getting a ticket, well... It just fucking bugs me. There is nothing worse in my mind than being sat with the family crowd at away game, you feel less like you are at a football game, more like you are stuck on some terrible family holiday.
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 17, 2015 19:15:51 GMT
I've got no problem taking your kids, but if you have a problem with a football atmosphere that does often hear bad language (always has done) either deal with it and accept you are at a football match or get tickets for the family stand instead of complaining about it to police and stewards. Just like if I was in the family stand I would respect I was in the .... er ..... "Family Stand". I've got as much right as you to sing, shout and scream whatever I like within certain boundaries and if that contains bad language that is my choice if I am not in the Family stand? It's a football atmosphere, it always has been like that and it always will be, why shoulkd I keep my trap shut just because you can't be arsed get family stand tickets but still have the nerve to complain? That's not my problem, I'm in the correct area. I do think it's a bit precious from parents to complain that people are using bad language at a football match. It is part and parcel, whether you think that is right or wrong, you know what to expect before you go. You may find bad language offensive, I find replica shirts pretty unsightly, but I know I am going to see them (that's a separate issue). I was always told by my uncle when he used to take me: 'close your ears', before letting out the odd word I had never heard him say at family dinners. If you educate your children, I really don't see the issue, not like you can keep them in the dark about it forever. What gets on my nerves though is when parents take their kids who have no apparent interest in the game, or at least not the attention span to follow the whole thing and subsequently they get bored and restless. Worse still is when some of them are playing on dad's phone or their own handheld games console for most of the match, naturally they are free to do what they want but I can't help think at sell out fixtures, with lots of people disappointed at not getting a ticket, well... It just fucking bugs me. There is nothing worse in my mind than being sat with the family crowd at away game, you feel less like you are at a football game, more like you are stuck on some terrible family holiday. Absolutely, i was told to sit down & shut up twice by stewards before they tried to throw me out the third time. So I'm being told to sit down and shut up at a football match I've just paid £30 to get into where ironically Pulis at the time was calling the fans to create a hostile atmosphere. Call me precious but I'm not being told to sit down and shut up at a football match if I don't percieve what I'm doing to be wrong. Before anyone says I should be sitting anyway, I was on the very back row.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 17, 2015 19:44:06 GMT
One of the saddest things I saw Saturday was grown men, GROWN MEN, in the Blackburn section to our left who did nothing but look at the away end, with their continuous hand gestures, offering on, and actively encouraging their kids (aged between 6-16) to do the same.
GROWN MEN, parents, who didn't even watch the game. They should be utterly ashamed of themselves - saw the one dad at the front (in his snide Barbour) ruffle his kids hair and congratulate him, a lad of about 10, after he ran down the front and gave it the middle finger to the away end in full view of the authorities.
Why in a ground 1/2 full, wasn't there a block left empty in the main stand nearest to the away following? In no way am I condoning what happened in our end, but surely prevention is better than cure? Even at half time it would have been easy to move the Red Hand Gang, Vicky Pollard and their fathers towards the tunnel, so taking away any goading etc between the 2 sets of fans.
A sad day, and one that was easily avoidable imho.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 17, 2015 20:19:04 GMT
My little lad loves going and he loves listening to the "swears".
He stands on his seat, gets me to hold him up, sings, shouts and even moans now.
We have a simple rule...what is seen, heard and said at football, stays at football and is never to be repeated outside the stadium.
Its working well enough so far.
If you dont want your kids to hear swear words, don't take them to football. It really is that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 20:38:12 GMT
My little lad loves going and he loves listening to the "swears". He stands on his seat, gets me to hold him up, sings, shouts and even moans now. We have a simple rule...what is seen, heard and said at football, stays at football and is never to be repeated outside the stadium. Its working well enough so far. If you dont want your kids to hear swear words, don't take them to football. It really is that simple. That is what I did with my boys when they were younger and it did work, I dunna mind swearing at footy it's just the way it is.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 17, 2015 20:40:17 GMT
Leeds took nearly 6839 in November to Blackburn how there supporters travelled I don't know whether it was more trains? That's a very specific number to "Nearly" take
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Post by elystokie on Feb 17, 2015 20:57:44 GMT
My little lad loves going and he loves listening to the "swears". He stands on his seat, gets me to hold him up, sings, shouts and even moans now. We have a simple rule...what is seen, heard and said at football, stays at football and is never to be repeated outside the stadium. Its working well enough so far. If you dont want your kids to hear swear words, don't take them to football. It really is that simple. That is what I did with my boys when they were younger and it did work, I dunna mind swearing at footy it's just the way it is. Same here. I'm happy to take the 2 of them anywhere and always have been, they're now 17 and 20, they know when it's appropriate to refrain from swearing even though they were exposed to profanities at quite an early age at the match. Amazingly it hasn't ruined their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 21:05:07 GMT
As long as the club has a reputation of being tough/ hard it's okay isn't it. Too many mouthy idiots giving it the biggun and giving our club a bad reputation. Most people can handle a little swearing, but when it is every other word then it is just disgusting and inappropriate. The idiots know who they are are too and couldn't care less about their fellow fan or even themselves. Why people feel the need to start fighting with other fans is beyond me. I mean what is the point, they will probably never see the person again.
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Post by ihaveadream on Feb 18, 2015 14:05:55 GMT
Why in a ground 1/2 full, wasn't there a block left empty in the main stand nearest to the away following? In no way am I condoning what happened in our end, but surely prevention is better than cure? Even at half time it would have been easy to move the Red Hand Gang, Vicky Pollard and their fathers towards the tunnel, so taking away any goading etc between the 2 sets of fans. They could have put them in the completely empty upper storey behind the goal at the opposite end of the ground.
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Post by slpmarc on Feb 19, 2015 17:12:15 GMT
Who saw the incident with the steward and is available at 11 tomorrow DM me if so
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Post by slpmarc on Feb 19, 2015 19:02:18 GMT
Anyone with any video evidence of the poor stewarding at Blackburn please post
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Post by elystokie on Feb 19, 2015 19:12:53 GMT
Anyone with any video evidence of the poor stewarding at Blackburn please post Good idea to start a new thread mate if it's important, sounds like it is.
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Post by slpmarc on Feb 19, 2015 19:23:28 GMT
Anyone with any video evidence of the poor stewarding at Blackburn please post Good idea to start a new thread mate if it's important, sounds like it is. Cannot do it of my iPhone for some reason
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 19, 2015 19:43:46 GMT
Good idea to start a new thread mate if it's important, sounds like it is. Cannot do it of my iPhone for some reason Marc I can create a thread on this if you want.
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Post by slpmarc on Feb 19, 2015 19:49:20 GMT
Cannot do it of my iPhone for some reason Marc I can create a thread on this if you want. If you don't mind
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 19, 2015 19:54:57 GMT
Marc I can create a thread on this if you want. If you don't mind I will no problem but where do I go to create a thread, because I can't bloody find it.
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