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Post by Lightwood on Feb 14, 2015 22:55:17 GMT
The whole sorry incident unfolded a few rows in front of me, the stewards came into the stand to eject someone they had warned several times before, not the best idea in the world given we had gone 4 1 down and the general mood at that point. As soon as the stewards have approached him they have been confronted by 5 or 6 idiots one in particular who was spitting venom at them. The stewards have got hold of their target and have tried to pull him out resulting in punches being thrown at the stewards who have replied in kind. I have then watch as other Stoke fans have rushed from the opposite end of the stand to get involved and a free for all between Stoke and the stewards has started, the police have then tried to intervene by stopping more Stoke getting involved by blocking the aisle at the front, during the melee with the stewards the woman has been taken ill while trying to get out of the way. You cannot condone what went on today, I saw grown men in their fifties threatening 13 year old kids across the stand just because we were losing all i can say is thank god we didn't have 7000 tickets
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Post by AlJolson on Feb 14, 2015 23:01:41 GMT
Mate i was row 6 right where it happened. It started cus the stewards were throwing tons of stoke fans out. All they were doing was singing to the home fans - nothing illegal or aggressive happening. When one of their stewards threw a punch all hell broke loose. It was all reactive to what happened, our fans didnt originally start anything or warrant the treatment they had Did it warrant hundreds of Stoke fans from around the stand coming over looking for a fight? Pushing down the aisles Of course. Or should we all have let the stewards/police run riot unchallenged? What would have been your solution?
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2015 23:05:27 GMT
Did it warrant hundreds of Stoke fans from around the stand coming over looking for a fight? Pushing down the aisles Of course. Or should we all have let the stewards/police run riot unchallenged? What would have been your solution? 'run riot' I think there is a bit of literative license there, mate.
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Post by padders01 on Feb 14, 2015 23:09:24 GMT
Did it warrant hundreds of Stoke fans from around the stand coming over looking for a fight? Pushing down the aisles Of course. Or should we all have let the stewards/police run riot unchallenged? What would have been your solution? How about the stewards eject who they wanted to and no other Stoke fans get involved.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 14, 2015 23:12:44 GMT
Not sure why they declined the extra tickets. Sad to see that upper tier empty. Clearly the filth are not confident they have the manpower or the ability to control crowds. Shameful really
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Post by Stoke711 on Feb 14, 2015 23:16:06 GMT
Not sure why they declined the extra tickets. Sad to see that upper tier empty. Clearly the filth are not confident they have the manpower or the ability to control crowds. Shameful really Next time, they'll probably give us the upper tier and leave the bottom empty.
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Post by AlJolson on Feb 14, 2015 23:20:02 GMT
Of course. Or should we all have let the stewards/police run riot unchallenged? What would have been your solution? How about the stewards eject who they wanted to and no other Stoke fans get involved. As if that is going to happen in an emotion filled tense cup tie with fans fired up and fuelled up on beer? We aren't talking in the middle of a library/theatre here - please come quietly etc. Have you ever been to any football games before over the last 30 years or just in the last 4 or 5? Over zealous stewarding can be the catalyst that ignites ugly situations. A quiet word - please come quietly with me if not you will be arrested after the game would suffice. Snatch squads with aggression is not the answer and will inflame the situation. Anyone who disagrees is living in some misguided utopian world where no one swears or has a dringk or lets their emotions get the better of them. Football is no longer the place to get carried away swear at the ref and the liberal pc correct do gooders have driven the true fans out. It should be you hanging your heads in shame.
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Post by padders01 on Feb 14, 2015 23:21:51 GMT
How about the stewards eject who they wanted to and no other Stoke fans get involved. As if that is going to happen in an emotion filled tense cup tie with fans fired up and fuelled up on beer? We aren't talking in the middle of a library/theatre here - please come quietly etc. Have you ever been to any football games before over the last 30 years or just in the last 4 or 5? Over zealous stewarding can be the catalyst that ignites ugly situations. A quiet word - please come quietly with me if not you will be arrested after the game would suffice. Snatch squads with aggression is not the answer and will inflame the situation. Anyone who disagrees is living in some misguided utopian world where no one swears or has a dringk or lets their emotions get the better of them. Football is no longer the place to get carried away swear at the ref and the liberal pc correct do gooders have driven the true fans out. It should be you hanging your heads in shame. I give up
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Post by troj on Feb 14, 2015 23:43:49 GMT
The whole sorry incident unfolded a few rows in front of me, the stewards came into the stand to eject someone they had warned several times before, not the best idea in the world given we had gone 4 1 down and the general mood at that point. As soon as the stewards have approached him they have been confronted by 5 or 6 idiots one in particular who was spitting venom at them. The stewards have got hold of their target and have tried to pull him out resulting in punches being thrown at the stewards who have replied in kind. I have then watch as other Stoke fans have rushed from the opposite end of the stand to get involved and a free for all between Stoke and the stewards has started, the police have then tried to intervene by stopping more Stoke getting involved by blocking the aisle at the front, during the melee with the stewards the woman has been taken ill while trying to get out of the way. You cannot condone what went on today, I saw grown men in their fifties threatening 13 year old kids across the stand just because we were losing all i can say is thank god we didn't have 7000 tickets Unfortunately this is exactly how I saw it Sorry both you are so wrong. If stewards and police had really taken a nano second to properly think about the situation they would have held back. There was absolutely no need to wade into the middle of an already tense crowd. Right from the start of the game both the police and stewards were itching for an argument. Unfortunately there ill considered and unprofessional approach got what was a blindingly obvious outcome. The police and stewards are there to keep everyone safe right? Well firstly what risk was the chap creating by shouting and gesturing ? Seems to me they could have picked any one of a 1000 stokies if they perceived gesturing to be a risk. They created risk through their actions.
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Post by 1raytuper on Feb 15, 2015 0:17:21 GMT
i have to smile when i read some of these posts,it was a storm in a tea cup,pushing and shoving with foreign stewards,a couple a punches thrown,most posters on ere have led sheltered lives ,,bless
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Post by mightyone on Feb 15, 2015 0:38:36 GMT
Mate i was row 6 right where it happened. It started cus the stewards were throwing tons of stoke fans out. All they were doing was singing to the home fans - nothing illegal or aggressive happening. When one of their stewards threw a punch all hell broke loose. It was all reactive to what happened, our fans didnt originally start anything or warrant the treatment they had Did it warrant hundreds of Stoke fans from around the stand coming over looking for a fight? Pushing down the aisles Mate I was I the jack walker upper next to our away end and it was not hundreds it was around 30ish who o may say only trying to stick up for what were right, as in the police & stewards we're making a right arse of things. Yes our fans were angry and agresive but in my opinion rightly so because they were trying to sort the lady who seemed to be in som serious distress. Please can someone tell me more about this lady as I hope she is ok. I as all the traveling fans today are disappointed in today's performance just hope the lady is ok. All stokies lets move on as we all know on our day we are better than today.
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Post by suttonstokie99 on Feb 15, 2015 0:40:01 GMT
i have to smile when i read some of these posts,it was a storm in a tea cup,pushing and shoving with foreign stewards,a couple a punches thrown,most posters on ere have led sheltered lives ,,bless A) are you really trying to patronise people because they've managed to get through life without fighting people as if it makes us stupid. B) it's not the actual bodily harm that people are bothered about, instead it's the reputation it has on our club and potentially future repercussions we face ie not getting as many away tickets as other clubs. Just a 'storm in a tea cup' that is being reported in newspapers eh? Whether it was the stewards who started it or not, the ensuing 15 mins, including fans crossing the stand to get involved even though they had no idea what it was about, stoke fans egging others on including singing 'we're stoke' to the stewards as if proudly letting them know they're up for the fight and seemingly not caring about the majority of fellow stoke fans was embarrassing.
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Post by padders01 on Feb 15, 2015 0:41:24 GMT
Did it warrant hundreds of Stoke fans from around the stand coming over looking for a fight? Pushing down the aisles Mate I was I the jack walker upper next to our away end and it was not hundreds it was around 30ish who o may say only trying to stick up for what were right, as in the police & stewards we're making a right arse of things. Yes our fans were angry and agresive but in my opinion rightly so because they were trying to sort the lady who seemed to be in som serious distress. Please can someone tell me more about this lady as I hope she is ok. I as all the traveling fans today are disappointed in today's performance just hope the lady is ok. All stokies lets move on as we all know on our day we are better than today. She is fine, got on the club coach back to Stoke
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Post by 2004 on Feb 15, 2015 0:50:09 GMT
Not a good day
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Post by desman2 on Feb 15, 2015 2:08:34 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Feb 15, 2015 2:18:07 GMT
I bet the Blackburn board has an interesting perspective on today's result ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 4:54:21 GMT
The whole sorry incident unfolded a few rows in front of me, the stewards came into the stand to eject someone they had warned several times before, not the best idea in the world given we had gone 4 1 down and the general mood at that point. As soon as the stewards have approached him they have been confronted by 5 or 6 idiots one in particular who was spitting venom at them. The stewards have got hold of their target and have tried to pull him out resulting in punches being thrown at the stewards who have replied in kind. I have then watch as other Stoke fans have rushed from the opposite end of the stand to get involved and a free for all between Stoke and the stewards has started, the police have then tried to intervene by stopping more Stoke getting involved by blocking the aisle at the front, during the melee with the stewards the woman has been taken ill while trying to get out of the way. You cannot condone what went on today, I saw grown men in their fifties threatening 13 year old kids across the stand just because we were losing all i can say is thank god we didn't have 7000 tickets Stevie that is what my mate told me at work tonight, he was with his dad and 10yr old daughter and he had to move and eventually left as the fans around them were out of order, I was not there but that's how he saw it too.
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Post by huddy on Feb 15, 2015 7:15:07 GMT
Moving into the crowd at that point was not diplomatically very clever was it?No.It was provocative.The bald 'steward' was of the security firm variety ie a bouncer.These people are a massive problem.There is no such thing as a 'quiet word' anymore.These thugs go looking for trouble.Yesterday they got it and today they tell their 'hard ' mates how clever they were.In the days when grounds were stewarded by coppers there was at least a little respect for them.Bouncers are thugs looking for trouble.
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Post by Northy on Feb 15, 2015 7:26:18 GMT
The whole sorry incident unfolded a few rows in front of me, the stewards came into the stand to eject someone they had warned several times before, not the best idea in the world given we had gone 4 1 down and the general mood at that point. As soon as the stewards have approached him they have been confronted by 5 or 6 idiots one in particular who was spitting venom at them. The stewards have got hold of their target and have tried to pull him out resulting in punches being thrown at the stewards who have replied in kind. I have then watch as other Stoke fans have rushed from the opposite end of the stand to get involved and a free for all between Stoke and the stewards has started, the police have then tried to intervene by stopping more Stoke getting involved by blocking the aisle at the front, during the melee with the stewards the woman has been taken ill while trying to get out of the way. You cannot condone what went on today, I saw grown men in their fifties threatening 13 year old kids across the stand just because we were losing all i can say is thank god we didn't have 7000 tickets I was at the other end of the stand and was quite surprised when I saw the pictures of the incident from the newspapers on the net, a couple of faces on the pictures were people who I'd seen near me, they frequent a certain bar in Stoke with the name of one of our best ever strikers.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2015 7:33:25 GMT
Of course. Or should we all have let the stewards/police run riot unchallenged? What would have been your solution? How about the stewards eject who they wanted to and no other Stoke fans get involved. Well said. Isn't it funny how 99 percent of our fans have probably never even been told off by a steward. I'm sure that the guy been thrown out was doing nothing wrong whatsoever as always seems the case when there's trouble. Why can't people just enjoy a game of footy without taking it too far. If the bouncer was out of order the sensible thing would be to write a letter of complaint rather than take our glorious clubs name through the papers for all the wrong reasons. (Tin hat on).
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Post by trigger on Feb 15, 2015 7:52:25 GMT
If it was only that simple by putting pen to paper life would be ever so simple, sitting on the fence here but I'd guarantee that some knuckle dragging baffoon stewards had been briefed about " potential trouble" and over reacted to a simple bit of banter and made the situation what it was to become.
Based on what I heard and have read the stewards made the situation a lot worse.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2015 8:00:11 GMT
If it was only that simple by putting pen to paper life would be ever so simple, sitting on the fence here but I'd guarantee that some knuckle dragging baffoon stewards had been briefed about " potential trouble" and over reacted to a simple bit of banter and made the situation what it was to become. Based on what I heard and have read the stewards made the situation a lot worse. Well put trigger. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the behaviour of our fans made it a whole lot worse. I still believe you can go to footy get behind your team without the sort of thing happening that happened yesterday. It's all about self restraint.
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Post by huddy on Feb 15, 2015 8:14:33 GMT
The 'bouncers' were provocative. What about leaving the lad they were after ?He was just mouthing off.They wanted a confrontation and waded into the crowd.Good stewarding is about diplomacy and that at that point was not very clever.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 15, 2015 8:26:11 GMT
Can't have been as bad as the Millwall fans I was treated to yesterday.
Leeds station, 4pm, about 40 policeman escorting 20 Millwall fans who had obviously not been allowed into the game, or had possibly been kicked out early.
The police then had to escort them onto the 4:05 train to London. When I got off the train in Doncaster, even more police got on as they were kicking up a fuss.
Terrible waste of police time. To think my taxes went on paying for a 2 and a half hour personal escort for those arseholes makes me sick to the stomach.
Wankers the lot of 'em.
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Post by Lesalanos on Feb 15, 2015 10:05:24 GMT
If you'd had the pleasure of leaving Blackburn on the train to Manchester and then walking across Manchester you'd have had the chance to see far more of our own getting an escort.
And what the feck is it with flares? I posted earlier that one of our own through one over our heads indiscriminately. Just missed a lady and her two young children.
I have no problem with a bit of old school banter, a bit of edge to the game, and like minded individuals having a meet(Manchester about 8).
I do have a problem, and squared a lad up who was trying to wade past old men and kids to get to the corner of the stand to abuse 12 year old Blackburn fans and the stewards.
Anyone who feels little old stoke are being hard done to and picked on ought to get a train to the game, and nip in a local unsuspecting wetherspoons. You'll see the reason we still have a bad reputation.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 15, 2015 10:20:59 GMT
Why can't some supporters show some pride even after a defeat? I'll never accept moronic behavior! Ashamed on behalf of some "supporters" of our club!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2015 10:32:37 GMT
And the worst thing is people trying to justify the behaviour trying to blame stewards or the police. When you hear an honest account from a supporter saying about young kids and women being verbally abused it's very sad to read. My experience is police or stewards only get involved when people go too far. There is no defence of these "fans" behaviour. Why should they be allowed to use "abusive language" when kids are around them. 99 percent of fans seem to be able to go to a match without having to do it.
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Post by worcsstokie15 on Feb 15, 2015 10:38:24 GMT
Why can't some supporters show some pride even after a defeat? I'll never accept moronic behavior! Ashamed on behalf of some "supporters" of our club! Completely agree. The whole day was summed up for me after I left the Jack Walker stand at FT (had to sit in the home end) and was immediately shouldered and called a fcuking c*nt by some delightful chap in a black, hoodied leather jacket in a strong Stoke accent. He was with a large group of fellow knuckle draggers who seemed equally as confused when I told him to fcuk off, I'm stoke - I just hope they didn't find the trouble they were looking for. All in all, a sad, sad day.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 15, 2015 10:38:43 GMT
Whichever way it happened the police will be delighted with it. I would even suggest it was put to the stewards to be confrontational. The bad pubilicty against the police and the blackburn advisers even made a slot on Gillette soccer Saturday with the panel saying it was a ridiculous decision not to give more tickets in an empty stadium.
Imagine how they would have looked if there had been no trouble at all? Well played out police and stewards.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2015 10:50:25 GMT
If it was only that simple by putting pen to paper life would be ever so simple, sitting on the fence here but I'd guarantee that some knuckle dragging baffoon stewards had been briefed about " potential trouble" and over reacted to a simple bit of banter and made the situation what it was to become. Based on what I heard and have read the stewards made the situation a lot worse. Best thing to do is write to Blackburn to find out which security company they hire, get in touch with the company to report the stewards two in particular, then report them to the SIA as they have to be badged to work legally in that industry, the fuckers won't be laughing then when they can not get a job.
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