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Post by kbillyh on Jan 29, 2015 23:21:15 GMT
Can i ask you Boothen why you think Ukip are the answer? I don't understand your loyalty and faith, to me they are just an extension of the Conservative party. I have no doubt they will dance to the corporate tune just as the main 3 parties are at the moment. I agree with UKIP's policies on Europe & immigration. As I've said on previous threads uncontrolled immigration has been nothing short of a disaster for every working man & woman in this country. Leaving that aside lets look at the alternatives: Labour- Tony Blair & his phony wars, Gordon end of boom & bust Brown, Ed stab my brother in the back Miliband and Ed shyster Balls. These days they just look like a bunch of snivelling tory wannabes. They have no answers for anything & seem to me, to be the party for the feckless & reckless; Lib Dems- Nick Clegg just reminds me of a used car salesman. He had the opportunity to make his mark after the election and has royally fucked it up. Torys- Out of the 3 main parties I suppose these are (amazingly) the least bad. If they could do what they were doing with slightly more compassion & a bit more radicalism and get rid of that two faced lying tosser Cameron, then that wouldn't be too bad. Greens- just deluded. So who else is there to vote for? Vote for the party who will protect our borders, who want to return powers to our elected parliament and who will hopefully show the other main parties up for the useless tossers that they are. Maybe they will turn out to "dance to the corporate tune", but 1 things for sure a vote for the other parties is a vote for the status quo. And who wants that? Thanks for the coherent reply, good insight that. Without having a dig or owt, no personal jibes and that i'd like to ask why the short shrift regarding the Greens? you explain the other parties issues, but just dismiss them easily with being just deluded. I couldn't agree more that we should be looking at a change from the main 3 by the way. I can understand anybody being disillusioned with them more than anybody who would still sing their praises.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 29, 2015 23:25:35 GMT
The greens are too biased in their areas though, they don't apeal to the middle ground.
The reality of their policies is they couldn't make most work even if they are sound but too radical
Then they come out with rubbish as the basis of the thread, that is never going to appeal to the masses ruins any credibility they have
1 step forward 2 steps back
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Post by britsabroad on Jan 29, 2015 23:57:11 GMT
You see the problem is too many of them think theyre entitled to go to university, just like too many think theyre entitled to a top job when they graduate. Theyre not. If only they were as good as you there wouldn't be a problem, i see that now. Perhaps they should introduce some kind of criteria before they get accepted, you know like have a certain amount of A levels or something. Either that or maybe they should only be accepted if they can prove they have the ability to pay, perhaps check if their parents can afford beforehand. It's probably the only way we can help these people from getting into the mess they do and make them understand that education is not an entitlement for all, just for those who can afford it. Personally i would refuse anybody a university education if they fail to understand the use of an apostrophe in shortened words such as they're . You see theyre the problem, theyre so far up their own arse theyre blind to there own stupid view of modern life. I'm off to cash in my trust fund. Everything to you is rich v poor, haves v have nots isnt it? Are you this jealous in real life? Im simply saying too many people go to university for the sake of it.
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 0:00:16 GMT
If only they were as good as you there wouldn't be a problem, i see that now. Perhaps they should introduce some kind of criteria before they get accepted, you know like have a certain amount of A levels or something. Either that or maybe they should only be accepted if they can prove they have the ability to pay, perhaps check if their parents can afford beforehand. It's probably the only way we can help these people from getting into the mess they do and make them understand that education is not an entitlement for all, just for those who can afford it. Personally i would refuse anybody a university education if they fail to understand the use of an apostrophe in shortened words such as they're . You see theyre the problem, theyre so far up their own arse theyre blind to there own stupid view of modern life. I'm off to cash in my trust fund. Everything to you is rich v poor, haves v have nots isnt it? Are you this jealous in real life? Im simply saying too many people go to university for the sake of it. Assumptions yet again.
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 0:07:46 GMT
Perhaps i'm not jealous at all. Perhaps i'm fucking loaded. Perhaps i have the good grace to accept that there are victims of modern day capitalism genuinely struggling to the point of desperation. Perhaps i don't look down with contempt on those who have not been as successful as me. Perhaps i possess a rather human trait known as compassion.
Or perhaps i'm just bitter. Assume away asshole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 0:19:29 GMT
Ooooooh....Errrrrr...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 0:36:59 GMT
If only they were as good as you there wouldn't be a problem, i see that now. Perhaps they should introduce some kind of criteria before they get accepted, you know like have a certain amount of A levels or something. Either that or maybe they should only be accepted if they can prove they have the ability to pay, perhaps check if their parents can afford beforehand. It's probably the only way we can help these people from getting into the mess they do and make them understand that education is not an entitlement for all, just for those who can afford it. Personally i would refuse anybody a university education if they fail to understand the use of an apostrophe in shortened words such as they're . You see theyre the problem, theyre so far up their own arse theyre blind to there own stupid view of modern life. I'm off to cash in my trust fund. Everything to you is rich v poor, haves v have nots isnt it? Are you this jealous in real life? Im simply saying too many people go to university for the sake of it. I'm not too sure why some people would choose to study at University purely for the sake of it , while in the process saddling themselves with an enormous debt that they will find difficult to pay off in the future ?....You will always get some idlers in society , but surely the aim of attending Uni is that of obtaining the relevant degree to further your self in a chosen career that benefit you and your family in yours and their future .....everybody has the right to be able to undertake this opportunity provided that they have the relevant intelligence to do so ....I think that most young people who are prepared to do this are also prepared for the years of hardship that will probably follow untill they achieve their goal.....good luck too them , as long as they are not looking for a free ride in life , they are fine with me.
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Post by britsabroad on Jan 30, 2015 4:45:56 GMT
Everything to you is rich v poor, haves v have nots isnt it? Are you this jealous in real life? Im simply saying too many people go to university for the sake of it. I'm not too sure why some people would choose to study at University purely for the sake of it , while in the process saddling themselves with an enormous debt that they will find difficult to pay off in the future ?....You will always get some idlers in society , but surely the aim of attending Uni is that of obtaining the relevant degree to further your self in a chosen career that benefit you and your family in yours and their future .....everybody has the right to be able to undertake this opportunity provided that they have the relevant intelligence to do so ....I think that most young people who are prepared to do this are also prepared for the years of hardship that will probably follow untill they achieve their goal.....good luck too them , as long as they are not looking for a free ride in life , they are fine with me. I think its a great thing that everyone has the option to go to University but it really isnt a place where people go to further a chosen career anymore. Most people are going just because thats what you do now, school, 6th form then university. Thats fine but the taxpayer shouldnt be picking up the bill in subsidising all those extra people doing degrees irrelevant to their future careers. Its a shame the people necessarily studying in further education now have to pay extra too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 7:02:47 GMT
Lilfraise is in his first year studying Physics & Astro Physics, but that doesn't guarantee him a job, in fact I worry more for him now than if he'd left school at 16 to work in retail or etc. To have a debt the size of a small mortgage before you've even had a job is scary stuff, but young boys and girls leaving 6th form that have never seen hardship for themselves cannot comprehend the seriousness of jumping into university life
I don't blame the students for wanting it.......I blame the government and education for not preparing them properly
It's all....." You can be this and that" ....." You can be whatever you want to be" .....with out a shread of realism.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 10:13:43 GMT
I'm not too sure why some people would choose to study at University purely for the sake of it , while in the process saddling themselves with an enormous debt that they will find difficult to pay off in the future ?....You will always get some idlers in society , but surely the aim of attending Uni is that of obtaining the relevant degree to further your self in a chosen career that benefit you and your family in yours and their future .....everybody has the right to be able to undertake this opportunity provided that they have the relevant intelligence to do so ....I think that most young people who are prepared to do this are also prepared for the years of hardship that will probably follow untill they achieve their goal.....good luck too them , as long as they are not looking for a free ride in life , they are fine with me. I think its a great thing that everyone has the option to go to University but it really isnt a place where people go to further a chosen career anymore. Most people are going just because thats what you do now, school, 6th form then university. Thats fine but the taxpayer shouldnt be picking up the bill in subsidising all those extra people doing degrees irrelevant to their future careers. Its a shame the people necessarily studying in further education now have to pay extra too. Well irrelevant degrees is something else I suppose, but at the end of the day it's not just a case of the taxpayer subsidising students for the sake of it , it has to be looked at as an investment for the country doesn't it ? After all the students benefit we know , but so does the country , otherwise where would our future generations in industry, science and the like be coming from ? I know that some degrees are absurd , one thinks back to a person I remember that studied for a degree in being " a Professional Yorkshireman " , ridiculous , but It happened, but on the whole I think that a larger amount of people attending University must benefit the country to a greater degree in the long run , you can't just measure the value of this in terms of what it costs financially .For me investment in young people is an investment in the future of Britain.
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 10:15:48 GMT
The greens are too biased in their areas though, they don't apeal to the middle ground. The reality of their policies is they couldn't make most work even if they are sound but too radical Then they come out with rubbish as the basis of the thread, that is never going to appeal to the masses ruins any credibility they have 1 step forward 2 steps back Thanks for answering for him but i am already aware of your sound bite reasons used to dismiss the Greens. Surprised you didn't mention tree hugging or something similar again, missed a trick there eh. To answer, even though i know you would never concede ground: Are not all political parties biased to their own areas, why is this used as a reason? Look where we've got by pampering to the middle ground. Is not an element of radical politics needed? Imagine a party having the audacity to put the interests of the people over that of the corporations. The rubbish this thread is based on is twisted nonsense from the Daily Mail, may not have been the best thing to say with the current lynch mobs on the loose accepted, but hardly enough to dismiss them regarding everything they have to say. The Greens pose a threat to the current status quo by not playing ball with the likes of the Murdoch and the neo-liberal Nazis so they are obviously going to be lied about by the powers behind the scene.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 30, 2015 10:26:04 GMT
The greens are too biased in their areas though, they don't apeal to the middle ground. The reality of their policies is they couldn't make most work even if they are sound but too radical Then they come out with rubbish as the basis of the thread, that is never going to appeal to the masses ruins any credibility they have 1 step forward 2 steps back Thanks for answering for him but i am already aware of your sound bite reasons used to dismiss the Greens. Surprised you didn't mention tree hugging or something similar again, missed a trick there eh. To answer, even though i know you would never concede ground: Are not all political parties biased to their own areas, why is this used as a reason? Look where we've got by pampering to the middle ground. Is not an element of radical politics needed? Imagine a party having the audacity to put the interests of the people over that of the corporations. The rubbish this thread is based on is twisted nonsense from the Daily Mail, may not have been the best thing to say with the current lynch mobs on the loose accepted, but hardly enough to dismiss them regarding everything they have to say. The Greens pose a threat to the current status quo by not playing ball with the likes of the Murdoch and the neo-liberal Nazis so they are obviously going to be lied about by the powers behind the scene. Sound bites? The greens make good points ive already conceded that but they need a national platform to get them over, they have not got that. When they do get that platform they come out with rubbish that was the reason for this thread, and shoot them in the foot. And we have had green supporters on this thread that agree with me on that point. As soon as they start coming out with joining a terrorist crime is only a thinking action straight away people will jump on this meaning any good work they had to say gets missed, yes me and the majority of this country are that shallow. It may be wrong but it's the reality You will find that some of the rubbish on the thread is based on twisted nonsense from the greens published in the guardian, but as always it's easy to use that old lefty sound bite of daily mail blame. You will not get radical change in this country in one election, you have to build and if that means a slowly approach taking middle ground then so be it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 10:30:10 GMT
The greens are too biased in their areas though, they don't apeal to the middle ground. The reality of their policies is they couldn't make most work even if they are sound but too radical Then they come out with rubbish as the basis of the thread, that is never going to appeal to the masses ruins any credibility they have 1 step forward 2 steps back Thanks for answering for him but i am already aware of your sound bite reasons used to dismiss the Greens. Surprised you didn't mention tree hugging or something similar again, missed a trick there eh. To answer, even though i know you would never concede ground: Are not all political parties biased to their own areas, why is this used as a reason? Look where we've got by pampering to the middle ground. Is not an element of radical politics needed? Imagine a party having the audacity to put the interests of the people over that of the corporations. The rubbish this thread is based on is twisted nonsense from the Daily Mail, may not have been the best thing to say with the current lynch mobs on the loose accepted, but hardly enough to dismiss them regarding everything they have to say. The Greens pose a threat to the current status quo by not playing ball with the likes of the Murdoch and the neo-liberal Nazis so they are obviously going to be lied about by the powers behind the scene. You seem to have an unhealthy infatuation with the Daily Mail. I bought it once back in 1989 because they were giving away free tins of Campbell's Oxtail soup but since then I haven't been influenced in the slightest. Surely I can't be on my own. Surely Neolithic man In Staffordshire is coming to an end. ? Do neo Liberal Nazis wear leather jeans and tight thigh length boots , cus if so I want to join ..... And I am unanimous .....
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 10:42:40 GMT
Thanks for answering for him but i am already aware of your sound bite reasons used to dismiss the Greens. Surprised you didn't mention tree hugging or something similar again, missed a trick there eh. To answer, even though i know you would never concede ground: Are not all political parties biased to their own areas, why is this used as a reason? Look where we've got by pampering to the middle ground. Is not an element of radical politics needed? Imagine a party having the audacity to put the interests of the people over that of the corporations. The rubbish this thread is based on is twisted nonsense from the Daily Mail, may not have been the best thing to say with the current lynch mobs on the loose accepted, but hardly enough to dismiss them regarding everything they have to say. The Greens pose a threat to the current status quo by not playing ball with the likes of the Murdoch and the neo-liberal Nazis so they are obviously going to be lied about by the powers behind the scene. You seem to have an unhealthy infatuation with the Daily Mail. I bought it once back in 1989 because they were giving away free tins of Campbell's Oxtail soup but since then I haven't been influenced in the slightest. Surely I can't be on my own. Surely Neolithic man In Staffordshire is coming to an end. ? Do neo Liberal Nazis wear leather jeans and tight thigh length boots , cus if so I want to join ..... And I am unanimous ..... The whole thread is based on a Daily Mail article and i get accused of having an unhealthy infatuation by commenting on it. It's not as if i've said something like "I'm sick of people talking about and hearing about Russel Brand" and then proceeded to mention his name without reason on threads not related to him. Now who was it who does that? Now i am unanimous and rest my case.
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2015 11:52:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 12:05:01 GMT
Certainly if not insane .....clearly a pretty odd bunch
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 12:35:37 GMT
You know a thread is beyond debate when an article from the Spectator is used as evidence. And before the rants start i'd say exactly the same if it was the Morning Star or for that matter Viz.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 30, 2015 14:10:26 GMT
You know a thread is beyond debate when an article from the Spectator is used as evidence. And before the rants start i'd say exactly the same if it was the Morning Star or for that matter Viz. The thing is it shows for me what the greens are. A well meaning bunch who due to crackpot schemes and thinking can't even organise recycling. Their energy policy is one of the most confusing things I've ever seen. They remind me a bit of Ed Miliband's Labour party, anti everything with no real idea how to sort anything.
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2015 14:39:31 GMT
You know a thread is beyond debate when an article from the Spectator is used as evidence. And before the rants start i'd say exactly the same if it was the Morning Star or for that matter Viz. But official figures on their recycling are also evidence: - A league table compiled by recycling and resource management company, Sita, put Brighton at 306 out of 326 councils. Pretty fookin shite for somebody to supposedly be a green party
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 15:07:05 GMT
You know a thread is beyond debate when an article from the Spectator is used as evidence. And before the rants start i'd say exactly the same if it was the Morning Star or for that matter Viz. But official figures on their recycling are also evidence: - A league table compiled by recycling and resource management company, Sita, put Brighton at 306 out of 326 councils. Pretty fookin shite for somebody to supposedly be a green party Yep, certainly does seem a bit of a crap result for them on that front. I don't know enough on the situation to comment in their defence, it does say in the BBC report that it has improved and they have struggled since the bin man strikes but you would still expect a better performance wouldn't you. I've no idea personally about the comment that the City has never had a garden waste collection service which is the excuse given for languishing at the bottom end of the league table but you would have thought that one would have been put in place.
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2015 15:11:16 GMT
But official figures on their recycling are also evidence: - A league table compiled by recycling and resource management company, Sita, put Brighton at 306 out of 326 councils. Pretty fookin shite for somebody to supposedly be a green party Yep, certainly does seem a bit of a crap result for them on that front. I don't know enough on the situation to comment in their defence, it does say in the BBC report that it has improved and they have struggled since the bin man strikes but you would still expect a better performance wouldn't you. I've no idea personally about the comment that the City has never had a garden waste collection service which is the excuse given for languishing at the bottom end of the league table but you would have thought that one would have been put in place. You would have thought so, if Stoke on trent council can do it, any council should be able to
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Post by salopstick on Jan 30, 2015 15:38:27 GMT
You know a thread is beyond debate when an article from the Spectator is used as evidence. And before the rants start i'd say exactly the same if it was the Morning Star or for that matter Viz. But official figures on their recycling are also evidence: - A league table compiled by recycling and resource management company, Sita, put Brighton at 306 out of 326 councils. Pretty fookin shite for somebody to supposedly be a green party Northy you have singlehandedly beat the green argument. I will let fraise get you a pint tomorrow.
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 15:49:35 GMT
But official figures on their recycling are also evidence: - A league table compiled by recycling and resource management company, Sita, put Brighton at 306 out of 326 councils. Pretty fookin shite for somebody to supposedly be a green party Northy you have singlehandedly beat the green argument. I will let fraise get you a pint tomorrow. I've no doubt you actually choose to believe that as well. It's that simple for some eh.
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2015 15:52:07 GMT
But official figures on their recycling are also evidence: - A league table compiled by recycling and resource management company, Sita, put Brighton at 306 out of 326 councils. Pretty fookin shite for somebody to supposedly be a green party Northy you have singlehandedly beat the green argument. I will let fraise get you a pint tomorrow. not down tomorrow, as it's my birthday today, cheers everybody , the daughter is coming home from Uni for the weekend for family time etc. etc., and I'm suppose to be happy about this I'm also missing the Alsager 5 miler on Sunday morning. Save it for the Citeh match
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Post by salopstick on Jan 30, 2015 15:53:42 GMT
Northy you have singlehandedly beat the green argument. I will let fraise get you a pint tomorrow. not down tomorrow, as it's my birthday today, cheers everybody , the daughter is coming home from Uni for the weekend for family time etc. etc., and I'm suppose to be happy about this I'm also missing the Alsager 5 miler on Sunday morning. Save it for the Citeh match i will tell fraise
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2015 15:57:00 GMT
not down tomorrow, as it's my birthday today, cheers everybody , the daughter is coming home from Uni for the weekend for family time etc. etc., and I'm suppose to be happy about this I'm also missing the Alsager 5 miler on Sunday morning. Save it for the Citeh match i will tell fraise jammers already has, he wouldn't stop laughing when I told him at Rochdale on Monday,
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Post by salopstick on Jan 30, 2015 16:00:36 GMT
Northy you have singlehandedly beat the green argument. I will let fraise get you a pint tomorrow. I've no doubt you actually choose to believe that as well. It's that simple for some eh. To be fair when they can't organise recycling in the one place they have an MP and above average support how can they be trusted to sort out the rest of the country.
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 16:13:28 GMT
I've no doubt you actually choose to believe that as well. It's that simple for some eh. To be fair when they can't organise recycling in the one place they have an MP and above average support how can they be trusted to sort out the rest of the country. Well like i say, i don't know enough about this local issue enough to pass comment in their defence. I could offer a scenario though. Perhaps due to the draconian cuts the Tories have imposed on local councils that if they did decide to spend money on a new recycling scheme to dispose of garden waste then they would have to close down daycare centers for people with learning difficulties and all youth clubs. Harsh decisions to be made in order to bail out the Cities mistakes at the expense of public services. I don't know, it could just be an incompetence, but i'd bet things are not as quite as simplistic as you'd wish to believe.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 30, 2015 16:22:20 GMT
Bollocks I've had green bins for over 10 years in Shropshire and oxfordshire
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 30, 2015 16:38:31 GMT
Bollocks I've had green bins for over 10 years in Shropshire and oxfordshire It did say in the report that they have not inherited a previous provision for this service though. Also mitigating circumstances and this from a Conservative councilor: "When the [bin] strike was on people were fed up with waiting, we didn't know if they'd be there so everything went in the bin. It has never got back to normal since the strikes."
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