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Post by redwhite on Jan 26, 2015 17:34:05 GMT
Amazed there are mentions of Ross Barkley. He's criminally underrated IMO.
Most overrated currently is probably De Gea. He's treated as though he's just about the best keeper in the World because he's having a good spell. He's undeniably having a better season than Bego at the moment, but for the past few seasons Bego has made him look very average and hasn't got anywhere near the amount of plaudits.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 17:39:20 GMT
Amazed there are mentions of Ross Barkley. He's criminally underrated IMO. Most overrated currently is probably De Gea. He's treated as though he's just about the best keeper in the World because he's having a good spell. He's undeniably having a better season than Bego at the moment, but for the past few seasons Bego has made him look very average and hasn't got anywhere near the amount of plaudits. Yes but De Gea in the past few seasons was still a kid in Goalkeeping terms. De Gea is fastly becoming one of the world's best keepers,and when I say one of the best I mean top two or three. Begovic is a top top keeper but in my opinion De Gea will go on to achieve more in the game.
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Post by redwhite on Jan 26, 2015 17:42:11 GMT
Amazed there are mentions of Ross Barkley. He's criminally underrated IMO. Most overrated currently is probably De Gea. He's treated as though he's just about the best keeper in the World because he's having a good spell. He's undeniably having a better season than Bego at the moment, but for the past few seasons Bego has made him look very average and hasn't got anywhere near the amount of plaudits. Yes but De Gea in the past few seasons was still a kid in Goalkeeping terms. De Gea is fastly becoming one of the world's best keepers,and when I say one of the best I mean top two or three. Begovic is a top top keeper but in my opinion De Gea will go on to achieve more in the game. He may well achieve more. I was more on about how his performances this season seem to be treated as otherworldly, when Bego was doing exactly the same last season.
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Post by superscfc on Jan 26, 2015 18:07:00 GMT
Vincent Kompany, Callum chambers, Gary Cahill, Jack Wilshere, Fabian Delph, Raheem Sterling, Romelu Lukaku, Robin Van Persie, Steven Gerrard There are some strange names in that list. Kompany,Gerrard and Van Persie all overrated? Ah or ate then. Did you watch City vs Boro'? Kompany was poor, don't want to get started on Gerrard, RVP has a lethal shot but has looked poor at United since Fergie left
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 18:20:34 GMT
Yes but De Gea in the past few seasons was still a kid in Goalkeeping terms. De Gea is fastly becoming one of the world's best keepers,and when I say one of the best I mean top two or three. Begovic is a top top keeper but in my opinion De Gea will go on to achieve more in the game. He may well achieve more. I was more on about how his performances this season seem to be treated as otherworldly, when Bego was doing exactly the same last season. Fair enough. I don't particularly think people have gone over the top in their praise for De Gea this season,because he has been superb from what I've seen of him. I wouldn't disagree with you about Begovic last season though because he was one of,if not the best goalie in the premier league,but I suppose it goes with the territory of playing for a mid table team,as in you don't get the credit you deserve.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 18:30:27 GMT
There are some strange names in that list. Kompany,Gerrard and Van Persie all overrated? Ah or ate then. Did you watch City vs Boro'? Kompany was poor, don't want to get started on Gerrard, RVP has a lethal shot but has looked poor at United since Fergie left Without Vincent Kompany the champions of our country look an absolute shambles at the back,regardless of how he performed on saturday,when the whole Man City team were well below par for obvious reasons. Kompany has been an absolute rock for them and is a top quality centre half who would make pretty much everyone's premier league eleven. You don't want to get started on Gerrard? I can understand why because you will just make yourself look daft by trying to say that one of Liverpool's all time greatest footballers is overrated As far as Van Persie is concerned then he has been a bit hit and miss at United apart from his first season there. But he is a world class forward who has scored goals at every level he has played at and for that reason he fails to be classed as overrated.
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Post by superscfc on Jan 26, 2015 18:49:20 GMT
Did you watch City vs Boro'? Kompany was poor, don't want to get started on Gerrard, RVP has a lethal shot but has looked poor at United since Fergie left Without Vincent Kompany the champions of our country look an absolute shambles at the back,regardless of how he performed on saturday,when the whole Man City team were well below par for obvious reasons. Kompany has been an absolute rock for them and is a top quality centre half who would make pretty much everyone's premier league eleven. You don't want to get started on Gerrard? I can understand why because you will just make yourself look daft by trying to say that one of Liverpool's all time greatest footballers is overrated As far as Van Persie is concerned then he has been a bit hit and miss at United apart from his first season there. But he is a world class forward who has scored goals at every level he has played at and for that reason he fails to be classed as overrated. City coped pretty well in November/December without Kompany, when YAYA TOURE is out of the squad they are poor. Kompany is dubbed as the best defender in the prem and one of in world football, I'm sorry but I reckon there's a few premier league defenders better than him. I don't want to get started on Gerrard because there's a load of people who will no doubt love him on here. I think Gerrard has been living on his name reputation for about 4-5 years, I have always ranked Frank Lampard as a better player and always will, a lot of Liverpool fans believe he's the second coming of Christ himself, he was a good player in his prime but he is no longer one of the best midfielders in the league, genuinely rather have N'zonzi (different player I know). RVP has been mainly miss, he was great in his debut season under Fergie's guidance, he was ok at the world cup but bar his hat-trick against Olympiakos and his last minute goal against Chelsea this season he has done very little. A lethal finisher but like Gerrard and Kompany he's known as world class for his previous rather than current form. All overrated.
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Post by bobdebilde on Jan 26, 2015 18:57:13 GMT
jordan henderson shite and now automatic choice for england
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 26, 2015 18:57:42 GMT
So your saying that rooney is in the same bracket as Aguero,neymar,suarez,costa,?When you say best two forwards i take it you mean messi and ronaldo.Wayne rooney is third division material compared to any of these! You mean Suarez who is currently busy proving he was a one season wonder at Liverpool? Costa who had never scored more than 10 goals in a season until last year? Neymar who has helped the previously all conquering Barcelona to win the square root of nothing so far? Versus Wayne Rooney who has been the cornerstone of a team thats won 5 league titles, 2 league cups, won a champions league and made the final of 2 more in the 10 years he's been performing at the top level there? Yeah, id say he stands in the same bracket. Some people are blinded by the hatred of the team he plays for. Ronaldo was the same. You are entitled to your opinion mate,but if you put aguero,costa neymar,suarez and your mr rooney on the transfer market,rooney would almost certainly fetch the least!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 19:02:54 GMT
Without Vincent Kompany the champions of our country look an absolute shambles at the back,regardless of how he performed on saturday,when the whole Man City team were well below par for obvious reasons. Kompany has been an absolute rock for them and is a top quality centre half who would make pretty much everyone's premier league eleven. You don't want to get started on Gerrard? I can understand why because you will just make yourself look daft by trying to say that one of Liverpool's all time greatest footballers is overrated As far as Van Persie is concerned then he has been a bit hit and miss at United apart from his first season there. But he is a world class forward who has scored goals at every level he has played at and for that reason he fails to be classed as overrated. City coped pretty well in November/December without Kompany, when YAYA TOURE is out of the squad they are poor. Kompany is dubbed as the best defender in the prem and one of in world football, I'm sorry but I reckon there's a few premier league defenders better than him. I don't want to get started on Gerrard because there's a load of people who will no doubt love him on here. I think Gerrard has been living on his name reputation for about 4-5 years, I have always ranked Frank Lampard as a better player and always will, a lot of Liverpool fans believe he's the second coming of Christ himself, he was a good player in his prime but he is no longer one of the best midfielders in the league, genuinely rather have N'zonzi (different player I know). RVP has been mainly miss, he was great in his debut season under Fergie's guidance, he was ok at the world cup but bar his hat-trick against Olympiakos and his last minute goal against Chelsea this season he has done very little. A lethal finisher but like Gerrard and Kompany he's known as world class for his previous rather than current form. All overrated. Name me 5 better centre halves than Kompany in the premier league. In their prime Gerrard was the better midfielder out of himself and Lampard. Gerrard was the most complete midfielder and almost singlehandedly dragged an average Liverpool side to Eufa,FA and European cup titles. It has nothing to do with loving him either,it's just about recognising top quality footballers when I see them. You seem to be basing your decision on current form, but these players have performed at the very top level for a number of years now and in my opinion are exempt from being classed as overrated. Oh and for the record,and as much as I love Steven Nzonzi,he isn't in the same league as a footballer as Gerrard has been.
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Post by superscfc on Jan 26, 2015 19:08:52 GMT
City coped pretty well in November/December without Kompany, when YAYA TOURE is out of the squad they are poor. Kompany is dubbed as the best defender in the prem and one of in world football, I'm sorry but I reckon there's a few premier league defenders better than him. I don't want to get started on Gerrard because there's a load of people who will no doubt love him on here. I think Gerrard has been living on his name reputation for about 4-5 years, I have always ranked Frank Lampard as a better player and always will, a lot of Liverpool fans believe he's the second coming of Christ himself, he was a good player in his prime but he is no longer one of the best midfielders in the league, genuinely rather have N'zonzi (different player I know). RVP has been mainly miss, he was great in his debut season under Fergie's guidance, he was ok at the world cup but bar his hat-trick against Olympiakos and his last minute goal against Chelsea this season he has done very little. A lethal finisher but like Gerrard and Kompany he's known as world class for his previous rather than current form. All overrated. Name me 5 better centre halves than Kompany in the premier league. In their prime Gerrard was the better midfielder out of himself and Lampard. Gerrard was the most complete midfielder and almost singlehandedly dragged an average Liverpool side to Eufa,FA and European cup titles. It has nothing to do with loving him either,it's just about recognising top quality footballers when I see them. You seem to be basing your decision on current form, but these players have performed at the very top level for a number of years now and in my opinion are exempt from being classed as overrated. Oh and for the record,and as much as I love Steven Nzonzi,he isn't in the same league as a footballer as Gerrard has been. It's opinion based, Shawcross, Koscienly, Terry, Fonte and Reid are all having a better season than Kompany. I have always been a bigger fan of Lampard than Gerrard and IMO Scholes was the complete midfielder. Xabi Alonso was the better midfielder than Gerrard when they played alongside one another. Admittedly Gerrard WAS a better player than N'Zonzi but right now in 2015 I would rather have our french midfielder Neither of us are right or wrong it's purely based on opinion. It's like another fan from Villa, Arsenal etc saying Shawcross is a shit centre half or Bojan is a flash in the pan etc
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Post by RAF on Jan 26, 2015 19:10:54 GMT
City coped pretty well in November/December without Kompany, when YAYA TOURE is out of the squad they are poor. Kompany is dubbed as the best defender in the prem and one of in world football, I'm sorry but I reckon there's a few premier league defenders better than him. I don't want to get started on Gerrard because there's a load of people who will no doubt love him on here. I think Gerrard has been living on his name reputation for about 4-5 years, I have always ranked Frank Lampard as a better player and always will, a lot of Liverpool fans believe he's the second coming of Christ himself, he was a good player in his prime but he is no longer one of the best midfielders in the league, genuinely rather have N'zonzi (different player I know). RVP has been mainly miss, he was great in his debut season under Fergie's guidance, he was ok at the world cup but bar his hat-trick against Olympiakos and his last minute goal against Chelsea this season he has done very little. A lethal finisher but like Gerrard and Kompany he's known as world class for his previous rather than current form. All overrated. Name me 5 better centre halves than Kompany in the premier league. In their prime Gerrard was the better midfielder out of himself and Lampard. Gerrard was the most complete midfielder and almost singlehandedly dragged an average Liverpool side to Eufa,FA and European cup titles. It has nothing to do with loving him either,it's just about recognising top quality footballers when I see them. You seem to be basing your decision on current form, but these players have performed at the very top level for a number of years now and in my opinion are exempt from being classed as overrated. Oh and for the record,and as much as I love Steven Nzonzi,he isn't in the same league as a footballer as Gerrard has been. Gerrard was never the same player without Alonso along side him. He did all the donkey work. I rate Lampard over Gerrard as well. I used to rate Kompany but I think he's coming to the end of his shelf life H
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 19:13:02 GMT
Name me 5 better centre halves than Kompany in the premier league. In their prime Gerrard was the better midfielder out of himself and Lampard. Gerrard was the most complete midfielder and almost singlehandedly dragged an average Liverpool side to Eufa,FA and European cup titles. It has nothing to do with loving him either,it's just about recognising top quality footballers when I see them. You seem to be basing your decision on current form, but these players have performed at the very top level for a number of years now and in my opinion are exempt from being classed as overrated. Oh and for the record,and as much as I love Steven Nzonzi,he isn't in the same league as a footballer as Gerrard has been. It's opinion based, Shawcross, Koscienly, Terry, Fonte and Reid are all having a better season than Kompany. I have always been a bigger fan of Lampard than Gerrard and IMO Scholes was the complete midfielder. Xabi Alonso was the better midfielder than Gerrard when they played alongside one another. Admittedly Gerrard WAS a better player than N'Zonzi but right now in 2015 I would rather have our french midfielder Neither of us are right or wrong it's purely based on opinion. It's like another fan from Villa, Arsenal etc saying Shawcross is a shit centre half or Bojan is a flash in the pan etc Fair enough we may as well leave it there because as you say it is all opinion based,and we would be better channelling all our energy into beating Rochdale and getting a decent draw in the next round
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Post by superscfc on Jan 26, 2015 19:22:46 GMT
Name me 5 better centre halves than Kompany in the premier league. In their prime Gerrard was the better midfielder out of himself and Lampard. Gerrard was the most complete midfielder and almost singlehandedly dragged an average Liverpool side to Eufa,FA and European cup titles. It has nothing to do with loving him either,it's just about recognising top quality footballers when I see them. You seem to be basing your decision on current form, but these players have performed at the very top level for a number of years now and in my opinion are exempt from being classed as overrated. Oh and for the record,and as much as I love Steven Nzonzi,he isn't in the same league as a footballer as Gerrard has been. Gerrard was never the same player without Alonso along side him. He did all the donkey work. I rate Lampard over Gerrard as well. I used to rate Kompany but I think he's coming to the end of his shelf life H Glad I'm not the only one with that opinion Anyway on goes the draw
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 19:24:58 GMT
Gerrard was never the same player without Alonso along side him. He did all the donkey work. I rate Lampard over Gerrard as well. I used to rate Kompany but I think he's coming to the end of his shelf life H Glad I'm not the only one with that opinion Anyway on goes the draw It is only RAF though mate
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Post by RAF on Jan 26, 2015 19:31:59 GMT
Glad I'm not the only one with that opinion Anyway on goes the draw It is only RAF though mate :) Dunna kid yourself that your opinion holds any more water! H :)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 19:33:35 GMT
It is only RAF though mate Dunna kid yourself that your opinion holds any more water! H It does to me! But I'm under no illusions that it means absolutely fucking nothing to anyone else
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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 2, 2015 8:46:22 GMT
Hmmm if rumours are to be believed I might have to eat some humble pie
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Post by staffsvilla on Feb 2, 2015 9:08:39 GMT
most of the players already mentioned at least have some ability and some kind of footballing brain my candidate has neither all he has[well had] is some pace and the ability to 'push and run', the fact he got an England cap summed up how poor England's options at the time had become, in fact his only worthwhile achievement is consistently scoring v Small Heath [and that's not exactly a world shattering achievement] i give you that 'pacey striker'
Gabby Agbonlahor
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Post by roberthuth4 on Feb 2, 2015 9:09:24 GMT
Jesus navas
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Post by roberthuth4 on Feb 2, 2015 9:12:54 GMT
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Post by redstriper on Feb 2, 2015 9:33:59 GMT
Amazed there are mentions of Ross Barkley. He's criminally underrated IMO. Most overrated currently is probably De Gea. He's treated as though he's just about the best keeper in the World because he's having a good spell. He's undeniably having a better season than Bego at the moment, but for the past few seasons Bego has made him look very average and hasn't got anywhere near the amount of plaudits. Barkley was called up for England seniors after 7 premier league games. He may turn out to be a great player, he is still young, but based on what he has actually achieved so far he is massively over-rated.
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 7, 2015 22:20:02 GMT
Amazed there are mentions of Ross Barkley. He's criminally underrated IMO. Most overrated currently is probably De Gea. He's treated as though he's just about the best keeper in the World because he's having a good spell. He's undeniably having a better season than Bego at the moment, but for the past few seasons Bego has made him look very average and hasn't got anywhere near the amount of plaudits. Barkley was called up for England seniors after 7 premier league games. He may turn out to be a great player, he is still young, but based on what he has actually achieved so far he is massively over-rated. Watched him today... his cameo was well, utterly horrid barring one great pass. He has talent but they continue to use an unbalanced lineup from the start... Nobody comes to the ball for Besic or Barkley when he appeared. The boos at Goodison when Besic came off as if they knew their chances to win went with him for linkup play. I would of taken Naismith off anyways but left Besic behind Barkley. Some really daft coaching decisions in this league this season. Makes you really wonder...
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 7, 2015 22:21:05 GMT
Lukako....how much?????
Everton backed the wrong horse
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 7, 2015 22:22:49 GMT
Lukako....how much????? Everton backed the wrong horse His buildup play was just terrible he kept going offside for the damn through balls instead of coming to the CM's and squaring up... Everton season in a nutshell.
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