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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2015 15:46:10 GMT
The referee is bound by the rules of the game and he makes a decision on handball based on those three points as I understand it.
He isn't concerned with who wins or loses the game, just interpreting the rules correctly.
Of course they may well make errors of judgement.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 1, 2015 15:46:32 GMT
The linesman on the Q railing side was also a right twat gave nothing our way , looked shit scared to put his flag up, incompetent the lot of them. Yep that's what I got , only when falco goes down like a fucking big girls blouse he couldn't put his flag up quick enough
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 1, 2015 15:47:06 GMT
Which decision did Mason bottle? In out game Oliver had a shocker too much pop or early senility. My money is on a combination if both
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Post by tuum on Jan 1, 2015 15:47:49 GMT
Imagine it the other way and what the decision would have been There was one the other way round. Walters in the 1st half, ManU players appealed very strongly, also not given. Walters hand was down by his side.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 1, 2015 15:47:54 GMT
The linesman on the Q railing side was also a right twat gave nothing our way , looked shit scared to put his flag up, incompetent the lot of them. Yep that's what I got , only when falcau goes down like a fucking big girls blouse he couldn't put his flag up quick enough
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 1, 2015 15:50:32 GMT
The referee is bound by the rules of the game and he makes a decision on handball based on those three points as I understand it. He isn't concerned with who wins or loses the game, just interpreting the rules correctly. Of course they may well make errors of judgement. Bollocks , if his arms are in an unnatural position the other two criteria don't come into play , it's a stonewall penalty !
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 1, 2015 15:51:21 GMT
The referee is bound by the rules of the game and he makes a decision on handball based on those three points as I understand it. He isn't concerned with who wins or loses the game, just interpreting the rules correctly. Of course they may well make errors of judgement. Behave yourself! I cannot believe you are trying to defend that decision! It was corrupt as it will ever be, perfect view and blatant hand ball! Also in the view of consistency why were we not granted a number of penalties for pulling and grappling similar to that which was awarded against us BY HIM in favour of Swansea??
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Post by fca47 on Jan 1, 2015 15:52:36 GMT
He knocks the ball down with his hands, he is not protecting his face or anything, one of the most blatant penalties Oliver will never see.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 1, 2015 15:53:19 GMT
I have posted the rules, where have I defended this decision? Geoff, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, will you just fuck off?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 15:56:38 GMT
Have we found out who Geoff really is yet?
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Post by fca47 on Jan 1, 2015 15:58:40 GMT
I see Liverpool have been given two dodgy penalties against Leicester, I think there is definite bias amongst refs.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 1, 2015 16:01:48 GMT
The referee is bound by the rules of the game and he makes a decision on handball based on those three points as I understand it. He isn't concerned with who wins or loses the game, just interpreting the rules correctly. Of course they may well make errors of judgement. Rubbish All referees know the consequences of a decision that goes against a big club be it consciously or subconsciously As has been stated, you know, I know, we all know that if it had been Ryan Shawcross's hand in front of the Stretford End what the decision would have been
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 1, 2015 16:10:18 GMT
If you mean the penalty. Did you notice the defender looked at the ref. He knew hed handled it. This this and this again. Disgraceful decision.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 1, 2015 16:10:39 GMT
I thought he was really good first half, someone must've had a word at half time.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 1, 2015 16:13:25 GMT
Have we found out who Geoff really is yet? He's a wind up merchant. One of the best ever on this forum.
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Post by mrred on Jan 1, 2015 16:16:08 GMT
As bent as I've seen since Rob Styles. We say the penalty from the south stand. Speaking of which, Oliver was watching their players man handling ours and decided to look away, even with half the stand shouting at them.
If he's the poster boy of new referees, expect many more years of bias and inconsistency.
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Post by thehoof on Jan 1, 2015 16:27:32 GMT
It is his blatant inconsistency that is the problem, as Webby has pointed out. Far more grabbing of shirts and manhandling of attackers at corners by Man U than we have seen for a while. However it appears that in Oliver's eyes, the only person to do it is a certain Centre Half in red and white stripes. I am now awaiting Geoff to put me right, with how Mr Oliver will only have considered the fact that he warned Ryan, therefore it was a penalty, and he had'nt warned any of Rooney, Smalling,Jones.It's only a penalty if you are warned, yes Geoff?
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Post by mailman44 on Jan 1, 2015 16:32:25 GMT
The lad is simply overwhelmed by the big stage, too much too soon for the boy Oliver. Had a look of fear ion his face for the whole match. Even my 7 year old asked why he looked so scared. Boy among men and all that.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 1, 2015 16:36:33 GMT
Apart from not giving the penalty I don't think he got anything wrong. Refs don't give offsides linesmen do and if it's the incident I'm thinking of Diouf was off Can't comment on the offside but in the second half he could (and should) have given us 3 penalties, 2 for handball by Smalling and one for a foul on Cameron on the line. And in the first half he could have given any number of penalties for holding on Crouch. On one his shirt was pulled almost over the top of his head but still no decision unlike the one he gave against Stoke. Falcao did not attempt at any point to challenge for the ball but each time fouled the man and came away with a free kick for himself. I can't be arsed to think of anything else but yes you're right Oliver had a fucking stormer and was totally unbiased.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 1, 2015 16:38:54 GMT
The referee is bound by the rules of the game and he makes a decision on handball based on those three points as I understand it. He isn't concerned with who wins or loses the game, just interpreting the rules correctly. Of course they may well make errors of judgement. Rubbish All referees know the consequences of a decision that goes against a big club be it consciously or subconsciously As has been stated, you know, I know, we all know that if it had been Ryan Shawcross's hand in front of the Stretford End what the decision would have been Was it any different to Ryan Shawcross' handball away at Spurs last season? No, I didn't think so. Was it any different to Danny Pugh's handball v Arsenal in the infamous Ramsey injury game? No, I didn't think so. It amazes me how Manure get the benefit of the officials decisions 99 times out of 100. I haven't seen the incident on TV but at the game, I'm struggling to see how it wasn't a penalty.
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jan 1, 2015 16:40:56 GMT
Stonewall penalty, disgraceful decision.
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 1, 2015 16:42:36 GMT
Mayf. Specsavers for you, you blind twat
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 16:51:16 GMT
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Post by ianstokie on Jan 1, 2015 16:55:07 GMT
I would really like these PL referees to have to explain themselves when there are question marks over decisions.
Today, I would love to know why Oliver thought that was not a penalty.
Otherwise we are left with the obvious (?dubious) conclusions (tempered by our passion for SCFC), that referees are bent, biased, cheats.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 16:59:39 GMT
I think the way that every Stoke player appealed for it showed there was no possible doubt that it was a definite penalty - clearly a stonewall penalty.
The ref bottled making the decision.
Big club bias - yet again.
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Post by greyman on Jan 1, 2015 17:01:54 GMT
I tend to ask the question - if a goalie had done it would we think it was a good save? On that basis, blatant handball.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 1, 2015 17:05:12 GMT
Moves his hand to the ball, clear pen, awful decision.
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Post by whereami on Jan 1, 2015 17:07:23 GMT
Apart from not giving the penalty I don't think he got anything wrong. Refs don't give offsides linesmen do and if it's the incident I'm thinking of Diouf was off Can't comment on the offside but in the second half he could (and should) have given us 3 penalties, 2 for handball by Smalling and one for a foul on Cameron on the line. And in the first half he could have given any number of penalties for holding on Crouch. On one his shirt was pulled almost over the top of his head but still no decision unlike the one he gave against Stoke. Falcao did not attempt at any point to challenge for the ball but each time fouled the man and came away with a free kick for himself. I can't be arsed to think of anything else but yes you're right Oliver had a fucking stormer and was totally unbiased. deinitely this for me. this thread should be about the foul on Cameron by Van Persie when he blatantly makes no attempt to play the ball, that we even have to mention NOT getting a penalty for the Smalling handball is almost laughable
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2015 17:08:58 GMT
It looked a pen at the game and it looks a pen now I've seen it on TV.
This is the referee who showed himself to be an incompetent buffoon when we played Swansea.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 1, 2015 17:09:51 GMT
Under the new rules the referee has to consider: Proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball. The speed of the ball hitting the potential offender. Whether the potential offender was placing his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him. That's the new instruction to the officials apparently. So based exactly on those rules ... why hasn't he given the penalty then?
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