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Post by theonlywayisstoke on Jan 1, 2015 15:09:28 GMT
It was really irritating and a definite pen, but I think we have been let off a few things this season. Swings and roundabouts and all that...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2015 15:10:32 GMT
He was awful he gave them everything
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Post by brumstokie on Jan 1, 2015 15:12:32 GMT
Crouchy was dragged down several times that went unpunished. Oliver is the worse ref in the Premiership. He needs demoting. Agreed. It's amazing how he keeps getting matches. He's just simply incompetent.
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Post by fca47 on Jan 1, 2015 15:14:15 GMT
Refs are not biased - you have got to be joking , Falcao stamped on two players today and we didn't get a foul. Crouch continually pushed no fouls.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 1, 2015 15:19:54 GMT
Imagine it the other way and what the decision would have been There was one the other way round. Walters in the 1st half, ManU players appealed very strongly, also not given. Nothing like it - I am suprised how you cannot differentiate I'm all for a balanced perspective but as a Stoke fan I am amazed how you can even consider defending Oliver
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 15:20:12 GMT
He's gutless. He always has been and always will be. He bottles the big decisions against the big sides.
He's not fit for purpose and should be struck off the referees list altogether.
You need a new career mate, because you conner ref for toffee!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 1, 2015 15:20:19 GMT
I know refs aren't going get everything right but ferfuxache he was standing next to it. Smallings arm was up.
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Post by LiverpoolStokie on Jan 1, 2015 15:24:09 GMT
I suspect the Everton fans feel the same about Lee Mason after the Boxing Day game. It's also worth remembering the storm Oliver caused by giving the Moses pen int the same game he gave the one against Ryan. Not defending Oliver as I thought it was a penny today but it's a swings and roundabouts thing for me - not cheating just inconsistency from the men in the middle.
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Post by onionman on Jan 1, 2015 15:25:50 GMT
I know refs aren't going get everything right but ferfuxache he was standing next to it. Smallings arm was up. That's the worst thing about it. He clearly sees it, and then decides it's safer to cheat Stoke out of a penalty than it is to risk upsetting Man United. Utterly despicable from a referee who's obviously more concerned with advancing his own career than refereeing impartially.
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Post by Gods on Jan 1, 2015 15:26:18 GMT
Nice bit of basket ball right under the referees nose.
I guess the only argument the official could make in his defence is that his arm was coming down anyway and just happened to take the ball with it.
Overall and on balance I would say that is a penalty of anyone's money.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 1, 2015 15:26:50 GMT
There was one the other way round. Walters in the 1st half, ManU players appealed very strongly, also not given. Nothing like it - I am suprised how you cannot differentiate I'm all for a balanced perspective but as a Stoke fan I am amazed how you can even consider defending Oliver Ours was the better shout but it's not apples and oranges is it. I'm just saying if Oliver is favouring ManU like you say, he had a perfect opportunity to give them a pen - ball to hand, big appeal - but he didn't.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 1, 2015 15:27:06 GMT
I suspect the Everton fans feel the same about Lee Mason after the Boxing Day game. It's also worth remembering the storm Oliver caused by giving the Moses pen int the same game he gave the one against Ryan. Not defending Oliver as I thought it was a penny today but it's a swings and roundabouts thing for me - not cheating just inconsistency from the men in the middle. Personally not saying it's cheating but it is big club bias - he bottled it
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Post by apb1 on Jan 1, 2015 15:28:40 GMT
Amazingly we got no cards all game though. Which was nice. Overall he did ok, refused them two 'big club' penalty shouts, and made one big error.
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Post by dano75 on Jan 1, 2015 15:28:50 GMT
The linesman on the Q railing side was also a right twat gave nothing our way , looked shit scared to put his flag up, incompetent the lot of them.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 1, 2015 15:28:51 GMT
If that's a Stoke player in front of the Stretford End, guess what the outcome is...
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2015 15:31:49 GMT
Under the new rules the referee has to consider:
Proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball.
The speed of the ball hitting the potential offender.
Whether the potential offender was placing his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him.
That's the new instruction to the officials apparently.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2015 15:33:41 GMT
I can live with the penalty not being given up to a point,what really got my goat was the persistent ignoring of pushes,pulls,fouls by them and everything given the other way.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 1, 2015 15:35:41 GMT
Under the new rules the referee has to consider: Proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball. The speed of the ball hitting the potential offender. Whether the potential offender was placing his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him. That's the new instruction to the officials apparently. Here is Mr PVFC telling us why Stoke are wrong again! Are you a fan or a fucking wind up seriously?? Just once would it hurt to defend Stoke City?
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2015 15:37:13 GMT
I have posted the rules, where have I defended this decision?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 1, 2015 15:37:26 GMT
Amazingly we got no cards all game though. Which was nice. Overall he did ok, refused them two 'big club' penalty shouts, and made one big error. As I said before the game, don't expect anything. He cost us the game, how is that doing ok?
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Post by onionman on Jan 1, 2015 15:37:27 GMT
Under the new rules the referee has to consider: Proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball. The speed of the ball hitting the potential offender. Whether the potential offender was placing his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him. That's the new instruction to the officials apparently. Penalty on all three counts.
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Post by apb1 on Jan 1, 2015 15:39:25 GMT
Amazingly we got no cards all game though. Which was nice. Overall he did ok, refused them two 'big club' penalty shouts, and made one big error. As I said before the game, don't expect anything. He cost us the game, how is that doing ok? He at least didn't give them the game, as so many others have done. We should have won, and it should have been a penalty, but the whole performance wasn't that biased against us.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 1, 2015 15:40:16 GMT
I have posted the rules, where have I defended this decision? What has that achieved? You have posted the 3 rules that could possibly be used to defend the refs decision, coincidence??
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 1, 2015 15:40:20 GMT
Under the new rules the referee has to consider: Proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball. The speed of the ball hitting the potential offender. Whether the potential offender was placing his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him. That's the new instruction to the officials apparently. Oh up pops our resident vale fan to defend the indefensible, Mason bottled the decision end of even the pundits appear to agree with us.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 1, 2015 15:40:41 GMT
Definitely a penalty but the phrase "arm in an unnatural position" always amusesme.It's as if it was sticking out from his knee rather than his shoulder.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 1, 2015 15:43:23 GMT
As I said before the game, don't expect anything. He cost us the game, how is that doing ok? He at least didn't give them the game, as so many others have done. We should have won, and it should have been a penalty, but the whole performance wasn't that biased against us. Stonewall penalty which he saw and did not award. Yet again an official cost us victory, which was so easy to call even before kick off.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 1, 2015 15:44:12 GMT
Here is Mr PVFC telling us why Stoke are wrong again! Are you a fan or a fucking wind up seriously?? Just once would it hurt to defend Stoke City? Spot on mate. This Vale cant needs banning, he's more biased than Lee Mason or Twatkinson he needs to fuck off up the Vale for good.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 1, 2015 15:44:13 GMT
Not just the penno shout - Crouch was being manhandled all over the place and Falcau was allowed to get away with several nasty niggly stuff......
Amazed by he lack of Fergie time - cannot recall last time there was only 2 mins in the second half - good to see.....4 subs x 30 secs = 2 mins - we all expected 5
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 1, 2015 15:44:24 GMT
Under the new rules the referee has to consider: Proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball. The speed of the ball hitting the potential offender. Whether the potential offender was placing his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him. That's the new instruction to the officials apparently. Oh up pops our resident vale fan to defend the indefensible, Mason bottled the decision end of even the pundits appear to agree with us. Which decision did Mason bottle? In our game Oliver had a shocker
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 1, 2015 15:46:08 GMT
Oh up pops our resident vale fan to defend the indefensible, Mason bottled the decision end of even the pundits appear to agree with us. Which decision did Mason bottle? In out game Oliver had a shocker too much pop or early senility.
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