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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2014 21:06:23 GMT
Today was an odd one wasn't it.
On the face of it, we've played well. 2 fine saves from the keeper, hit the post, one cleared off the line and another absolute late sitter missed suggests we've turned in our best performance at Anfield since our return to the top flight.
That was certainly the opinion of the Scousers I had to watch the game with.
HOWEVER, they were absolutely toss and several of our players, 3 in particular, turned in as bad a performance as you're ever likely to see at this level.
In truth, despite some positives on the face of it, today was a game between two very poor sides and we were dreadful for the most part with only 5 players playing anything like they are capable of.
I'm very, very annoyed tonight.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 29, 2014 21:08:32 GMT
Today was an odd one wasn't it. On the face of it, we've played well. 2 fine saves from the keeper, hit the post, one cleared off the line and another absolute late sitter missed suggests we've turned in our best performance at Anfield since our return to the top flight. That was certainly the opinion of the Scousers I had to watch the game with. HOWEVER, they were absolutely toss and several of our players, 3 in particular, turned in as bad a performance as you're ever likely to see at this level. In truth, despite some positives on the face of it, today was a game between two very poor sides and we were dreadful for the most part with only 5 players playing anything like they are capable of. I'm very, very annoyed tonight. Are you worried at all dave? |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 29, 2014 21:08:47 GMT
Yes, it was a bit of a schizophrenic performance, I certainly needed medication after it. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 21:16:08 GMT
I watched the first half thinking "we are doing ok, we are doing ok" "don't panic"
Second half, Liverpool upped it, we stayed the same - we lost.
Perhaps we could try panicking next time?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2014 21:16:10 GMT
Today was an odd one wasn't it. On the face of it, we've played well. 2 fine saves from the keeper, hit the post, one cleared off the line and another absolute late sitter missed suggests we've turned in our best performance at Anfield since our return to the top flight. That was certainly the opinion of the Scousers I had to watch the game with. HOWEVER, they were absolutely toss and several of our players, 3 in particular, turned in as bad a performance as you're ever likely to see at this level. In truth, despite some positives on the face of it, today was a game between two very poor sides and we were dreadful for the most part with only 5 players playing anything like they are capable of. I'm very, very annoyed tonight. Are you worried at all dave? About what mutts? I'm worried that we aren't doing as well as we all hoped we would but I am not worried in the slightest about the pitfalls of relegation. We will be comfortably safe by the end of the season but will fall 4 or 5 points behind the total of last season. I'm a sad bastard and always like to track our performances on a fixture for fixture basis. From the same set of fixtures, with promoted teams taking the place of the relegated team closest to them geographically, we are 2 points ahead of last seasons total against the same teams even with our inconsistent form and catalogue of injuries |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 29, 2014 21:20:14 GMT
Are you worried at all dave? About what mutts? I'm worried that we aren't doing as well as we all hoped we would but I am not worried in the slightest about the pitfalls of relegation. We will be comfortably safe by the end of the season but will fall 4 or 5 points behind the total of last season. I'm a sad bastard and always like to track our performances on a fixture for fixture basis. From the same set of fixtures, with promoted teams taking the place of the relegated team closest to them geographically, we are 2 points ahead of last seasons total against the same teams even with our inconsistent form and catalogue of injuries I never had you down as a sad bastard mate  I'm concerned about the fact that we are losing close games most of the time.Is it bad luck or a flaw of the management team? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2014 21:30:28 GMT
About what mutts? I'm worried that we aren't doing as well as we all hoped we would but I am not worried in the slightest about the pitfalls of relegation. We will be comfortably safe by the end of the season but will fall 4 or 5 points behind the total of last season. I'm a sad bastard and always like to track our performances on a fixture for fixture basis. From the same set of fixtures, with promoted teams taking the place of the relegated team closest to them geographically, we are 2 points ahead of last seasons total against the same teams even with our inconsistent form and catalogue of injuries I never had you down as a sad bastard mate I'm concerned about the fact that we are losing close games most of the time.Is it bad luck or a flaw of the management team? You cant legislate for shit players and the amount of injuries meaning we are having to rely on those shit players. Real money needs to be spent and the likes of Wilson, Adam, Cameron and Walters need to spend less time on the pitch than they ate doing at present. You will struggle to find 3 worse performances than the ones Cameron, Walters and Adam turned in today and in the shit stakes, Wilson wasn't far behind them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 22:05:26 GMT
I never had you down as a sad bastard mate I'm concerned about the fact that we are losing close games most of the time.Is it bad luck or a flaw of the management team? You cant legislate for shit players and the amount of injuries meaning we are having to rely on those shit players. Real money needs to be spent and the likes of Wilson, Adam, Cameron and Walters need to spend less time on the pitch than they ate doing at present. You will struggle to find 3 worse performances than the ones Cameron, Walters and Adam turned in today and in the shit stakes, Wilson wasn't far behind them. Agree with this. Cameron was horrendous. Ww are lucky they didnt target him more. Adam has managed to get himself in the worst shape hes been since we signed him. Wilson is not a centre back. We have a tough run of games but next week is arsenal who have only beaten us once at our place in recent years. Then palace away. There are points available in those two games. We have obvious deficiencies and I too was angry about how we gave a poor Liverpool team chances in the second half. We had no one in midfield covering the back four and Cameron and wilson were always in the wrong position or getting skinned too easily. I hope we go back to basics against arsenal and put men behind the ball and try and keep a clean sheet. Arsenal will give us chances |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 30, 2014 9:20:06 GMT
I never had you down as a sad bastard mate I'm concerned about the fact that we are losing close games most of the time.Is it bad luck or a flaw of the management team? You cant legislate for shit players and the amount of injuries meaning we are having to rely on those shit players. Real money needs to be spent and the likes of Wilson, Adam, Cameron and Walters need to spend less time on the pitch than they ate doing at present. You will struggle to find 3 worse performances than the ones Cameron, Walters and Adam turned in today and in the shit stakes, Wilson wasn't far behind them. Wow talk about AGENDAs. How can you pick out those 4 players (Pulis era players) ahead of: Arnautovic - Stood most of the game with hands on hips and almost cost us a goal with a shit lazy pass Diouf - Looked like he was playing in roller skates the way he trapped the ball and subsequently fell over every time Those 2 guys stunk to high heaven yesterday. Walters and Adam were fairly anonymous by comparison and Wilson was solid. Cameron Ill give you was shit |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 30, 2014 9:55:49 GMT
Arnautovic was our worst player by a country mile I doubt Johnson has ever had an easier game in his life I don't think he ever tried to test him just strolled about all game and almost set them up,for a goal before not bothering th track Johnson on the winner
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 30, 2014 10:51:06 GMT
You cant legislate for shit players and the amount of injuries meaning we are having to rely on those shit players. Real money needs to be spent and the likes of Wilson, Adam, Cameron and Walters need to spend less time on the pitch than they ate doing at present. You will struggle to find 3 worse performances than the ones Cameron, Walters and Adam turned in today and in the shit stakes, Wilson wasn't far behind them. Wow talk about AGENDAs. How can you pick out those 4 players (Pulis era players) ahead of: Arnautovic - Stood most of the game with hands on hips and almost cost us a goal with a shit lazy pass Diouf - Looked like he was playing in roller skates the way he trapped the ball and subsequently fell over every time Those 2 guys stunk to high heaven yesterday. Walters and Adam were fairly anonymous by comparison and Wilson was solid. Cameron Ill give you was shit I've just lost my proper reply to this and I haven't time to do it again but in summary, if you think Wilson was solid then you don't understand the game. As for agendas and only criticising because they are Pulis signings, well that is absolute bollocks. I couldn't give a fuck who signed them. If they're shit I'll say they're shit. If they're good I'll say they're good. Hughes signed Assaidi, TWICE, and he's fucking wank! |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 30, 2014 22:06:43 GMT
[/quote] if you think Wilson was solid then you don't understand the game. [/quote] That's an astonishingly arrogant thing to say a fellow supporter who happens to have a different opinion to yourself about a players performance, Dave. Presumably based on the same understanding of the game which led you to say that Tony Pulis would never again manage in the top division a few months before he won the Premier League manager of the Season  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 22:09:24 GMT
if you think Wilson was solid then you don't understand the game. [/quote] That's an astonishingly arrogant thing to say a fellow supporter who happens to have a different opinion to yourself about a players performance, Dave. Presumably based on the same understanding of the game which led you to say that Tony Pulis would never again manage in the top division a few months before he won the Premier League manager of the Season ? [/quote] ..sniggers .... |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 30, 2014 23:11:56 GMT
if you think Wilson was solid then you don't understand the game. [/quote] That's an astonishingly arrogant thing to say a fellow supporter who happens to have a different opinion to yourself about a players performance, Dave. Presumably based on the same understanding of the game which led you to say that Tony Pulis would never again manage in the top division a few months before he won the Premier League manager of the Season ? [/quote] It may be arrogant but it is also true. A back 4 should operate in unison and ours doesn't and the main culprit for ours being all over the place is Wilson. It is clear as day for anyone to see and it isn't an opinion, its a fact. Tony Pulis would be having a coronary were he still our manager. He even alluded to this very fact in his appearance on Goals on Sunday after our defeat to Leicester. As for your Pulis comment, you are mistaking me for someone else because I never said he wouldn't manage in the Premier League again. My line was that Stoke City are the biggest club that Pulis would ever manage. I stand by that assertion. Pulis did a great job for us and he did a fantastic job for Palace which may just give him the chance to prove me wrong. I doubt it but it is more likely now than it ever has been before. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 30, 2014 23:17:28 GMT
if you think Wilson was solid then you don't understand the game. That's an astonishingly arrogant thing to say a fellow supporter who happens to have a different opinion to yourself about a players performance, Dave. Presumably based on the same understanding of the game which led you to say that Tony Pulis would never again manage in the top division a few months before he won the Premier League manager of the Season ? [/quote] ..sniggers ....[/quote] What's to snigger about? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 23:26:55 GMT
if you think Wilson was solid then you don't understand the game. That's an astonishingly arrogant thing to say a fellow supporter who happens to have a different opinion to yourself about a players performance, Dave. Presumably based on the same understanding of the game which led you to say that Tony Pulis would never again manage in the top division a few months before he won the Premier League manager of the Season ? ..sniggers ....[/quote] What's to snigger about?[/quote] I wasn't really sniggering (as such) I was blowing my nose ... |
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Post by tazi on Dec 1, 2014 0:18:23 GMT
The defending is appalling and no doubt that's from front to back.
Sort it fcuking out.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 1, 2014 11:23:07 GMT
if you think Wilson was solid then you don't understand the game. That's an astonishingly arrogant thing to say a fellow supporter who happens to have a different opinion to yourself about a players performance, Dave. Presumably based on the same understanding of the game which led you to say that Tony Pulis would never again manage in the top division a few months before he won the Premier League manager of the Season ? [/quote] It may be arrogant but it is also true. A back 4 should operate in unison and ours doesn't and the main culprit for ours being all over the place is Wilson. It is clear as day for anyone to see and it isn't an opinion, its a fact. Tony Pulis would be having a coronary were he still our manager. He even alluded to this very fact in his appearance on Goals on Sunday after our defeat to Leicester. As for your Pulis comment, you are mistaking me for someone else because I never said he wouldn't manage in the Premier League again. My line was that Stoke City are the biggest club that Pulis would ever manage. I stand by that assertion. Pulis did a great job for us and he did a fantastic job for Palace which may just give him the chance to prove me wrong. I doubt it but it is more likely now than it ever has been before. [/quote] An opinion doesn't become a "fact" just because the person holding it asserts it to be, Dave. Your fellow poster held a different opinion to yourself about a player's performance in a game. To respond to this by saying that it shows he doesn't understand the game, is a dismissive put down which would not even come well even from a football professional working at the top of the game, let alone another message Board poster. It is also counter-productive if you want to persuade others to your point of view. In my opinion (and that's all it is) you have a tendency to both hyperbole and to present things in black and white when shades of grey might be appropriate. An example (in my opinion) is your view that a third of our team gave performances on Saturday which were as bad as you are ever likely to see at this level, on a day when I thought the team did reasonably well, were the better team in the 1st half and and came quite close to scoring on no less than 5 occasions in the second half. You did say that TP would never again manage in the PL, but if you've forgotten that, fair enough, I was only using it to make the point that we all make judgements and predictions which turn out to be wrong, and therefore arrogance towards others posters is unwise. Feel free to replace my example with another of your choosing where you've turned out to be wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 11:32:40 GMT
if you think Wilson was solid then you don't understand the game. That's an astonishingly arrogant thing to say a fellow supporter who happens to have a different opinion to yourself about a players performance, Dave. Presumably based on the same understanding of the game which led you to say that Tony Pulis would never again manage in the top division a few months before he won the Premier League manager of the Season ? It may be arrogant but it is also true. A back 4 should operate in unison and ours doesn't and the main culprit for ours being all over the place is Wilson. It is clear as day for anyone to see and it isn't an opinion, its a fact. Tony Pulis would be having a coronary were he still our manager. He even alluded to this very fact in his appearance on Goals on Sunday after our defeat to Leicester. As for your Pulis comment, you are mistaking me for someone else because I never said he wouldn't manage in the Premier League again. My line was that Stoke City are the biggest club that Pulis would ever manage. I stand by that assertion. Pulis did a great job for us and he did a fantastic job for Palace which may just give him the chance to prove me wrong. I doubt it but it is more likely now than it ever has been before. Well said Malcolm. **hands davejohnno his arse on a plate** |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2014 11:35:17 GMT
Fair enough but you are still wrong about what you think my views on pulis were.
Opposition know exactly how to exploit our defensive frailty and it boils down to shape.
Danny ings told me in person and pulis alluded to it in his goals on Sunday appearance after our defeat to Leicester.
My views on the performances of some on Saturday is my opinion and where others have disagreed, discussion has ensued.
This particular matter is different. It is clear to anyone with a set of eyes that our defensive problems are because we aren't a unit. The line is all wrong and the back 4 are not operating in unison or contact with each other.
Cameron and Wilson have neither the discipline or defensive awareness to make Saturdays back 4 effective.
As for the snigger, that wasn't aimed at you but if you want to snigger that is fine. I'm not precious enough to take offence at anything that is written on here.
It's a messageboard and in the scheme of things is unimportant.
Pass on my best wishes to nello!
Edit - I've been wrong before. Of course I have, as have you. On this, I'm 100% right.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2014 11:36:20 GMT
That's an astonishingly arrogant thing to say a fellow supporter who happens to have a different opinion to yourself about a players performance, Dave. Presumably based on the same understanding of the game which led you to say that Tony Pulis would never again manage in the top division a few months before he won the Premier League manager of the Season ? It may be arrogant but it is also true. A back 4 should operate in unison and ours doesn't and the main culprit for ours being all over the place is Wilson. It is clear as day for anyone to see and it isn't an opinion, its a fact. Tony Pulis would be having a coronary were he still our manager. He even alluded to this very fact in his appearance on Goals on Sunday after our defeat to Leicester. As for your Pulis comment, you are mistaking me for someone else because I never said he wouldn't manage in the Premier League again. My line was that Stoke City are the biggest club that Pulis would ever manage. I stand by that assertion. Pulis did a great job for us and he did a fantastic job for Palace which may just give him the chance to prove me wrong. I doubt it but it is more likely now than it ever has been before. Well said Malcolm. **hands davejohnno his arse on a plate** As if he does. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 11:36:34 GMT
Fair enough but you are still wrong about what you think my views on pulis were. Opposition know exactly how to exploit our defensive frailty and it boils down to shape. Danny ings told me in person and pulis alluded to it in his goals on Sunday appearance after our defeat to Leicester. My views on the performances of some on Saturday is my opinion and where others have disagreed, discussion has ensued. This particular matter is different. It is clear to anyone with a set of eyes that are defensive problems are because we aren't a unit. The line is all wrong and the back 4 are not operating in unison or contact with each other. Cameron and Wilson have neither the discipline or defensive awareness to make Saturdays back 4 effective. As for the snigger, that wasn't aimed at you but if you want to snigger that is fine. I'm not precious enough to take offence at anything that is written on here. It's a messageboard and in the scheme of things is unimportant. Pass on my best wishes to nello! Still failing to see Pieters faults for the goal? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2014 11:40:20 GMT
Fair enough but you are still wrong about what you think my views on pulis were. Opposition know exactly how to exploit our defensive frailty and it boils down to shape. Danny ings told me in person and pulis alluded to it in his goals on Sunday appearance after our defeat to Leicester. My views on the performances of some on Saturday is my opinion and where others have disagreed, discussion has ensued. This particular matter is different. It is clear to anyone with a set of eyes that are defensive problems are because we aren't a unit. The line is all wrong and the back 4 are not operating in unison or contact with each other. Cameron and Wilson have neither the discipline or defensive awareness to make Saturdays back 4 effective. As for the snigger, that wasn't aimed at you but if you want to snigger that is fine. I'm not precious enough to take offence at anything that is written on here. It's a messageboard and in the scheme of things is unimportant. Pass on my best wishes to nello! Still failing to see Pieters faults for the goal? I can see the part of pieters, Adam, Wilson and Arnie in their goal. What's your point? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 11:43:33 GMT
Still failing to see Pieters faults for the goal? I can see the part of pieters, Adam, Wilson and Arnie in their goal. What's your point? My point is that yesterday you couldn't. Fact  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2014 11:46:11 GMT
I can see the part of pieters, Adam, Wilson and Arnie in their goal. What's your point? My point is that yesterday you couldn't. Fact You don't see anything ever, before, during or after a game. Fact! Pieters was not at fault for the goal. Johnson has reacted quickest and got the run on him. Pieters had a good solid game |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 11:48:40 GMT
My point is that yesterday you couldn't. Fact You don't see anything ever, before, during or after a game. Fact! Pieters was not at fault for the goal. Johnson has reacted quickest and got the run on him. Pieters had a good solid game Somebody's clearly rattled. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2014 11:59:06 GMT
You don't see anything ever, before, during or after a game. Fact! Pieters was not at fault for the goal. Johnson has reacted quickest and got the run on him. Pieters had a good solid game Somebody's clearly rattled. Rattled? What's to be rattled about? Its a messageboard forum for gods sake. Saturday has gone and I'm already looking forward to tomorrow, albeit with some trepidation. That fear isn't caused by worrying about pieters. Cameron and Wilson on the other hand... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 13:19:53 GMT
Somebody's clearly rattled. Rattled? What's to be rattled about? Its a messageboard forum for gods sake. Saturday has gone and I'm already looking forward to tomorrow, albeit with some trepidation. That fear isn't caused by worrying about pieters. Cameron and Wilson on the other hand... Let's hope Arnie just doesn't give up after 70 minutes of tireless work rate.... |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2014 13:42:02 GMT
Rattled? What's to be rattled about? Its a messageboard forum for gods sake. Saturday has gone and I'm already looking forward to tomorrow, albeit with some trepidation. That fear isn't caused by worrying about pieters. Cameron and Wilson on the other hand... Let's hope Arnie just doesn't give up after 70 minutes of tireless work rate.... Indeed. If they play lets hope Cameron and Wilson remember that their primary job is to stop the opposition and to defend as a unit, helping Ryan in the process. |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 1, 2014 13:44:19 GMT
Fair enough but you are still wrong about what you think my views on pulis were. Opposition know exactly how to exploit our defensive frailty and it boils down to shape. Danny ings told me in person and pulis alluded to it in his goals on Sunday appearance after our defeat to Leicester. My views on the performances of some on Saturday is my opinion and where others have disagreed, discussion has ensued. This particular matter is different. It is clear to anyone with a set of eyes that our defensive problems are because we aren't a unit. The line is all wrong and the back 4 are not operating in unison or contact with each other. Cameron and Wilson have neither the discipline or defensive awareness to make Saturdays back 4 effective. As for the snigger, that wasn't aimed at you but if you want to snigger that is fine. I'm not precious enough to take offence at anything that is written on here. It's a messageboard and in the scheme of things is unimportant. Pass on my best wishes to nello! Edit - I've been wrong before. Of course I have, as have you. On this, I'm 100% right. what did Ings say to you, ? |
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I'm concerned about the fact that we are losing close games most of the time.Is it bad luck or a flaw of the management team?
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