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Post by kurt on Nov 23, 2014 10:41:46 GMT
At Inter he was 19 years old, mate and with Balotelli on disco trip. Bild is as worse as your SUN. Why has he got special word of praise a few days before for his great will and his attitude concerining the games againnt Montenegro, Russia and Brazil???....and that from people in Austria blaming Arni very often. The captain of the Austrian NationalTeam said in an interview that Arni should be an example for the rest of the players concerning effort and attitude. it´s hardly possible, that Arni looses everything boarding a plane to England, isn´t it??? I haven't seen him play for Austria so I can't comment. For us this season he's been terrible which is a shame because of how he finished last season. Agree with your last sentence. No serious spectator would deny that he plays a bad season so far....it´s too little what he delivers. He had a bad start in the season, Moses is better so far, so he lost his place in the starting 11 quite rightly.....and he has a special "luck" this season, that the whole squad plays shit, when Arni is on the field. He has to work hard to return and i´m confident that he will. If there is something to blame about Arni´s attitude, it´s the fact, that he is often more motivated against the bigger teams...he should have this motivation againgst every team......now we play Liverpool, ManU and Arsenal. Hope, he get´s better against them.
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Post by albundy on Nov 23, 2014 10:46:15 GMT
Not sure why Arnie is getting all of the stick for not taking the corner. He didn't take 1 from that side all day. Muniesa took the 1 before from that side and Charlie was still on the bench at the time.
Not tracking back? There was only 1 break I remember on that side whilst he was on and he chased back and won the ball and laid it off to Muniesa who hadn't tracked back.
He made a chance by chasing down a clearance, blocking it and putting in a nice ball to the front post which crouch couldn't convert. He over hit some of his crosses and hit a terrible shot after dribbling past defenders and getting in to the box.
He played some beautiful short passes after dragging defenders out and was popping up all along the edge of the box looking for the ball. He made more chances in the 2nd half than Moses and covered more ground.
He didn't have a great game but I didn't think he was as poor as has been made out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 10:55:00 GMT
Not sure why Arnie is getting all of the stick for not taking the corner. He didn't take 1 from that side all day. Muniesa took the 1 before from that side and Charlie was still on the bench at the time. Not tracking back? There was only 1 break I remember on that side whilst he was on and he chased back and won the ball and laid it off to Muniesa who hadn't tracked back. He made a chance by chasing down a clearance, blocking it and putting in a nice ball to the front post which crouch couldn't convert. He over hit some of his crosses and hit a terrible shot after dribbling past defenders and getting in to the box. He played some beautiful short passes after dragging defenders out and was popping up all along the edge of the box looking for the ball. He made more chances in the 2nd half than Moses and covered more ground. He didn't have a great game but I didn't think he was as poor as has been made out. At last. Someone actually saying what they saw instead of using a pre-judged opinion on a player.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2014 10:56:49 GMT
Not sure why Arnie is getting all of the stick for not taking the corner. He didn't take 1 from that side all day. Muniesa took the 1 before from that side and Charlie was still on the bench at the time. Not tracking back? There was only 1 break I remember on that side whilst he was on and he chased back and won the ball and laid it off to Muniesa who hadn't tracked back. He made a chance by chasing down a clearance, blocking it and putting in a nice ball to the front post which crouch couldn't convert. He over hit some of his crosses and hit a terrible shot after dribbling past defenders and getting in to the box. He played some beautiful short passes after dragging defenders out and was popping up all along the edge of the box looking for the ball. He made more chances in the 2nd half than Moses and covered more ground. He didn't have a great game but I didn't think he was as poor as has been made out. Well said that man
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 23, 2014 10:57:34 GMT
Arnie was a mixture of good and very bad.
His skill created some great opportunities but sadly his final ball was mostly abject.
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Post by kurt on Nov 23, 2014 11:00:46 GMT
Arnie was a mixture of good and very bad. His skill created some great opportunities but sadly his final ball was mostly abject....and that´s the thing he has to improve.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 23, 2014 11:10:31 GMT
...and the amount of stick for getting caught offside because he wasn't quick enough getting back.
Just compare to the several times every single game that RF10 would just sit on the ground then amble back.
People see what they want to see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 11:23:29 GMT
...and the amount of stick for getting caught offside because he wasn't quick enough getting back. Just compare to the several times every single game that RF10 would just sit on the ground then amble back. People see what they want to see. Fuller proved on more than one occasion that he could change a game.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Nov 23, 2014 11:29:17 GMT
He reminded me of a player who was trying too hard, and that is perfectly acceptable for me. OS. Or not trying enough
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 23, 2014 11:32:42 GMT
I've had time to consider it over night and I've altered my opinion. He was actually very, very wank indeed. Wouldn't be near the pitch at Anfield for me.
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Post by huddy on Nov 23, 2014 11:34:07 GMT
Arnie is a class player, technically superb but misunderstood by many. We all admire the player with passion who rush into position and also those who make valiant attempts to put through great passes. For some reason those players with the brains to already be in the right position are considered lazy. Arnie puts some excellent passes into spaces that players ought to be running into. Arnie can pluck the ball out of the air with ease and has the strength and skill to hold onto it. Bojan has the football brain to establish a great partnership vwith Arnie. Arnie needs players of ability around him to succeed. Moses is overated because he shows a lot of effort and Arnie underrated because he doesn't. Arnie is by far a better player and deserves the opportunity to show it. Got my tin hat on but it is my opinion, having seen many similar players over the years. Having see a lot of similar players over the years I would suggest Moses may be not as technically gifted-although I'm not even sure about that.He does however possess that priceless asset-effort.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 11:44:29 GMT
He reminded me of a player who was trying too hard, and that is perfectly acceptable for me. OS. I'd agree with this. He's a player that is by nature temperamental and moody. That doesn't make him crap. He did more with the ball than Moses did, and Assaidi would have done, though his final ball was poor on many an occasion. You get the feeling that he needs to have a good half, or game, or score a goal, to get him on the up again. As an aside, but kind of on the same subject, yesterday showed that you can have all of the pace in the world across your front line, but if teams don't want to leave their own half, it's pointless having pacy, direct players in there, they just don't get chance to open up their legs. With hindsight Arnie would have been a better option than Moses from the start yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 11:45:33 GMT
Arnie is a class player, technically superb but misunderstood by many. We all admire the player with passion who rush into position and also those who make valiant attempts to put through great passes. For some reason those players with the brains to already be in the right position are considered lazy. Arnie puts some excellent passes into spaces that players ought to be running into. Arnie can pluck the ball out of the air with ease and has the strength and skill to hold onto it. Bojan has the football brain to establish a great partnership vwith Arnie. Arnie needs players of ability around him to succeed. Moses is overated because he shows a lot of effort and Arnie underrated because he doesn't. Arnie is by far a better player and deserves the opportunity to show it. Got my tin hat on but it is my opinion, having seen many similar players over the years. Having see a lot of similar players over the years I would suggest Moses may be not as technically gifted-although I'm not even sure about that.He does however possess that priceless asset-effort. Except when defending / when he doesn't have the ball.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 23, 2014 11:54:25 GMT
I've had time to consider it over night and I've altered my opinion. He was actually very, very wank indeed. Wouldn't be near the pitch at Anfield for me. I thought he was above average ranked against our other attackers when he was on the pitch, only Bojan did more in that period. Walters had disappeared, Crouch was largely invisible and Charlie was very hit and miss. He ran with the ball well, linked with Bojan and while his crosses were overhit, we rarely had enough men in the box at the back post. I would start him next week if Moses is out
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Nov 23, 2014 13:52:26 GMT
Arnie was a mixture of good and very bad. His skill created some great opportunities but sadly his final ball was mostly abject.... and that´s the thing he has to improve. That's what almost all of our team have to improve - accuracy of that final pass / shot / header, that is what was missing in a packed final third yesterday. Our approach play was generally good (and has improved beyond recognition in some respects )but we don't seem able to pick out our men in crucial situations.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2014 13:58:53 GMT
I think this thing with his final ball is being a bit overplayed. He put in five crosses yesterday. Two of them were absolutely dreadful and smacked straight over to the box for goal kicks. Two of them were terrific crosses that caused their defence problems and there was one lovely cross he put in after cutting into the box which just lacked a runner on the far post to tap it in.
So that's five crosses - four more than Moses put in - three of which were good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 14:26:37 GMT
I think this thing with his final ball is being a bit overplayed. He put in five crosses yesterday. Two of them were absolutely dreadful and smacked straight over to the box for goal kicks. Two of them were terrific crosses that caused their defence problems and there was one lovely cross he put in after cutting into the box which just lacked a runner on the far post to tap it in. So that's five crosses - four more than Moses put in - three of which were good. This isn't a pop at you mate but when you have to get to that level of debating then it speaks volumes about what exactly you are debating about and who you are debating with. Stone the crows. We'll all be sitting with an abacus soon counting the amount of times Moses dives in relation to the amount of times Arnautovic could but doesn't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2014 14:27:39 GMT
I thought Arnie was encouraging yesterday. Not great and it was the wrong sub but he looked better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 14:45:26 GMT
I thought Arnie was encouraging yesterday. Not great and it was the wrong sub but he looked better. Problem is, without a run of games, he'll not get back into his stride. Without getting into his stride, Les will not consider him a starter. I like the guy - but I'm finding the whole Arnie conundrum frustrating. He becomes automatic left-sided choice if and when Moses decides he's too good for Stoke. At which point he has to be given a run or we buy again. Forget Assaidi too.
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Post by GallysGuitar on Nov 23, 2014 15:38:46 GMT
How mind-numbingly thick can you be to boo a player whose entire game evolves around confidence.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 23, 2014 16:12:09 GMT
How mind-numbingly thick can you be to boo a player whose entire game evolves around confidence. This all the way Some fans don't deserve a Premier League team and I'm betting most of them will simply return to their armchairs when the inevitable finally happens as we will get relegated at some point in the future
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 23, 2014 16:31:58 GMT
I don't get this wrong sub. To me Assaidi is not as good a player and a waste of a loan.
We needed guile to break down their back 10, which, like it or not, Marko did at times especially with some great link up play with Bojan and Muniesa - it's a pity his final ball was mostly poor but he was far from alone in that regard.
The problem with Stoke fans is that all they want is the ball in the box at the earliest opportunity. Numerous times yesterday we were building up quite well, passing to make a clear opening but all I heard was idiots baying for the ball to be lumped in. When we did Burnley defended it easy.
Bunter Adam coming on did the square root of fook all, bar infuriate Bojan because Charlie wouldn't pass to him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:37:41 GMT
I don't get this wrong sub. To me Assaidi is not as good a player and a waste of a loan. We needed guile to break down their back 10, which, like it or not, Marko did at times especially with some great link up play with Bojan and Muniesa - it's a pity his final ball was mostly poor but he was far from alone in that regard. The problem with Stoke fans is that all they want is the ball in the box at the earliest opportunity. Numerous times yesterday we were building up quite well, passing to make a clear opening but all I heard was idiots baying for the ball to be lumped in. When we did Burnley defended it easy. Bunter Adam coming on did the square root of fook all, bar infuriate Bojan because Charlie wouldn't pass to him. Spot on Pugsley. Players with pace need space that wasn't there.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 23, 2014 16:41:18 GMT
Players with pace can create space.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 23, 2014 16:42:27 GMT
Players with pace can create space. Where, in the concourse behind the goal? They were too deep. I'm not convinced Assaidi has that blistering pace anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:42:48 GMT
Players with pace can create space. Not with 10 men behind the ball they can't. Maybe ones with supreme skill allied with pace. We don't have that.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 23, 2014 16:46:02 GMT
I don't get this wrong sub. To me Assaidi is not as good a player and a waste of a loan. We needed guile to break down their back 10, which, like it or not, Marko did at times especially with some great link up play with Bojan and Muniesa - it's a pity his final ball was mostly poor but he was far from alone in that regard. The problem with Stoke fans is that all they want is the ball in the box at the earliest opportunity. Numerous times yesterday we were building up quite well, passing to make a clear opening but all I heard was idiots baying for the ball to be lumped in. When we did Burnley defended it easy. Bunter Adam coming on did the square root of fook all, bar infuriate Bojan because Charlie wouldn't pass to him. Spot on so many floated crosses which they defended with ease we were very predictable. I would have pushed Bojan further forward and told him to run at there defenders in the middle.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 23, 2014 16:46:32 GMT
If you've got quick players making darting movements in the final third, they're dragging defenders with them, opening up space for others.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:56:35 GMT
If you've got quick players making darting movements in the final third, they're dragging defenders with them, opening up space for others. But you're talking dragging players 5 yards out of position. When 10 of their players plus 8 of ours are crammed into the final third, there's just not enough space to 'drag' anyone anywhere. It's the reason that Chelsea sometimes, as good as they are, stumble past your Sunderland's 1-0, because they come up against two banks of four plus deep-dropping forwards. Using the logic that pace opens up space where there is none, Chelsea would be beating shit sides 4-0 every week. They sometimes do, but more often, they have to break down sides. Once you give a lesser team an impetus, like we've kept doing this year, you create yourself an even bigger problem than you may have already had. Burnley had already shown a willingness to waste time before they went 1-0 up. Once it was 2-0, we were shafted and after 20 mins, the writing was on the wall. For games like yesterday, if pace is your main threat, you may as well forgo pace for hard work and guile.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 23, 2014 17:02:17 GMT
Five yards can make all the difference. One yard can. All it takes is one. It can give you that one sight of goal you wouldn't otherwise have had.
The fact that we were so much worse after the changes underlines that. We totally ran out of ideas and were piss-easy to mark.
Pace isn't just useful on the counter.
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