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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 30, 2014 14:49:07 GMT
Accommodating Bojan in that line up yes! Feel Cameron offers more going forward as I haven't put a right sided winger in Shit, I was so focused on cameron I didn't realise you wanted Bojan as the DM, that has to be the most absurd line up I've ever seen, so you want a striker/attacking midfielder as the holding man, don't be silly Edit, Cameron offers nothing going forward apart from wasted cross after wasted cross. He offers much more than Bardsley going forward, more composed, at least his poor crosses beat the first man.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 14:52:48 GMT
Shit, I was so focused on cameron I didn't realise you wanted Bojan as the DM, that has to be the most absurd line up I've ever seen, so you want a striker/attacking midfielder as the holding man, don't be silly Edit, Cameron offers nothing going forward apart from wasted cross after wasted cross. He offers much more than Bardsley going forward, more composed, at least his poor crosses beat the first man. Disagree, Bardsley is a much better crosser of the ball, and much less wasteful.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 30, 2014 15:07:14 GMT
Accommodating Bojan in that line up yes! Feel Cameron offers more going forward as I haven't put a right sided winger in Shit, I was so focused on cameron I didn't realise you wanted Bojan as the DM, that has to be the most absurd line up I've ever seen, so you want a striker/attacking midfielder as the holding man, don't be silly Edit, Cameron offers nothing going forward apart from wasted cross after wasted cross. Bojan as my creative player from the back not "dm" at all, I believe in letting defenders do that, if you think its absurd where would you fit Bojan in? Because quite frankly he imo would be great setting up play from the back and would have more freedom to back up the strikers.cameron also puts in some amazing crosses, just a pity theres rarely a forward in the box to get on the end of them!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 15:11:02 GMT
Shit, I was so focused on cameron I didn't realise you wanted Bojan as the DM, that has to be the most absurd line up I've ever seen, so you want a striker/attacking midfielder as the holding man, don't be silly Edit, Cameron offers nothing going forward apart from wasted cross after wasted cross. Bojan as my creative player from the back not "dm" at all, I believe in letting defenders do that, if you think its absurd where would you fit Bojan in? Because quite frankly he imo would be great setting up play from the back and would have more freedom to back up the strikers.cameron also puts in some amazing crosses, just a pity theres rarely a forward in the box to get on the end of them! Defenders need protection regardless of how you play etc, you can't just let the oppo have a run at the back four when ever they want, see the first goal, that was down to our DM not doing his job, I'd be dropping Adam.
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Post by eriksson74 on Oct 30, 2014 15:19:22 GMT
He looked like he was trying to hard last night and forcing things, which by the looks of him have been and will again become second nature and natural to him. He needs a goal and though he was going to get it with that great little run insde Diouf second half but!!
He has great balance, vision, can read the game and not afraid to put himself aabout a bit, which suprised me, but think we will have a great player there if we can get the confidence which comes from game time right.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 15:22:47 GMT
He offers much more than Bardsley going forward, more composed, at least his poor crosses beat the first man. Disagree, Bardsley is a much better crosser of the ball, and much less wasteful. Agreed.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 15:43:20 GMT
He offers much more than Bardsley going forward, more composed, at least his poor crosses beat the first man. Disagree, Bardsley is a much better crosser of the ball, and much less wasteful. Totally disagree but after the last two games, I think Geoff should be kept to midfield. Yes he's been pulled out of position a few times but considering he's only played twice there this season give him a chance. His performance against Swansea proves he can do it.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 30, 2014 15:48:54 GMT
There is a Gem in there somewhere, we just need to polish it up,and hopefully end up with a little diamond on our hands.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 30, 2014 15:59:32 GMT
Bojan as my creative player from the back not "dm" at all, I believe in letting defenders do that, if you think its absurd where would you fit Bojan in? Because quite frankly he imo would be great setting up play from the back and would have more freedom to back up the strikers.cameron also puts in some amazing crosses, just a pity theres rarely a forward in the box to get on the end of them! Defenders need protection regardless of how you play etc, you can't just let the oppo have a run at the back four when ever they want, see the first goal, that was down to our DM not doing his job, I'd be dropping Adam. It's a football pitch FFS, they have at least three midfield players in front of them no matter what you want to call them, little wonder we score so few when supporters advocate playing "dm's"!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 16:03:00 GMT
Defenders need protection regardless of how you play etc, you can't just let the oppo have a run at the back four when ever they want, see the first goal, that was down to our DM not doing his job, I'd be dropping Adam. It's a football pitch FFS, they have at least three midfield players in front of them no matter what you want to call them, little wonder we score so few when supporters advocate playing "dm's"! Man City score plenty, they play with one, in fact every team does it. It's called tactics, you still need to stop the other team scoring, you can't just leave masses of space all over the place or they'll rip you apart, are you related to stokemanusa by any chance.
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Post by hoofmagic on Oct 30, 2014 16:06:25 GMT
well said, class player .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 30, 2014 17:08:22 GMT
Was he really booed off ? Watched on a stream so not clear - I thought he got applause. If he was booed it's a sad day for Stoke. Poor shooting which I had hoped would be a strength of his based on pre-season. Didn't think he was poor - quite encouraged with his contribution and hope he gets another chance. Quite a few boos around me and that was in the bloody west stand upper! That was the sound of snoring not booing. Evening kick offs are a nightmare in the John Smiths Care Home.
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2014 17:17:17 GMT
Quite a few boos around me and that was in the bloody west stand upper! That was the sound of snoring not booing. Evening kick offs are a nightmare in the John Smiths Care Home. Very few people applauded him off behind the dugouts. Same with Geoff. I thought they were both poor last night and we improved after they had been subbed.
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Post by coates on Oct 30, 2014 18:57:05 GMT
he clearly has the ability you don't do what he did at the age of 17 without some serious ability. maybe its a combination of low confidence, yet another league for him to adapt to ( a tough psychical league) and maybe not knowing his best position. if he ever got back to the way he was when he was at barca, he would be near our club.
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Post by enuntio on Oct 30, 2014 19:08:55 GMT
He needs more game time. He needs plenty of gym time WE HAVE TO HOPE THAT HE COMES GOOD
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 19:24:17 GMT
He was quite good. Think his shooting and that failed pass to Diouf when they were 2 on 1 let him down though. As for being shit at set pieces, he can join the rest of our squad in that respect. Definitely worth some more games, he was so fun to watch - especially when his turn did Southampton's entire midfield 3 in one move.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Oct 30, 2014 19:26:14 GMT
For those who go to watch training on a regular basis he is amazing too watch it's about transferring that to the pitch.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Oct 30, 2014 19:36:12 GMT
For those who go to watch training on a regular basis he is amazing too watch it's about transferring that to the pitch. This may be a naive question but are any training sessions open to the public? And how do Hughes and his team plan to transfer this form to the pitch?
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 30, 2014 20:07:16 GMT
I thought he was just starting to grow into the game when he has replaced. A few touches aside I thought he was awful first half and his decision making throughout close to goal was as poor as it gets. The timing of the substitution was odd but I suppose Hughes thought we needed someone on the pitch who could take a free-kick and Bojan's had been spectacularly bad.
The lad cleary has ability but so far he has made very little positive impact on the game in any of his appearances;I can't hink of a period he has spent on the pitch that we have won.
Hopefully we will get some points on board pretty quickly to give Hughes the breathing space to give him some game time.
I'm not sure he would be getting a place in the team if I was picking it at the moment.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 30, 2014 20:33:39 GMT
It's a football pitch FFS, they have at least three midfield players in front of them no matter what you want to call them, little wonder we score so few when supporters advocate playing "dm's"! Man City score plenty, they play with one, in fact every team does it. It's called tactics, you still need to stop the other team scoring, you can't just leave masses of space all over the place or they'll rip you apart, are you related to stokemanusa by any chance. Who is talking about leaving masses of space? All my suggestion is is that Bojan could create a lot more coming from deep better than anything we have in the side now, we have anyone of three dropping deep and imo he would be the one to be able to create and link up good build up play from the back!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 21:04:50 GMT
Man City score plenty, they play with one, in fact every team does it. It's called tactics, you still need to stop the other team scoring, you can't just leave masses of space all over the place or they'll rip you apart, are you related to stokemanusa by any chance. Who is talking about leaving masses of space? All my suggestion is is that Bojan could create a lot more coming from deep better than anything we have in the side now, we have anyone of three dropping deep and imo he would be the one to be able to create and link up good build up play from the back! No defensive midfielder = masses of space, see the first goal last night for what happens when you don't have one (or one not doing their job), I understand what you are trying to do, but the set up you have isn't the way.
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 21:15:34 GMT
Looks a complete spunk of money.
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Post by adamsson on Oct 30, 2014 21:27:03 GMT
Looks a complete spunk of money. A lot less than your hero spunked on Palacios or Kitson or Edu or Kightly or Shea or Arismendi or Tongue or Collins or
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 21:31:11 GMT
Looks a complete spunk of money. A lot less than your hero spunkked on Palacios or Kitson or Edu or Kightly or Shea or Arismendi or Tongue or Collins or Shawcross, Bego etc etc ........do carry on as I've yet to see a signing by Hughes take the bull by the horns yet.
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 30, 2014 21:45:29 GMT
I like Bojan and hope we persevere with him, In the midfield pecking order i would have him in front of the woeful Ireland
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 30, 2014 22:02:29 GMT
A lot less than your hero spunkked on Palacios or Kitson or Edu or Kightly or Shea or Arismendi or Tongue or Collins or Shawcross, Bego etc etc ........do carry on as I've yet to see a signing by Hughes take the bull by the horns yet. Odemwingie? Pieters maybe? Has Hughes spunked millions on any player he doesn't want to pick yet? Hughes achieved our best league finish in 40 years by getting more out of his squad than some people thought was possible. He must be a brilliant coach or a transfer genius 'cause he jumped us 4 Premier League places for less than a Palacios.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 22:05:08 GMT
Looks a complete spunk of money. A lot less than your hero spunked on Palacios or Kitson or Edu or Kightly or Shea or Arismendi or Tongue or Collins or Why does it matter what Pulis did, he's not here get the fuck past it.
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Post by lordb on Oct 30, 2014 22:17:22 GMT
Amazing divergence of views!
Let's not polarize things.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2014 23:43:30 GMT
Utterly wank in the first half. But just as he was growing into the game and looking really quite good and threatening he was hooked. I have no fucking idea what Hughes was thinking but it was a dreadful decision. In your opinion. I thought it was the right thing to do. He had ballsed up a couple of key opportunities (esp. when he was through on the right with him and Diouf v 1 defender) and his set piece deliveries were getting worse. His confidence was shot and it was the right time to pull him. The difference in set piece delivery when Adam came on was crucial and directly led to our equaliser. Dreadful my arse. His set pieces were shit but Adam still should have come on for Walters. He was getting in behind, harrying them and generally looking a busy, useful player. It was an awful decision.
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