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Post by bern on Oct 29, 2014 23:28:47 GMT
There were worse players on the pitch for us than Bojan tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 23:29:26 GMT
He clearly needs a prolonged run in the team to see where he's at . He plays with Premiership players day in day out , so he should be used to the speed of the game in general. We need to establish whether or not he's cut out for this league 'shit or bust'. I WOULD GIVE HIM THREE MORE GAMES BACK TO BACK.
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Post by 2004 on Oct 29, 2014 23:31:32 GMT
Looked up for it and got stuck in tonight which is better than his games earlier this season. Confidence is obviously low but this will improve.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 29, 2014 23:36:47 GMT
Some flashes and looked better at times with the physical side of the game but considering his reputation he did not seem able to take a corner , pick Diouf with a simple pass or take a decent chance so jury still out , he needs games and be allowed to sink or swim
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Post by southernstokie95 on Oct 29, 2014 23:59:50 GMT
Looked sharper today than in previous games, plain to see that the boy has talent but is majorly lacking in confidence but feel strongly that the only way that'll come is if he gets a decent run in the side. We've had a lack of goals this season so why not give him a few games on the run to see what he can really do/can cut it at this level
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Post by philm87 on Oct 30, 2014 0:03:20 GMT
Decent second half, just lacking a bit of confidence.
We need to stay behind him because if he comes good he will pay us back in spades. In terms of technical ability he is honestly on a different level to the rest of them, you just can't always see it right now because of the lack of confidence.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 30, 2014 0:07:58 GMT
I think he showed a lot of promise. He certainly has talent and I would persevere with him.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Oct 30, 2014 0:08:48 GMT
I didn't hear any booing when he came off?
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Post by strettonstokie on Oct 30, 2014 0:14:31 GMT
For someone whos probs played 120mins all season I thought he had a good game. Not quite match sharp but didnt do anything wrong. The lad needs games. Arnautovic was poor first half but mainly due to pieterz inability to pass the ball forward. Second half he was much better and showed how strong he was. Still cant see what walters offers he can run all day but got the technical ability of a pig!!!
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 30, 2014 0:17:21 GMT
Not the hero we hoped. Oh well move on. Quickly.
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hoopty
Youth Player
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Post by hoopty on Oct 30, 2014 0:23:01 GMT
He was unlucky to go off just when he was starting to find space and look dangerous.....BUT
...you have to say Charlie Adam coming on gave a more direct forceful approach and we looked better for the change.
We all want him to do well but we shouldn't blind ourselves. He's looking unable to stamp his undoubted skill on the game at the moment.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 0:33:42 GMT
I think Bojan, could be our playmaker, picking the ball up in deeper position, allowing Nzonzi to get higher up the pitch. Begovic Cameron. Shawcross. Wilson. Muniesa Bojan Nzonzi. Adam. Moses Diouf. Crouch You still want Cameron at RB after how well Bardsley has done?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 30, 2014 0:37:10 GMT
I don't know the ins and outs of the backrooom stuff. But bringing Bojan off was ridiculous. Cameron had a head knock and Adam/Sidwell as a replacement would have sufficed. Bojan was easing into it and all of his team mates looked to be enjoying his contribution. The double change knackered the head of steam we were building. We looked great in the second half and whilst a defeat is always shit. There was loads to be positive about in that performance for the diminutive Catalan. If it's an either/or between Ireland and Crzch {or whatever} no contest for me. Banjo every time.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 30, 2014 1:01:52 GMT
I didn't hear booing, just "Hurry up & get off", cause we had ltd time left...
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Post by redstriper on Oct 30, 2014 1:03:52 GMT
Hughes made a big mistake in taking him off when he was doing well. His passing and movement were great in the second half. Arnie contributed absolutely fuck all going forward - yet stayed on.
Go figure...
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Post by stokebloke on Oct 30, 2014 6:32:19 GMT
Fuckin wank
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 30, 2014 6:46:32 GMT
Flirted between ace and dreadful, with very little middle ground in between.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 7:26:46 GMT
I thought he looked OK. He was a rarity in actually looking like he gave a fuck in the first half.
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Post by fca47 on Oct 30, 2014 8:25:09 GMT
With Crouch out Saturday, I'd give him another go, we need to find out whether he can hack it or not.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 8:27:21 GMT
Got better as the game wore on but didn't exploit the opportunities he had and made some poor decisions in good situations.
Clearly has ability and can pick a pass.
Not sure where he fits in our formation however.
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Post by andylgr on Oct 30, 2014 8:47:42 GMT
He reminded me of a Silva type player, I think he would do better in a team that can dominate position and have a lot of space. I thought he struggled a bit with the physical side and I think when he had a good chance second half he anticipated getting clattered and just toe poked his shot towards goal
He looked bright in position, very quick and looks a clever player.
He had a couple of good opportunites to show us what he can do when he got into some good positions, but wasted them.
His corners were terrible too, but I wouldn't say he was the worst on the pitch. But I'd echo the thought that I'm not sure of his best position yet for us.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 30, 2014 9:20:34 GMT
Utterly wank in the first half. But just as he was growing into the game and looking really quite good and threatening he was hooked. I have no fucking idea what Hughes was thinking but it was a dreadful decision. In your opinion. I thought it was the right thing to do. He had ballsed up a couple of key opportunities (esp. when he was through on the right with him and Diouf v 1 defender) and his set piece deliveries were getting worse. His confidence was shot and it was the right time to pull him. The difference in set piece delivery when Adam came on was crucial and directly led to our equaliser. Dreadful my arse.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2014 9:27:30 GMT
I agree with Bayern. He got better as the game went on and I felt fairly confident he was going to bag a goal for himself. To be brought off when he was will not have helped his confidence.
His first touch is great and he is already moving the ball into a new position. Im not that worried about his size in the league. BUT he seems to be starting to be on the same wavelength as his team-mates.
I still prefer to see him up top in the penalty box and anticipating better. Hes not a number 10. We should play him like a Michael Owen
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Post by Pedropotter on Oct 30, 2014 9:31:46 GMT
Pretty disappointing to be honest. He needs game time to prove he can do a job but we can't afford passengers. I think a short term loam to a top Championship club would do him the word of good.
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Post by adamsson on Oct 30, 2014 10:19:04 GMT
Given how Bojan started at Barcelona he has the potential to be the best player ever to play for Stoke. Including Alan Hudson and even Sir Stan. People were talking about him being as good as Messi and you do not lose ability between 17 and 24, what do lose is confidence and concentration, form as it is called. Being pushed into the side too early and then dropped too harshly at Barca will have been the start, then moving to four different countries and five clubs in three years when still a young man has got to be unsettling.
We now have a chance, do we stick with him, give him time and games to rebuild his confidence in the hope that he recover the form that made him break Raul's record for most goals in a debut season or do we "Fook 'im off on loan" to some hopeless lower league club to get lumps kicked out him.
It may be that his early promise cannot be realised but when you look at the cost and the possible benefits it has got to be worth trying.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 30, 2014 10:21:43 GMT
I think Bojan, could be our playmaker, picking the ball up in deeper position, allowing Nzonzi to get higher up the pitch. Begovic Cameron. Shawcross. Wilson. Muniesa Bojan Nzonzi. Adam. Moses Diouf. Crouch You still want Cameron at RB after how well Bardsley has done? Accommodating Bojan in that line up yes! Feel Cameron offers more going forward as I haven't put a right sided winger in
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Post by strettonstokie on Oct 30, 2014 10:23:10 GMT
Given how Bojan started at Barcelona he has the potential to be the best player ever to play for Stoke. Including Alan Hudson and even Sir Stan. People were talking about him being as good as Messi and you do lose ability between 17 and 24, what do lose is confidence and concentration, form as it is called. Being pushed into the side too early and then dropped too harshly at Barca will have been the start, then moving to four different countries and five clubs in three years when still a young man has got to be unsettling. We now have a chance, do we stick with him, give him time and games to rebuild his confidence in the hope that he recover the form that made him break Raul's record for most goals in a debut season or do we "Fook 'im off on loan" to some hopeless lower league club to get lumps kicked out him. It may be that his early promise cannot be realised but when you look at the cost and the possible benefits it has got to be worth trying. At last some sense on the oatcake!!!!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 30, 2014 10:26:25 GMT
Pretty disappointing to be honest. He needs game time to prove he can do a job but we can't afford passengers. I think a short term loam to a top Championship club would do him the word of good. I think sending him out on loan to the championship is potentially the worse thing we could do. He needs to be playing games for us and while we are still finding the right blend of personal up front he should be given the opportunity to make his case.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 30, 2014 10:29:42 GMT
I was hopping mad at substituting him just as he was making things work.
OS.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 14:29:30 GMT
You still want Cameron at RB after how well Bardsley has done? Accommodating Bojan in that line up yes! Feel Cameron offers more going forward as I haven't put a right sided winger in Shit, I was so focused on cameron I didn't realise you wanted Bojan as the DM, that has to be the most absurd line up I've ever seen, so you want a striker/attacking midfielder as the holding man, don't be silly Edit, Cameron offers nothing going forward apart from wasted cross after wasted cross.
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