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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 21:51:45 GMT
Yes, he does make some mistakes which prove to be costly
But today for long periods in the first half, he was the best of a bad bunch.
But that is splitting hairs
Last season, at the end, we were still pretty crap in defence, going behind to a goal more times than not
The difference was, we looked like and did score
But the issues were there, masked by a clicking front line
This season so far, the same defensive issues remain and it is a collective, with our full backs getting done pretty much some period in every game, the goalkeeper having a slow start and even our captain looking indecisive on more than one occasion
Now our front line looks like they do not know each other - Crouch is so often isolated like early last season; Arnie looks like he did this time last season = very indifferent to the club with no desire; Moses just gets knackered and can not score; Diouf looks promising, but apart from one wonderful goal, so far flatters to deceive
Our midfield continue to play statues, no matter who we put in there - Adam is yet again so hit and miss (but at least he hits sometimes). Fonz just does what he does, which is not enough going forward. Cameron - it is too early but today all three did not, yet again. seem to know in the first half who should sit and who should go
Yet again, we can not string 2 halves together - same as last season One half is nearly always tepid walking football
Sure Wilson has a part to play in this, but come on, the whole team right now needs a bit of a soul search, as does the manager with the same tactics that got us nowhere this time last season - if it is predictable to us, it must be for other managers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:53:39 GMT
I've noticed summat hanging around Wilson as well! What is it?
EDIT: All can be explained - it's his beard!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:57:15 GMT
We look so disjointed,disorganised and clueless it makes you wonder what they do on the training ground all week.
A strong centre back pairing would go a long way to improving that.....and Wilson is not the answer.He's not a good centre half,he's not a good midfielder and he's only an adequate right back.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:58:36 GMT
He was costing us goals last season, he's costing us goals this. People who cost us goals need fucking off.
There are other issues and goalscoring is one of them, no one is denying but that's a much harder thing to solve than the Wilson issue. That's dead easy to solve.
Both need solving or I think we'll struggle badly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:58:59 GMT
We look so disjointed,disorganised and clueless it makes you wonder what they do on the training ground all week. A strong centre back pairing would go a long way to improving that.....and Wilson is not the answer.He's not a good centre half,he's not a good midfielder and he's only an adequate right back. He does have a very good beard though? |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:00:13 GMT
We look so disjointed,disorganised and clueless it makes you wonder what they do on the training ground all week. A strong centre back pairing would go a long way to improving that.....and Wilson is not the answer.He's not a good centre half,he's not a good midfielder and he's only an adequate right back. Not sure - he has shown he can do it, and to make him the scapegoat is wrong I believe. Today for a lot of the first half, he was in my eyes actually the best of a bad bunch. Ryan looked shaky and both fullbacks were run ragged and positionally were all over the place |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:02:33 GMT
He was costing us goals last season, he's costing us goals this. People who cost us goals need fucking off. There are other issues and goalscoring is one of them, no one is denying but that's a much harder thing to solve than the Wilson issue. That's dead easy to solve. Both need solving or I think we'll struggle badly. Bayern - he was the best of a bad bunch at the back today - even with his poor header We may disagree on the problem, but we do agree on we are struggling at both ends and Sparky seems to do nowt to change it at either end |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:02:51 GMT
We look so disjointed,disorganised and clueless it makes you wonder what they do on the training ground all week. A strong centre back pairing would go a long way to improving that.....and Wilson is not the answer.He's not a good centre half,he's not a good midfielder and he's only an adequate right back. Not sure - he has shown he can do it, and to make him the scapegoat is wrong I believe. Today for a lot of the first half, he was in my eyes actually the best of a bad bunch. Ryan looked shaky and both fullbacks were run ragged and positionally were all over the place That's Wilson though, he did it last season, he'd look cracking for 89 minutes and then give the opposition a massive chance. That for me is utterly shite defending. We cannot afford to have someone like that in the side who's mistakes keep costing goals and they do! It's not scapegoatism, most of the goals this season have on common denominator. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:03:51 GMT
He was costing us goals last season, he's costing us goals this. People who cost us goals need fucking off. There are other issues and goalscoring is one of them, no one is denying but that's a much harder thing to solve than the Wilson issue. That's dead easy to solve. Both need solving or I think we'll struggle badly. Bayern - he was the best of a bad bunch at the back today - even with his poor header We may disagree on the problem, but we do agree on we are struggling at both ends and Sparky seems to do nowt to change it at either end The mistake undermines it all. It undermines the whole team. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:06:52 GMT
Not sure - he has shown he can do it, and to make him the scapegoat is wrong I believe. Today for a lot of the first half, he was in my eyes actually the best of a bad bunch. Ryan looked shaky and both fullbacks were run ragged and positionally were all over the place That's Wilson though, he did it last season, he'd look cracking for 89 minutes and then give the opposition a massive chance. That for me is utterly shite defending. We cannot afford to have someone like that in the side who's mistakes keep costing goals and they do! It's not scapegoatism, most of the goals this season have on common denominator. You do have a bit of thing for him though fella  Still for me seems to distract from an awful lot of others underperforming and tactics that leave a lot to be desired Walters again starting, leaving us lob sided - Arnie coming on and looking like he could not give a shit |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:09:12 GMT
Bayern - he was the best of a bad bunch at the back today - even with his poor header We may disagree on the problem, but we do agree on we are struggling at both ends and Sparky seems to do nowt to change it at either end The mistake undermines it all. It undermines the whole team. Yes, but if they had their shooting boots on, they could have been out of sight and none of those mistakes were down to Wilson - not defending him, just highlighting it is more than just him at the back - I repeat our fullbacks got done so many times, first half and our front line may as well taken the day off along with our midfield |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:10:54 GMT
That's Wilson though, he did it last season, he'd look cracking for 89 minutes and then give the opposition a massive chance. That for me is utterly shite defending. We cannot afford to have someone like that in the side who's mistakes keep costing goals and they do! It's not scapegoatism, most of the goals this season have on common denominator. You do have a bit of thing for him though fella Still for me seems to distract from an awful lot of others underperforming and tactics that leave a lot to be desired Walters again starting, leaving us lob sided - Arnie coming on and looking like he could not give a shit The same thing I had for Danny Collins...... This is all too similar, with the same defence going on of Wilson that used to go on for Collins. It's laughable in fact. It's all wank, I've had a right good rant on Twitter about Walters, I think we're going to struggle this season Suffolk, you're preaching to the choir me owd! But I do think Wilson is a massive part of why we will. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:11:54 GMT
The mistake undermines it all. It undermines the whole team. Yes, but if they had their shooting boots on, they could have been out of sight and none of those mistakes were down to Wilson - not defending him, just highlighting it is more than just him at the back - I repeat our fullbacks got done so many times, first half and our front line may as well taken the day off along with our midfield If my Brother had a fanny he'd be my sister. They didn't and we should have nicked an undeserved point that could be very useful come the end of the season. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:15:39 GMT
You do have a bit of thing for him though fella Still for me seems to distract from an awful lot of others underperforming and tactics that leave a lot to be desired Walters again starting, leaving us lob sided - Arnie coming on and looking like he could not give a shit The same thing I had for Danny Collins...... This is all too similar, with the same defence going on of Wilson that used to go on for Collins. It's laughable in fact. It's all wank, I've had a right good rant on Twitter about Walters, I think we're going to struggle this season Suffolk, you're preaching to the choir me owd! But I do think Wilson is a massive part of why we will. Ok- Wilson maybe, but I think there are others - Bards is so in and out of form, as is Eric and even Ryan - oh sod it - the whole team are so up and down right now, it is hard to work out which team will turn up - actually, that is bollocks. Apart from Man City, we have not put a 100% in I sadly think we are in for a very tough season, so agree with you I am now in the 'we should not go down' as opposed to 'we will not go down' camp Walters starting - give me a break |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:17:12 GMT
Yes, but if they had their shooting boots on, they could have been out of sight and none of those mistakes were down to Wilson - not defending him, just highlighting it is more than just him at the back - I repeat our fullbacks got done so many times, first half and our front line may as well taken the day off along with our midfield If my Brother had a fanny he'd be my sister. They didn't and we should have nicked an undeserved point that could be very useful come the end of the season. WE did not look like nicking a point at all - could have played all night - that has bugga all to do with our defence |
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 22:19:44 GMT
I've been holding onto Joeleon's mobile number for hughes to call this last window. I still stick by that statement. We need a first team quality CB badly. Wilson is not a CB and never will be in the PL at a high level, he's a Left wing fullback disguised as a CB for his passing abilities to the midfield. He just doesn't know it and sadly neither does leslie. I'd rather have Muniesa or Geoff at CB he's costing us a goal a game nearly. After looking at the Official Opta post match stats' Bardsley and Cameron where statistically in their positions versus Southampton our best players today. Not bad for two shite RB's eh?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:19:52 GMT
The same thing I had for Danny Collins...... This is all too similar, with the same defence going on of Wilson that used to go on for Collins. It's laughable in fact. It's all wank, I've had a right good rant on Twitter about Walters, I think we're going to struggle this season Suffolk, you're preaching to the choir me owd! But I do think Wilson is a massive part of why we will. Ok- Wilson maybe, but I think there are others - Bards is so in and out of form, as is Eric and even Ryan - oh sod it - the whole team are so up and down right now, it is hard to work out which team will turn up - actually, that is bollocks. Apart from Man City, we have not put a 100% in I sadly think we are in for a very tough season, so agree with you I am now in the 'we should not go down' as opposed to 'we will not go down' camp Walters starting - give me a break I don't think we'll go down based on the shitness of at least 5 others in the league and that's the only reason. I'm proper worried about this season, we look awful and I've been saying that from the off. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:20:22 GMT
If my Brother had a fanny he'd be my sister. They didn't and we should have nicked an undeserved point that could be very useful come the end of the season. WE did not look like nicking a point at all - could have played all night - that has bugga all to do with our defence I never said we did but if Wilson heads that ball 20 yards, the point is nicked! |
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 25, 2014 22:21:20 GMT
Wilson was installed as a stop gap defender following Huth's injury. He has done well but seems to make a mistake that costs us every now and again
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:22:30 GMT
WE did not look like nicking a point at all - could have played all night - that has bugga all to do with our defence I never said we did but if Wilson heads that ball 20 yards, the point is nicked! Agree to disagree - we got away with so much today, so to single out that header and the lack of follow up defensive support from others is glossing over a much wider issue |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:24:13 GMT
I never said we did but if Wilson heads that ball 20 yards, the point is nicked! Agree to disagree - we got away with so much today, so to single out that header and the lack of follow up defensive support from others is glossing over a much wider issue We could have got away with more if it wasn't for that pesky Wilson.  |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:24:13 GMT
Wilson was installed as a stop gap defender following Huth's injury. He has done well but seems to make a mistake that costs us every now and again Yes but the rest of the team were limp wristed as hell today Bloody hell, our new era is relaying on defence only - sod the crap front line We were shit all over the park today |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:25:30 GMT
Wilson was installed as a stop gap defender following Huth's injury. He has done well but seems to make a mistake that costs us every now and again Yes but the rest of the team were limp wristed as hell today Bloody hell, our new era is relaying on defence only - sod the crap front line We were shit all over the park today Nobody disagrees with that though.  |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:25:42 GMT
Agree to disagree - we got away with so much today, so to single out that header and the lack of follow up defensive support from others is glossing over a much wider issue We could have got it away with more if it wasn't for that pesky Wilson. You always struck me more of a Scrappy Doo rather than a Scooby - he was an evil sod in the end |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:26:31 GMT
Yes but the rest of the team were limp wristed as hell today Bloody hell, our new era is relaying on defence only - sod the crap front line We were shit all over the park today Nobody disagrees with that though. Oh I think you will find someone does  |
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Post by jackcity on Oct 26, 2014 2:58:02 GMT
Don't think it's Wilson who is getting the shit from Sky sports news and the rest today Actually heard it mentioned today that Shawcross and Huth have got away with holding players all last year too every team no they do it Wilson is the only one that can defend properly and the only one who gets shit from Stoke supporters tAke a good look people
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Post by NassauDave on Oct 26, 2014 3:51:52 GMT
If we ever looked like a threat up front, the odd error at the back would go completely unnoticed.
We rarely ever look like scoring......
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 26, 2014 7:21:26 GMT
Not sure - he has shown he can do it, and to make him the scapegoat is wrong I believe. Today for a lot of the first half, he was in my eyes actually the best of a bad bunch. Ryan looked shaky and both fullbacks were run ragged and positionally were all over the place That's Wilson though, he did it last season, he'd look cracking for 89 minutes and then give the opposition a massive chance. That for me is utterly shite defending. We cannot afford to have someone like that in the side who's mistakes keep costing goals and they do! It's not scapegoatism, most of the goals this season have on common denominator. But even the best defenders do make mistakes. When Southampton nearly (and should have) scored in the first few minutes it was down to an error from Shawcross, but nobody mentions that. Some of the goals Wilson gets blamed for his was not the primary fault. When you bang on about one individual's errors and ignore others then that very much IS scapegoatism |
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Post by slother on Oct 26, 2014 7:31:56 GMT
I don't want to attack Wilson really, he seems a decent bloke. But how in the hell is he preferable to Robert Huth - unless the surgery didn't work and the German now has a wooden leg under his tracksuit?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2014 10:32:39 GMT
That's Wilson though, he did it last season, he'd look cracking for 89 minutes and then give the opposition a massive chance. That for me is utterly shite defending. We cannot afford to have someone like that in the side who's mistakes keep costing goals and they do! It's not scapegoatism, most of the goals this season have on common denominator. But even the best defenders do make mistakes. When Southampton nearly (and should have) scored in the first few minutes it was down to an error from Shawcross, but nobody mentions that. Some of the goals Wilson gets blamed for his was not the primary fault. When you bang on about one individual's errors and ignore others then that very much IS scapegoatism Nobody is saying they don't but Wilson makes one every game that leads to either a goal or an easy chance being missed. That's not normal! If Shawcross' errors start costing us then I will bang on about them but he has money in the bank and they don't. Wilson has no money in the bank (I thought he was a calamity last season too) and his mistakes cost us. There's no such thing as scapegoatism. Why? The scapegoat is usually the worst player in a side, here we are..... And in general he may not be the worst but his errors make him such. I said in May of this year that if he starts 10 league games we will struggle, here we are struggling.  |
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